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    #32
    amdublin
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    That's a good question. Does the aunt want to involve the police?


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    #33
    beauf
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    Andhonest wrote: »
    ...The stress is unreal. Is this a crime? Is it theft?

    Why mention a will, no one died.

    So this was never anyone elses money other than aunts. She is free to give it away to a stranger on the street.

    If vast amounts of money were spent there should be signs of what it was spent on. If nothing else the tax man would take an interest if someone seems to be able to spend a lot more money than they earn.


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    #34
    Andhonest
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    amdublin wrote: »
    The aunt needs to go to the guards

    How did she withdraw a terrifying amount in cash btw??

    I don't know how. It will be up to her to go or not. Her decision.


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    #35
    Andhonest
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    beauf wrote: »
    Why mention a will, no one died.

    So this was never anyone elses money other than aunts. She is free to give it away to a stranger on the street.

    If vast amounts of money were spent there should be signs of what it was spent on. If nothing else the tax man would take an interest if someone seems to be able to spend a lot more money than they earn.

    She entrused the niece to divide it up. That was her instruction. It is not disputed that she could give it to who she wanted. The point is that it was NOT given to who she wanted.


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    #36
    splinter65
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    Andhonest wrote: »
    She entrused the niece to divide it up. That was her instruction. It is not disputed that she could give it to who she wanted. The point is that it was NOT given to who she wanted.

    That is all hearsay.


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    #37
    Peregrinus
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    Andhonest wrote: »
    She entrused the niece to divide it up. That was her instruction. It is not disputed that she could give it to who she wanted. The point is that it was NOT given to who she wanted.
    When you say "she entrusted the niece to divide it up", do you mean the neice had no judgment to make or discretion to exercise; she was just to divide the money into five (or whatever) equal shares and distribute it? Or was she asking the niece to make some judgment about who needed how much money and to divide it out "fairly", in response to people's various needs and circumstances?


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    #38
    longgonesilver
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    If the aunt is over 65, this sounds like a serious case of financial elder abuse. The HSE have dedicated units to investigate these matters and deal with them sensitively and appropriately.

    The most important thing here might not be the money but the safety and well-being of the aunt into the future.


    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/4/olderpeople/elderabuse/protect-yourself/safeguarprotectteams.html

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/4/olderpeople/carersrelatives/protecting-older-people-from-abuse.html#contact


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    #39
    Andhonest
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    That is all hearsay.

    The aunt is still alive. These are her words on the matter as of a week ago. It would be hearsay if she were deceased.


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    #40
    Andhonest
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    When you say "she entrusted the niece to divide it up", do you mean the neice had no judgment to make or discretion to exercise; she was just to divide the money into five (or whatever) equal shares and distribute it? Or was she asking the niece to make some judgment about who needed how much money and to divide it out "fairly", in response to people's various needs and circumstances?

    She was asked to split it evenly and just give it to them.


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    #41
    amdublin
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    Op, I kind of feel like it's not really any of your business and the aunt would not like to know you are sharing her private business for discussion with strangers.

    It is the business of you aunt. And maybe your wife. They need to go to the guards if they think a crime has been committed.


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    #42
    Peregrinus
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    On the facts given, the person who is wronged here is the aunt. We are told in the OP that she is of sound mind, so there is no question of anyone having the right to step in and defend on her behalf interests which she is unable to defend herself.

    If she doesn't want to do anything about this, the matter is at an end. She has changed her mind. She no longer wishes to give her money to her other nieces; she is happy for the niece who got it - to whom she gave it, in fact - to keep it. There is nothing the other nieces can do about this because they had no right to the money in the first place.


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    #43
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Andhonest wrote: »
    The aunt is still alive. These are her words on the matter as of a week ago. It would be hearsay if she were deceased.

    What precisely does the aunt want to happen regarding the matter from here on?


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