[Video] Northern Irish anti-terrorism ad 1993

coinop

Anyone else remember this ad? I'm noticing a lot of youngsters who weren't around during the Troubles swallowing the commie kool-aid from Sinn Fein. Like Leo says, they're not a normal party. We can't go back.

Oh look, this again #47532.

coinop

Apologies, I didn't realise this video had been posted on these Boards before. Can you link me to the other threads?

biko

The video is new, the SF bashing is old.

uch

biko wrote: »

The video is new, the SF bashing is old.

Nah Ad is an old one, seen it in the 90's but agree it is a SF basher, no mention of the left footers doing the same

coinop

uch wrote: »

Nah Ad is an old one, seen it in the 90's but agree it is a SF basher, no mention of the left footers doing the same

Are you a subscriber to Trump's "both sides" argument?

Hangdogroad

TBH the scene where where patrons of a bar are randomly gunned down looks more like the work of Loyalists.

The Bishop Basher

coinop wrote: »

Like Leo says, they're not a normal party.

Thankfully Leo doesn’t get to decide that. The electorate do.

What’s your point ?

Quantum Erasure

Hard to believe it's over 25 years ago,
25 years before that the troubles hadn't even started...

Greyfox

OP I actually thanked your post and then unthanked it when I read your comment. A strong contender for the best ad ever and such a superb song. I remember the ad from childhood.

As it happens it's because of people like you that I'm going to vote for SF in future, I think the SF bashing club on boards are are bunch of clowns. It's the SF bashers that are living in the past and endlessly waffling about stuff that's not relevant to our economy.

Zebra3

I haven't looked at the video, but I'll guess it doesn't mention RUC/British Army being balls deep in terrorism.

landofthetree

IRA IRA plant a bomb and runaway.

The Kop sang this 23 years ago after grand national bombing attempt

Feisar

I remember the ad. The IRA were a necessary evil IMO.

It's SF's holier than thou shtick that annoys me.

banie01

@OP When does the political arm of any revolutionary movement become politically acceptable?

If a political party is born of revolutionary or freedom movement armed groups and in the course of building a peace that movement commits to peace?
When does that party then become part of the establishment?

In the case of northern politics, is it not hypocritical to expect Unionists to cooperate with SF in Stormont?
Whilst the Civil War successor parties here treat them as pariahs in our Dail?

JohnnyFlash

banie01 wrote: »

@OP When does the political arm of any revolutionary movement become politically acceptable?

If a political party is born of revolutionary or freedom movement armed groups and in the course of building a peace that movement commits to peace?
When does that party then become part of the establishment?

In the case of northern politics, is it not hypocritical to expect Unionists to cooperate with SF in Stormont?
Whilst the Civil War successor parties here treat them as pariahs in our Dail?

When they stop singing songs about and glorifying a group that blew up innocent people, shot people dead based on their religion, and murdered members of the Gardaí. When they start to call the Republic by its proper title. When they stop putting forward psychopaths like Dessie Ellis to run for the Dáil.

Northern Ireland is an economic, social and political basket case. Anything that goes on up there is due to circumstances.

Zebra3

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

When they stop singing songs about and glorifying a group that blew up innocent people, shot people dead based on their religion, and murdered members of the Gardaí. When they start to call the Republic by its proper title. When they stop putting forward psychopaths like Dessie Ellis to run for the Dáil.

Northern Ireland is an economic, social and political basket case. Anything that goes on up there is due to circumstances.

And yet we have FFFG and the likes of Labour having no issue with the US using Ireland to commit war crimes.

JohnnyFlash

Zebra3 wrote: »

And yet we have FFFG and the likes of Labour having no issue with the US using Ireland to commit war crimes.

Look over there! It’s a bird!

facehugger99

Greyfox wrote: »

As it happens it's because of people like you that I'm going to vote for SF in future,

Randomers on social-media are your primary consideration when considering who to vote for?

It certainly makes a mockery of those who believe SF are party for weak-minded fools.

Zebra3

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Look over there! It’s a bird!

No, it's a plane of the USAF about to drop a bomb on innocent civilians which is fine with FFFG.

banie01

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

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Northern Ireland is an economic, social and political basket case. Anything that goes on up there is due to circumstances.

"Circumstances" are never going to allow for an all island solution then are they?

If we can't afford Republicans a place at the political table down here?
What chance do Unionists have of ever feeling involved and acknowledged in our political process...

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

"Circumstances" are never going to allow for an all island solution then are they?

If we can't afford Republicans a place at the political table down here?
What chance do Unionists have of ever feeling involved and acknowledged in our political process...

Hopefully they never are involved or acknowledged.

The Bishop Basher

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Hopefully they never are involved or acknowledged.

Ok, so you don’t believe in democracy.

What’s your alternative ?

Just ignore the electorate that you disagree with ?

TheValeyard

I think its a great ad. Very powerful. Think it gets the message across. Song really suits it.

Greyfox

facehugger99 wrote: »

Randomers on social-media are your primary consideration when considering who to vote for?

It certainly makes a mockery of those who believe SF are party for weak-minded fools.

Their not my primary reason but their part of a bigger problem. In the recent election I wanted FF/FG to tell me why voting for them would be good for me but they just kept on bringing up SF's past rather than deal with how they will help the economy. The SF bashing is getting in the way of debating more important issues

CrankyHaus

Great Ad. Found it harrowing at the time.

Bit stupid as a platform for bashing SF, Loyalists or anyone really because the whole point of the Ad was to demonstrate the self-perpetuating cycle of Northern Irish violence, to the detriment of all involved.

The Ad very deliberately doesn't make it clear whether the Father is Republican or Loyalist.

Your Face

Mr Bean - terrorist scum.

banie01

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Hopefully they never are involved or acknowledged.

Attitudes like this will ensure they will never feel like they can be.

So much for parity of esteem...

maccored

if you take your view of the north from an advert .... says a lot

seamus

The saddest thing here is that an ad campaign that was set up with specifically non-sectarian intent to appeal to both sides to stop fighting, is now being used 30 years later to stoke up sectarian tension against one of those sides.

I have my own views on the unsuitability of Sinn Féin for government, but this is very poor form OP.

Aside, I remember this ad very clearly. It seems really weird to think how normalised this ad was. They used to show it in the middle of the day, in the middle of children's cartoons.

I wonder what anyone under 30 thinks about this ad? It must seem surreal that it exists at all.

EmmetSpiceland

seamus wrote: »

The saddest thing here is that an ad campaign that was set up with specifically non-sectarian intent to appeal to both sides.

They had one to “combat” young people smoking too.

Didn’t have much of an “impact” down here as the we didn’t use the word “tube” as an insult.

CrankyHaus

maccored wrote: »

if you take your view of the north from an advert .... says a lot

Is it any worse than people taking their view on the North from the particular Sectarian echo chamber they grew up in, the songs their uncle's sing when they've had too much to drink, the family myths that can never be challenged, the sash their father wore so to speak?



What do you take your view of the North from?

end of the road

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

When they stop singing songs about and glorifying a group that blew up innocent people, shot people dead based on their religion, and murdered members of the Gardaí. When they start to call the Republic by its proper title. When they stop putting forward psychopaths like Dessie Ellis to run for the Dáil.

Northern Ireland is an economic, social and political basket case. Anything that goes on up there is due to circumstances.

sf call the republic by it's proper title.
people will not stop singing songs that celebrate where the irish state came from and how it came into being.
Dessie did his time and is entitled to run the same as anyone else.
northern ireland's issues are down to partition, simple as, + britain keeping it's eye off the ball and leaving it to rot before the whole lot boiled over, which it was always going to do thanks to partition.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Randomers on social-media are your primary consideration when considering who to vote for?

It certainly makes a mockery of those who believe SF are party for weak-minded fools.

the people who believe sf is a party for weak minded fools are the ones making a mockery of themselves, at their own hands, especially since the election result.
i have no doubt sf will be in government eventually, it's only a matter of time and when, not if.

oh the times they are a changing.

The Bishop Basher

The Bishop Basher wrote: »

Ok, so you don’t believe in democracy.

What’s your alternative ?

Just ignore the electorate that you disagree with ?

No. Don’t incorporate unionists into our country. It’s not all that long since we forced them out.

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

Attitudes like this will ensure they will never feel like they can be.

So much for parity of esteem...

They have their country though and more power to them. They have no place in ours.

The Bishop Basher

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They have their country though and more power to them. They have no place in ours.

You are no better then the worst of the sectarians in the north on either side.

We need to leave people like you behind and SF will be part of that process.

dotsman

Greyfox wrote: »

As it happens it's because of people like you that I'm going to vote for SF in future, I think the SF bashing club on boards are are bunch of clowns. It's the SF bashers that are living in the past and endlessly waffling about stuff that's not relevant to our economy.

Really, you're going to use your democratic right to vote to vote for a party just because other people don't like them???

And why is it you see only the SF bashing? Are you oblivious to the constant FG, FF, Labour, Greens bashing (going on a lot longer than SF bashing)? I would say boards (as a whole) hates all the political parties equally )

For your sake, I urge you to relax, clear your mind, then sit down and have a big think about the logic here.