Super speed sticks

golfguy1

Anyone use these?
If so what have results been?

Look really interesting and seriously thinking of buying.

ShivasIrons

Go for them, one of the best ways to increase swing speed. Easy protocols to follow too.

golfguy1

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Go for them, one of the best ways to increase swing speed. Easy protocols to follow too.

Ya looks very straight forward to increase speed.
I bought them anyway should be here tomorrow.
Looking forward to seeing increased distance with the driver hopefully

Corkey123

Got a link?

BigChap1759

Does technique not play a huge part in how fast you can swing a club - would be slightly dubious on these used in isolation without some coaching etc?

golfguy1

Corkey123 wrote: »

Got a link?

www.superspeedgolf.co.uk

golfguy1

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Does technique not play a huge part in how fast you can swing a club - would be slightly dubious on these used in isolation without some coaching etc?

Seemingly not. Obviously good technique can only help but these sticks can improve speed of all swings

willabur

Pretty sure they do mention the importance of maintaining technique with the acquired speed.

I would say to get full benefit of the training you would need to have some sort of measuring device to track your improvements and gameify it a bit for yourself.

I wonder what the impact is on the shorter element of the game? Does a faster swing at wedge level of club translate to better results?

golfguy1

willabur wrote: »

Pretty sure they do mention the importance of maintaining technique with the acquired speed.

I would say to get full benefit of the training you would need to have some sort of measuring device to track your improvements and gameify it a bit for yourself.

I wonder what the impact is on the shorter element of the game? Does a faster swing at wedge level of club translate to better results?

From speaking with trainers/golf pros I believe it will in the 6-12 week term increase swing speed which should hopefully increase distance across all my clubs.
No benefit to shorter clubs really but extra distance off tee wouldn't go astray.
I will update (my numbers) maybe weekly if I can

spacecoyote

I have them, and had gotten through about 8 weeks of the protocols before the things shut down. Now stuck with apartment living, so don't have space to make a full swing, so they're put away for the moment.

@BigChap, the focus with them is not about technique really it's about, in essence, normalising the speed. So you are swinging way above your normal controlled swing and it is basically tricking your brain in to thinking that faster is the new norm.

You should, absolutely be working on your technique separately with a pro, but this is purely about speed, not technique.

First time I measured, which was about week 4, as I didnt have a monitor, I hit about 116. The highest speed I'd gotten up to with the lightest stick, when I'd finished up was, I think 122-123mph. Cant remember the exact calculation, but I think that equated to roughly a driver swing speed of somewhere in the high 90s.

I was in the low 90s when I was fit for my current driver originally, so was around about a 4-5 mph gain I think.

Was hard to gauge the benefit playing winter golf in bad conditions unfortunately

RoadRunner

Is this something that's likely to cause injury?

RoadRunner

I don't get this one. Maybe I swing too hard already :rolleyes:

golfguy1

RoadRunner wrote: »

Is this something that's likely to cause injury?

Have been warned to do a stretch/warm up before each session.

golfguy1

RoadRunner wrote: »

I don't get this one. Maybe I swing too hard already :rolleyes:

Don't know of anyone with too much swing speed to be honest?

spacecoyote

golfguy1 wrote: »

Have been warned to do a stretch/warm up before each session.

I was doing it at the same time as a strength and mobility plan. Used to match up my superspeed sessions with the mobility days, so that made sure I was well stretched out before doing the protocols.

ctlsleh

How are these different to the orange whip, or the cheaper Vgeby golf swing trainer........?

golfguy1

ctlsleh wrote: »

How are these different to the orange whip, or the cheaper Vgeby golf swing trainer........?

The speed sticks are a training aid to increase swing speed only. They are no benefit for ur technique.
Many tour pros are using them most notably Phil Michelson

prawnsambo

golfguy1 wrote: »

The speed sticks are a training aid to increase swing speed only. They are no benefit for ur technique.
Many tour pros are using them most notably Phil Michelson

Phil (tee off and then decide what golf course you're playing) Mickelson? Not sure it's speed he needs.

kod12

Is the best place to get the on their own website?

what radar have people used before. The blue swing speed radar seems to be the most popular

spacecoyote

kod12 wrote: »

Is the best place to get the on their own website?

what radar have people used before. The blue swing speed radar seems to be the most popular

I think, generally, yes, though their site. There are a lot of other sites that offer discount codes for the sticks. Practical Golf definitely used to have one.

As far as I know, they do offer a deal to do a combo of the sticks + that blue radar on their own site, which could be better value.

There are other companies that do imitations of the sticks, likely cheaper, so it might be worth taking a look around online

I didnt buy a radar at the time, but subsequently bought the SwingCaddie SC200+

Strictly speaking it's a launch monitor, but the "+" model also includes a swing speed mode, so it picks up the sticks without hitting a ball.

I picked that up on a deal where they were charging the same price for the model I bought that they were charging their older models

spacecoyote

golfguy1 wrote: »

The speed sticks are a training aid to increase swing speed only. They are no benefit for ur technique.
Many tour pros are using them most notably Phil Michelson

Pretty sure that Superspeed are claiming to have around 650 touring pros using their kit

thecomedian

I bought the Swing Speed golf over the winter but I was in the middle of lessons and I didn’t want to start until I was happy with my swing.
I got them in McGuirks for about 130 I think.
They should be the same as Superspeed.

RoadRunner

Superspeed would be much better than swingspeed, the later one doesn't have the word "super" in it at all which would make me concerned about whether the results would be top tier.

Okay, I'm Pi$$taking.. but I'm really struggling to understand the value here. Seriously if there's some benefit to your golf game by swinging faster then you swing your clubs can you just take a broom-handle and send it or turn your golfclub the other way around and swing the light part. Or why not swing a roll of bogroll real fast? :rolleyes:

thecomedian

You can make them up, just put different sets of weights on the end of a shaft.
It can be done using washers etc.

There’s not much difference between them 109g,150g and 200g. A few different exercises and that’s it.

From what I read they do work.

ShivasIrons

RoadRunner wrote: »

Superspeed would be much better than swingspeed, the later one doesn't have the word "super" in it at all which would make me concerned about whether the results would be top tier.

Okay, I'm Pi$$taking.. but I'm really struggling to understand the value here. Seriously if there's some benefit to your golf game by swinging faster then you swing your clubs can you just take a broom-handle and send it or turn your golfclub the other way around and swing the light part. Or why not swing a roll of bogroll real fast? :rolleyes:

The biggest correlation to how low your handicap is, is how fast you swing a club. Golfers with faster clubhead speeds are more likely to be lower handicaps.

The super speed system works on specific weights. If the club is too light or too heavy it effects technique negatively. That is why swinging a broomstick or a club upside down wouldn’t be that effective.

The super speed system is one of the best ways if not the best way to increase speed and increased speed with everyone else staying the same means lower scores.

GreeBo

ShivasIrons wrote: »

The biggest correlation to how low your handicap is, is how fast you swing a club. Golfers with faster clubhead speeds are more likely to be lower handicaps.

I think you have that backwards.

Golfers with low handicaps are more likely to have faster clubhead speeds, which is a very different statement to what you said. Cause and effect.

They can swing faster *because* they are better golfers, they are not better golfers because they swing faster.

RoadRunner

GreeBo wrote: »

They can swing faster *because* they are better golfers, they are not better golfers because they swing faster.

Got something good there boy.. ? :rolleyes: :pac:

RoadRunner

He's not doing anyone any harm guys.

GreeBo

RoadRunner wrote: »

Got something good there boy.. ? :rolleyes: :pac:

This one I reckon is because you simply dont understand my post.

Here is another example,
Wealthy people spend a lot of money.
Spending a lot of money doesn't make you wealthy.

Now replace wealth with "low handicap" and spending a lot of money with "swing fast".
Geddit now?

It was brought up earlier, but swing speed is a function of your swing, its not just trying harder.

RoadRunner wrote: »

He's not doing anyone any harm guys.

This one however I have no idea. Can you elaborate?

ShivasIrons

GreeBo wrote: »

I think you have that backwards.

Golfers with low handicaps are more likely to have faster clubhead speeds, which is a very different statement to what you said. Cause and effect.

They can swing faster *because* they are better golfers, they are not better golfers because they swing faster.

You are incorrect, the biggest limiting factor in how good a golfer can become is how fast they can swing a club. The further someone can hit it, the better they can become. There are no golfers swinging at 90mph on the PGA Tour, there aren't even any swinging at 100mph.



They can become better golfers because they swing the club fast but just because they can swing the club fast doesn't mean they will become better golfers.

xgronkjabv6pcl

RoadRunner wrote: »

He's not doing anyone any harm guys.

Nobody but himself; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15712503/

"In conclusion, this study has shown that club head speed is a valid indicator of performance in golfers and may therefore be a useful performance measure"

Obviously correlation does not mean causation in general but there is enough research to suggest higher swing speeds is a "cause" of lower handicaps.

RoadRunner

Ramona Bewildered Throat wrote: »

Nobody but himself

^ Cop on. He's digging. Successfully again. You're feeding it. The modus operandi is now fools will dance around in circles on the semantics of a dumb statement for the next 5 pages. Then someone will start doing the multiquote every word said thing. Be the better person

GreeBo

ShivasIrons wrote: »

You are incorrect, the biggest limiting factor in how good a golfer can become is how fast they can swing a club. The further someone can hit it, the better they can become. There are no golfers swinging at 90mph on the PGA Tour, there aren't even any swinging at 100mph.



They can become better golfers because they swing the club fast but just because they can swing the club fast doesn't mean they will become better golfers.

Your last sentence pretty much agrees with my post, so I'm not sure why you are saying Im incorrect.
The fastest swinging golfers are not the best in the world or anywhere close.

xgronkjabv6pcl

In order to gain power in any capacity whether that's sprinting, jumping or a golf swing you're effectively applying plyometric principles. Maximum force in short intervals in order to increase power. That is what the drills appear to me to promote.

Increasing power in any of those areas is very difficult and becomes exponentially more difficult as we age. High level athletes generally lose explosiveness in their late 20s.

That's not to say one cannot increase their swing speed but I think before one goes down this route they need to ask themselves have they exhausted all other avenues.

Things like; is their technique as good as it could be; is their smash factor in around the 1.5 range approaching optimal; are they as physically fit as they could be.

If the answers to those questions are pretty much yes, then perhaps it's something to look at but the incremental gain may be relatively small for the work required.

The goal is an increase in ball speed, so perhaps you can get there by other means than an increased swing speed.

ShivasIrons

GreeBo wrote: »

Your last sentence pretty much agrees with my post, so I'm not sure why you are saying Im incorrect.
The fastest swinging golfers are not the best in the world or anywhere close.

What you said is 'They can swing faster *because* they are better golfers, they are not better golfers because they swing faster.'


That is incorrect.


Golfers can become better golfers if they have fast swings, they don't get better and then start swinging faster.


All the best players in the world are fast swingers, the biggest correlation to success on the PGA Tour is how far you hit the ball

newport2

Ramona Bewildered Throat wrote: »

In order to gain power in any capacity whether that's sprinting, jumping or a golf swing you're effectively applying plyometric principles. Maximum force in short intervals in order to increase power. That is what the drills appear to me to promote.

Increasing power in any of those areas is very difficult and becomes exponentially more difficult as we age. High level athletes generally lose explosiveness in their late 20s.

That's not to say one cannot increase their swing speed but I think before one goes down this route they need to ask themselves have they exhausted all other avenues.

Things like; is their technique as good as it could be; is their smash factor in around the 1.5 range approaching optimal; are they as physically fit as they could be.

If the answers to those questions are pretty much yes, then perhaps it's something to look at but the incremental gain may be relatively small for the work required.

The goal is an increase in ball speed, so perhaps you can get there by other means than an increased swing speed.

I got them last September and have used them several times a week. I've gained 5-6 mph in my driver clubhead speed by putting in 15 mins 3 times a week. So that's about 15 yards I've gained from very little effort and I've gone over 100mph average for the first time (I'm in my 40's)

Harrington has done some good videos recently on Twitter regarding clubhead speed. One of the points he made is that if you have never done any training to increase your clubhead speed specifically, then it's very easy to gain speed with a reasonably small effort. I hadn't trained in this area before I did this, so I guess if I had it may have been harder to make as much progress.

I take your point about exhausting other avenues, but changing technique is a lot harder to do than this and requires a lot more commitment and perseverance. This is something anyone can do on their own without leaving their house. That said, I think quality of ball-striking is a lot more important than clubhead speed.

willabur

newport2 wrote: »

I got them last September and have used them several times a week since then. I've gained 5-6 mph in my driver clubhead speed by putting in 15 mins 3 times a week. So that's about 15 yards I've gained from very little effort and I've gone over 100mph average for the first time (I'm in my 40's), the most I ever was when I was younger was about 98.

Harrington has done some good videos recently on Twitter regarding clubhead speed. One of the points he made is that if you have never done any training to increase your clubhead speed specifically, then it's very easy to gain speed with a reasonably small effort. I hadn't trained in this area before I did this, so I guess if I had it may have been harder to make as much progress.

I take your point about exhausting other avenues, but using speed sticks can be done seperately or concurrently with changing your swing, so you don't have to try everything else first. Changing technique is a lot harder to do than this and requires a lot more commitment and perseverance. This is something anyone can do on their own without leaving their house. That said, I think quality of ball-striking is a lot more important than clubhead speed.

What, if any impact was there to your game from 130 yards an in? Short Irons, Wedges etc

newport2

willabur wrote: »

What, if any impact was there to your game from 130 yards an in? Short Irons, Wedges etc

None really. On the full shots with irons I've gained almost a club, but haven't noticed any change once I'm inside that and hitting half-shots, etc. It happened very gradually I guess, not all of a sudden like a swing change.

That was a great side to it, it's the first time I've done anything to change my swing that wasn't detrimental in the short term to my game and that I didn't have to try and bring to the course. It just followed me there.

xgronkjabv6pcl

newport2 wrote: »

I got them last September and have used them several times a week since then. I've gained 5-6 mph in my driver clubhead speed by putting in 15 mins 3 times a week. So that's about 15 yards I've gained from very little effort and I've gone over 100mph average for the first time (I'm in my 40's), the most I ever was when I was younger was about 98.

Harrington has done some good videos recently on Twitter regarding clubhead speed. One of the points he made is that if you have never done any training to increase your clubhead speed specifically, then it's very easy to gain speed with a reasonably small effort. I hadn't trained in this area before I did this, so I guess if I had it may have been harder to make as much progress.

I take your point about exhausting other avenues, but using speed sticks can be done seperately or concurrently with changing your swing, so you don't have to try everything else first. Changing technique is a lot harder to do than this and requires a lot more commitment and perseverance. This is something anyone can do on their own without leaving their house. That said, I think quality of ball-striking is a lot more important than clubhead speed.

That's a great increase, 40 is relatively young , it's harder to gain speed after the late 20s as most athletes lose theirs across the board but obviously possible.

As you said, a newbie to that type of training will undoubtedly get some incremental gains. I guess it's a case of where you are as a golfer. I get the impression -correct if I'm wrong- that you're a decent golfer, middling single digit handicapper perhaps.

At that range, you're probably at a diminishing returns situation with technique where you are better served perhaps getting distance.

For someone like me in the low-mid double digits, the additional speed may be less beneficial.

I think your point regarding the concurrent nature of the programme with lessons etc is very true.

Is this something you plan to keep up as a means of maintaining the additional speed?

newport2

Ramona Bewildered Throat wrote: »

That's a great increase, 40 is relatively young , it's harder to gain speed after the late 20s as most athletes lose theirs across the board but obviously possible.

As you said, a newbie to that type of training will undoubtedly get some incremental gains. I guess it's a case of where you are as a golfer. I get the impression -correct if I'm wrong- that you're a decent golfer, middling single digit handicapper perhaps.

At that range, you're probably at a diminishing returns situation with technique where you are better served perhaps getting distance.

For someone like me in the low-mid double digits, the additional speed may be less beneficial.

I think your point regarding the concurrent nature of the programme with lessons etc is very true.

Is this something you plan to keep up as a means of maintaining the additional speed?

Off 6. I felt distance was holding me back somewhat, in that a lot of the guys I play with who are in the 2-10 range would hit it a lot longer. To the extent that I'm hitting a 7 into the green and they are hitting a wedge. I felt that this was putting me at a big disadvantage. Before the lockdown, I was hitting probably a 9 iron on the same hole I would have been hitting a 7 a year ago, due to the half club + driver distance. So that should make a big difference to me. Even confidence wise it does, which surprised me a bit.

I will definitely keep it up with the sticks, although I don't mind if I don't gain any more speed. I've read if you don't keep doing it you will start to lose the speed again.

GreeBo

ShivasIrons wrote: »

What you said is 'They can swing faster *because* they are better golfers, they are not better golfers because they swing faster.'


That is incorrect.

Its not though.
The ability to swing fast isnt what makes them better golfers. If it was then the long drive guys would be the best golfers in the world.

Golfers can become better golfers if they have fast swings, they don't get better and then start swinging faster.

Part of "getting better" is being able to swing faster, due to technique.
If your sequence is wrong then all the swing speed in the world isnt going to help you, it would probably hurt you in fact. (=> Phil Mickelson this/last season)

Or to put it another way "they gont get faster and then start getting better".

All the best players in the world are fast swingers, the biggest correlation to success on the PGA Tour is how far you hit the ball

Distance and swing speed have smash factor as arguably the most important part of the equation. If you are not maximizing your smash factor then just swinging faster is useless. In fact its worse than useless as most people lower their smash factor (and hence ball speed and distance) when they swing faster.

The PGA tour is full of people who can mix smash factor with swing speed.
Either without the other is no use to a golfer.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that for 99.9% of golfers, increasing swing speed is not going to be the most efficient way to lower your scores.

If people want to buy it, then fine, but in my opinion there are much better exercises (TPI has lots of info) that you should be doing to improve your golf fitness and even that should only be part of working with someone who knows what they (and hence you!) are doing.

xgronkjabv6pcl

newport2 wrote: »

Off 6. I felt distance was holding me back somewhat, in that a lot of the guys I play with who are in the 2-10 range would hit it a lot longer. To the extent that I'm hitting a 7 into the green and they are hitting a wedge. I felt that this was putting me at a big disadvantage. Before the lockdown, I was hitting probably a 9 iron on the same hole I would have been hitting a 7 a year ago, due to the half club + driver distance. So that should make a big difference to me. Even confidence wise it does, which surprised me a bit.

I will definitely keep it up with the sticks, although I don't mind if I don't gain any more speed. I've read if you don't keep doing it you will start to lose the speed again.

That's my thinking too, it's a maintenance thing. I think a 5% increase in any element of your game is a great bump.

Judging on what you have said, you're probably the ideal candidate for them.

Perhaps in 5 years time if I make it down near the single digit range I'll consider them but for now I have far bigger issues to address.

kod12

What radar did you get with yours? on the website they have 2 packages with with a radar attached at a reduced rate. Just wondering which is more accurate/value to use or can they be got separate at a better rate somewhere else. Thanks

https://www.superspeedgolf.co.uk/collections/all-products/products/bundle-deal-training-set-prgr-radar

https://www.superspeedgolf.co.uk/collections/all-products/products/bundle-deal

GreeBo

kod12 wrote: »

What radar did you get with yours? on the website they have 2 packages with with a radar attached at a reduced rate. Just wondering which is more accurate/value to use or can they be got separate at a better rate somewhere else. Thanks

https://www.superspeedgolf.co.uk/collections/all-products/products/bundle-deal-training-set-prgr-radar

https://www.superspeedgolf.co.uk/collections/all-products/products/bundle-deal

You can get swing speed radars on ebay for ~€60 delivered.
(You can also get the same model for €150+ for some reason!)
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Supido-Multi-Sports-Personal-Speed-Radar-Precision-Training-Instrument/324133916501?hash=item4b77e30f55:g:sWMAAOSw7RJek1jM

kod12

Cheers for that

newport2

kod12 wrote: »

What radar did you get with yours? on the website they have 2 packages with with a radar attached at a reduced rate. Just wondering which is more accurate/value to use or can they be got separate at a better rate somewhere else. Thanks

https://www.superspeedgolf.co.uk/collections/all-products/products/bundle-deal-training-set-prgr-radar

https://www.superspeedgolf.co.uk/collections/all-products/products/bundle-deal

The one I have is like the second one, had it from years ago. Like Greebo said, you can get them cheap, so I would purchase them seperately from the sticks. I think this is my exact one

https://www.bratyk.xyz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=167

I've done it on Trackman as well and it's in and around the same. The important thing is to have something to benchmark yourself against. There's no way I would have kept it up if I wasn't able to track progress of some sort.

kod12

newport2 wrote: »

The one I have is like the second one, had it from years ago. Like Greebo said, you can get them cheap, so I would purchase them seperately from the sticks. I think this is my exact one

https://www.bratyk.xyz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=167

I've done it on Trackman as well and it's in and around the same. The important thing is to have something to benchmark yourself against. There's no way I would have kept it up if I wasn't able to track progress of some sort.

Perfect thats a good deal there on that site. Cheers

thecomedian

newport2 wrote: »

The one I have is like the second one, had it from years ago. Like Greebo said, you can get them cheap, so I would purchase them seperately from the sticks. I think this is my exact one

https://www.bratyk.xyz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=167

I've done it on Trackman as well and it's in and around the same. The important thing is to have something to benchmark yourself against. There's no way I would have kept it up if I wasn't able to track progress of some sort.

Just be very careful on that site. It’s only a few weeks old and I can’t find any reviews on it.
That item is very cheap on it.
It could be fine but just be careful.

newport2

thecomedian wrote: »

Just be very careful on that site. It’s only a few weeks old and I can’t find any reviews on it.
That item is very cheap on it.
It could be fine but just be careful.

Ye, good point. Never used it, just googled it

GreeBo

newport2 wrote: »

Ye, good point. Never used it, just googled it

I read a few of their FAQ and other links... Wouldn't touch that site with your money!

The_Kew_Tour

Anyone use these and seen improvement in length over the Summer? I’m going work on getting fitter and more flexible during winter but wondering are any worth purchasing based on results you got.