#ibelieveher part II

jimmyrustle

I remember a few weeks ago this story coming out about the singer Duffy (of whom I know little to nothing about, I was abroad when she blew up) and thinking it sounded, at best, a bit far fetched. A further explanation of it only gets murkier. Particularly seeing as the original post was deleted.

It was my birthday, I was drugged at a restaurant, I was drugged then for four weeks and travelled to a foreign country. I can’t remember getting on the plane and came round in the back of a travelling vehicle. I was put into a hotel room and the perpetrator returned and raped me. I remember the pain and trying to stay conscious in the room after it happened. I was stuck with him for another day, he didn’t look at me, I was to walk behind him, I was somewhat conscious and withdrawn. I could have been disposed of by him. I contemplated running away to the neighbouring city or town, as he slept, but had no cash and I was afraid he would call the police on me, for running away, and maybe they would track me down as a missing person. I do not know how I had the strength to endure those days, I did feel the presence of something that helped me stay alive. I flew back with him, I stayed calm and as normal as someone could in a situation like that, and when I got home, I sat, dazed, like a zombie. I knew my life was in immediate danger, he made veiled confessions of wanting to kill me. With what little strength I had, my instinct was to then run, to run and find somewhere to live that he could not find.

The perpetrator drugged me in my own home in the four weeks, I do not know if he raped me there during that time, I only remember coming round in the car in the foreign country and the escape that would happen by me fleeing in the days following that. I do not know why I was not drugged overseas; it leads me to think I was given a class A drug and he could not travel with it.

Now, whether you believe her or not is a personal opinion.

Do I believe that a famous artiste was drugged and kidnapped from her own birthday party, guided through an airport (handy that she had brought her passport to the party) all the way to a rural foreign hotel, brought her back to Britain and held her hostage in her own home for an additional four weeks? Without her management, her agent, her family raising the alarm? (the amount of commitments an active recording artist would be expected to keep in a month- recording sessions, interviews, meetings, gigs, would be phenomenal, her label would be banging down the door to find her). And with no mention of having sought a prosecution against this man and any accomplices?

Of course I don't believe all that. You would want to be born yesterday. Did she go through some sort of traumatic event? Maybe. But the exaggeration doesn't help anyone's cause.

Yet check out the loons commenting on it here.

https://www.thejournal.ie/duffy-rape-ordeal-instagram-5067316-Apr2020/

Let's be honest, say a renowned loon like, I dunno, Gemma O'Doherty, dreamt up that one. How many of the #ibelieveher crowd would row behind?

There is a certain subsection of our society that has decided that in no way, shape or form can we doubt the story of a woman, that there is something sick in the mindset of someone who would do so. And that a woman who doubts another woman is the lowest creature on earth.

With nutjobs like this floating around it makes you wonder if rape trials should be conducted by a special criminal court style judicial panel rather than a jury. Imagine being falsely accused of rape and having, say, a PBP activist on your jury.

EmmetSpiceland

Stay classy, OP.

Poor Uncle Tom

I saw the geogrid this morning, just over the horizon and only for a split second, but I saw it......

jimmyrustle

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Stay classy, OP.

See, this here.

It is a story that, at the very least, is blatantly full of holes.

It would be unbelievable enough for a regular citizen to go missing for a month without a family member or an employer raising an alarm.

But a recording artist?

You might be on the wrong side of an accusation one day and remember your comment Emmet.

Sonic_exyouth

jimmyrustle wrote: »

I remember a few weeks ago this story coming out about the singer Duffy (of whom I know little to nothing about, I was abroad when she blew up) and thinking it sounded, at best, a bit far fetched. A further explanation of it only gets murkier. Particularly seeing as the original post was deleted.



Now, whether you believe her or not is a personal opinion.

Do I believe that a famous artiste was drugged and kidnapped from her own birthday party, guided through an airport (handy that she had brought her passport to the party)

Have not read the rest of this - but - this bit
I can let you know that in general, high profile musicians who tour a lot do not keep their own passports. They are handed over to management or tour management, for safe keeping, because they are too essential to be allowed go missing.
Members are handed them going through passport control, then quickly relieved of them.

magic_murph

Reading the comments on the Journal, for any story, is horrific.
Troll after troll after troll.

jimmyrustle

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

Have not read the rest of this - but - this bit
I can let you know that in general, high profile musicians who tour a lot do not keep their own passports. They are handed over to management or tour management, for safe keeping, because they are too essential to be allowed go missing.
Members are handed them going through passport control, then quickly relieved of them.

So either blatantly didn't happen or was committed by a member of her entourage.

Why a member of her entourage would bring her through an airport, saturated in CCTC, incapacitated, for a few days, then return her to her home in the UK for a month of captivity, when he could have skipped the foreign part and went straight to this. It gets even stranger.

jimmyrustle

magic_murph wrote: »

Reading the comments on the Journal, for any story, is horrific.
Troll after troll after troll.

It's a shame they got rid of up/ down voting.

CrankyHaus

She isn't under any obligation to provide a comprehensive and complete account just so random internet posters are convinced of her story.

It's a very strange story, so far, but I think most people recognise that she's suffered severe trama and putting her on strict proof at this stage doesn't help.

In time a clearer picture may emerge. In the interim I wish her all the best.

One eyed Jack

jimmyrustle wrote: »

With nutjobs like this floating around it makes you wonder if rape trials should be conducted by a special criminal court style judicial panel rather than a jury.

It doesn’t make me wonder any such thing tbh. Nutjobs with a particular agenda of their own have existed in all societies throughout human history.

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Imagine being falsely accused of rape and having, say, a PBP activist on your jury.

Just because one person makes up shìt, doesn’t give you a license to go making up shìt of your own, especially if you’re going to criticise anyone else for doing so.

jimmyrustle

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It doesn’t make me wonder any such thing tbh. Nutjobs with a particular agenda of their own have existed in all societies throughout human history.





Just because one person makes up shìt, doesn’t give you a license to go making up shìt of your own, especially if you’re going to criticise anyone else for doing so.

You can't seriously be suggesting anybody who thinks an account of a rape should never be questioned should be allowed sit on a jury.

One eyed Jack

jimmyrustle wrote: »

You can't seriously be suggesting anybody who thinks an account of a rape should never be questioned should be allowed sit on a jury.

I can. It’s no different to your suggestion that they shouldn’t. The whole point of a jury trial is that the accused is tried by a jury of their peers - ordinary members of the public, with all their own prejudices and biases. Of course one can ask them to put their prejudices aside and judge the accused in each case on the basis of the evidence before them, but that’s an idealistic notion rather than anything grounded in reality.

I dont see any reason for her to lie?

Seems to have completly fcuked her up to extent she withdrew for a decade



Quite how someone could come to.conclusion such a person is an attention seeker is beyond me,

Would it been alot handier for her to appear on one those reality shows for attention??

jimmyrustle

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite how someone could come to.conclusion such a person is an attention seeker is beyond me,

Because of the improbably pointless logistics of it all.

Why whisk her abroad, with all the risk of that, when the offender seemingly had easy access to her home.

Where the hell were her friends, family and, most glaringly, record label/ agents when she was being held captive for a month heavily sedated?

Would it been alot handier for her to appear on one those reality shows for attention??

In the metoo era, this washes better.

CageWager

Were the lads who took her wearing MAGA hats?

One eyed Jack

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Because of the improbably pointless logistics of it all.

Why whisk her abroad, with all the risk of that, when the offender seemingly had easy access to her home.

Where the hell were her friends, family and, most glaringly, record label/ agents when she was being held captive for a month heavily sedated?

In the metoo era, this washes better.

It does sound remarkably similar, one could almost say her story was inspired by an earlier allegation of abduction that made the headlines in international media -

Chloe Ayling kidnapper sentenced to 16 years in prison

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Were her family or friends not looking for her over the 4 weeks she disappeared from the country? How long do you have to be missing before it becomes a matter for the police? - assuming it is reported I guess.

jimmyrustle

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Were her family or friends not looking for her over the 4 weeks she disappeared from the country? How long do you have to be missing before it becomes a matter for the police? - assuming it is reported I guess.

Police will generally search for a person reported missing immediately if the family or friends insist they may be at risk.

There's an old urban legend about waiting 24 hours to report which is just that, nonsense.

jimmyrustle

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It does sound remarkably similar, one could almost say her story was inspired by an earlier allegation of abduction that made the headlines in international media -

Chloe Ayling kidnapper sentenced to 16 years in prison

Another nonsense case that never would have seen trial in this country.

El_Duderino 09

CrankyHaus wrote: »

She isn't under any obligation to provide a comprehensive and complete account just so random internet posters are convinced of her story.

It's a very strange story, so far, but I think most people recognise that she's suffered severe trama and putting her on strict proof at this stage doesn't help.

In time a clearer picture may emerge. In the interim I wish her all the best.

Isn't this exactly the point? She's under no obligation to say anything to convince some online Columbo who thinks they've found the flaws in the story so it must not be true.

I've no idea if it's true or not. But I think it says a lot about you when you read a story and look for ways to disprove it. I, on the other hand, acknowledge that I don't know one way or the other (and will almost certainly never know one way or the other) but I'd at least show a bit of compassion.

If you read that account and compassion doesn't even enter into your mind, then there's something wrong with you.

Hangdogroad

Might it have been someone she was in a relationship with?

jimmyrustle

[QUOTE=El_Duderino 09;113074511

I've no idea if it's true or not. But I think it says a lot about you when you read a story and look for ways to disprove it. I, on the other hand, acknowledge that I don't know one way or the other (and will almost certainly never know one way or the other) but I'd at least show a bit of compassion. [/quote]

In today's world it pays to be naturally skeptical about anything and everything.

I remember during the election, a AAA or PBP member complained about an election poster being burned in Kilbarrack.

They had the video of said burning.

The fire brigade were called.

Now, one has to ask themselves, what are the chances of a member of said political party happening upon the scene of a hung up poster on fire, and getting out the camera fast enough to record it, but not happening across the perpetrator of the fire.

On your typical blustery February, a fire like that would struggle to catch, unless helped by an accelerant, which would burn it up in no time.

Either way, the perpetrator won't be far away.

Why would you even call the fire brigade over something like this? The electricity pole is more than capable of resisting a small bit of burning corriboard.

If you read that account and compassion doesn't even enter into your mind, then there's something wrong with you.

If you read something that far fetched and take it at face value I've some second hand face masks to sell you. If you want to share a story, fine. but don't share half a story, as it makes one look disingenuous to anyone with more than half a brain.

conorhal

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Isn't this exactly the point? She's under no obligation to say anything to convince some online Columbo who thinks they've found the flaws in the story so it must not be true.

Well then perhaps don't post about it on social media where you'll invite that speculation and engagement?


This story sound like the delusional and disordered thinking of a paranoid schizophrenic. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next you hear about this case is a statement from family that she's 'unwell' and under a Brittany Spears like conservatorship.

El_Duderino 09

jimmyrustle wrote: »

In today's world it pays to be naturally skeptical about anything and everything.
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If you read something that far fetched and take it at face value I've some second hand face masks to sell you. If you want to share a story, fine. but don't share half a story, as it makes one look disingenuous to anyone with more than half a brain.

No idea what the poster story brought to the conversation. But to address the rest of your post I'll refer you to the very first line of the post you quoted. "I've no idea if it's true or not". That was me showing scepticism.

You also quoted me saying " I, on the other hand, acknowledge that I don't know one way or the other (and will almost certainly never know one way or the other)". That was me showing humility enough to not pretend I can figure out what happened and what didn't happen, based on naff all evidence.

And if you're honest, you'll acknowledge you have naff all evidence. All the evidence you have put together, is naff all.

So I presume you understand how daft your comment about me taking the story at face value was. If not, I've a second hand face mask to sell you. - Hint, the first line of the post you quoted.

SEPT 23 1989

Did her family or management report her missing?

jimmyrustle

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did her family or management report her missing?

That's the thing. A private citizen would have trouble going off grid for a month. An active recording artist, with all the commitments that entails, forget it.

El_Duderino 09

conorhal wrote: »

Well then perhaps don't post about it on social media where you'll invite that speculation and engagement?


This story sound like the delusional and disordered thinking of a paranoid schizophrenic. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next you hear about this case is a statement from family that she's 'unwell' and under a Brittany Spears like conservatorship.

Maybe that will be the next thing we hear. I don't know. But I cringe when I see people do amateur psychiatry. It undermines your case when you do it.

El_Duderino 09

Crazy Times wrote: »

If the story was believable people would have nothing but sympathy and compassion for her.

LOL. Totally disagree. The people who fancy themselves to be online Columbos, would take exactly the same position - pretending they know what happened.

Their position would be completely consistent, as would mine. I wouldn't pretend to know what happened just because of one person's story.

B.A._Baracus

Only my two cents but I think it never happened.

BattleCorp

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Might it have been someone she was in a relationship with?

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did her family or management report her missing?

There's no way a stranger could have done this if it indeed did happen as described.

It would have to be a someone close to the singer; a relation, someone she was in a relationship with or someone who was part of her entourage. Otherwise there would have been people looking for her.

Her relations, friends, colleagues etc. mightn't be concerned if she 'took a month long break' with someone she knew well.

Quantum Erasure

conorhal wrote: »

Well then perhaps don't post about it on social media where you'll invite that speculation and engagement?


This story sound like the delusional and disordered thinking of a paranoid schizophrenic. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next you hear about this case is a statement from family that she's 'unwell' and under a Brittany Spears like conservatorship.

That's what I thought reading the OP, she maybe needed to be sedated for her own protection

bitofabind

conorhal wrote: »

This story sound like the delusional and disordered thinking of a paranoid schizophrenic. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next you hear about this case is a statement from family that she's 'unwell' and under a Brittany Spears like conservatorship.

I think speculation like this is unhelpful, but what struck me when reading her essay was that she seems like someone who has significant mental health issues. Similar to the kind of thing you'd see from Sinead O'Connor when she was going through her darker days over the years.

It was just so rambling, directionless and incoherent in parts. This is clearly a troubled woman, and maybe all of this is a result of severe trauma, or maybe she's having some sort of episode, perhaps it's even both.

Rape victims are seldom believed and always torn apart on the details, which will often be sparse due to the nature of these crimes. That is a huge factor in both the trauma - many victims often report that the lack of belief is another trauma to them - and the lack of reporting around these crimes, so personally I wouldn't go down that route either because I don't want to be part of a wider problem.

I do hope she rolls back on this media engagement though and gets the right help and intervention from the specific people that can provide it.

One eyed Jack

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you read that account and compassion doesn't even enter into your mind, then there's something wrong with you.

There’s nothing wrong with anyone who doesn’t express compassion but rather expresses disbelief at such an incredulous tale. I expressed an opinion in the other thread that given the way she was portraying her story, I wouldn’t be surprised if she went on to claim she had been abducted by aliens, so incredible was her tale already. I wasn’t that far off - she had been spirited out of the country at least, by plane, and no idea apparently how she escaped or arrived home?

If anyone were to believe such a fantastical account of events, and take it on face value without question, I’d suggest they were a bit gullible. That in itself isn’t completely harmless as it encourages the next person to go one better again in order to court the sympathy of their peers, which is why it ended up being the case that people were unable to take claims made on social media seriously.

Nobody is under any obligation to believe anything simply because of the circumstances involved, much less express compassion and sympathy when they do not feel either compassion or sympathy for someone who they believe is telling a rather far-fetched tale of misfortune.

El_Duderino 09

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If anyone were to believe such a fantastical account of events, and take it on face value without question, I’d suggest they were a bit gullible. That in itself isn’t completely harmless as it encourages the next person to go one better again in order to court the sympathy of their peers, which is why it ended up being the case that people were unable to take claims made on social media seriously.

Nobody is under any obligation to believe anything simply because of the circumstances involved, much less express compassion and sympathy when they do not feel either compassion or sympathy for someone who they believe is telling a rather far-fetched tale of misfortune.

Sure. If someone believed they knew what happened based solely on one story, would be gullible. If you think I've done that then be free to quote where I've done it.

On the other hand to pretend you know what's happened based on a single story, would be gullible and I think a lot of posters have decided that it isn't true. And I think diagnosing her with mental illness and psychiatric disorders (which has happened in plenty of posts including some I've quoted) is a sign of gullibility. Believing you can diagnose someone from such little evidence, is a sure sign they don't have a clue.

I don't know what happened - and that's the most honest sentence you'll see in this thread

One eyed Jack

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure. If someone believed they knew what happened based solely on one story, would be gullible. If you think I've done that then be free to quote where I've done it.

On the other hand to pretend you know what's happened based on a single story, would be gullible and I think a lot of posters have decided that it isn't true. And I think diagnosing her with mental illness and psychiatric disorders (which has happened in plenty of posts including the one I'm quoting) is a sign of gullibility. Believing you can diagnose someone from such little evidence, is a sure sign they don't have a clue.

I don't know what happened - and that's the most honest sentence you'll see in this thread

That’s all well and good, but the only part of your previous post I actually cared to disagree with was this bit -

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you read that account and compassion doesn't even enter into your mind, then there's something wrong with you.

I’m being equally honest when I point out that there is nothing wrong with someone who reads a fantastic story and doesn’t feel any compassion for the person telling the story.

I don’t think anyone was actually offering a medical diagnosis, they were suggesting that based upon the evidence presented, she most likely has issues with her mental health, and given what she claims happened to her, it wouldn’t be unusual to arrive at that conclusion.

I don’t think anyone has claimed to know for certain what did or didn’t happen, but the point the original poster is making is a valid one - that there are a small group of people attempting to condemn people who do not automatically believe a person who claims to have been drugged, kidnapped and raped, as though there is something wrong with suggesting a person would lie about something like that.

We know that people do lie, and there is the classic moral tale of the boy who cried wolf. The circumstances in this case are a classic example of the phenomenon, with more holes in the story than a Swiss cheese, so many in fact in the latest update that even her previous defenders would find it difficult to suggest she should automatically be believed now.

The issue isn’t whether anyone does or doesn’t automatically believe her, the issue is that small group of people who suggest that anyone who makes such claims, they should automatically be believed. There is no reason anyone is automatically entitled to be believed, and there is no obligation on anyone to believe them. It doesn’t say anything one way or the other about people who don’t automatically believe what sounds like complete rubbish.

BattleCorp

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don't know what happened - and that's the most honest sentence you'll see in this thread

None of us know for sure what happened but there is nothing wrong in questioning something that seems implausible.

I am one of those questioning if things happened as she described. That doesn't mean that I don't have sympathy for Duffy eitherways. She's either gone through a torrid experience that I wouldn't wish on anybody or she venturing down the rabbit hole of mental illness that I wouldn't wish on anybody either.

El_Duderino 09

Crazy Times wrote: »

Not at all. If the story was realistic, like she was walking home at night and some guy pulled a knife on her, there would be no disbelief. Why? Because such scenarios do happen.

If you wish to uncritically accept her story then you are welcome to do so.

"I've no idea if it's true or not". I've said that in every single post I've put in this thread. Why do you think you're a good judge of what Duffy wrote when you've missed that salient point made in each and every single post? I'm not certain comprehension and analysis are skills you should rely on.

But your first point is easily disproved if you spend any time on boards. Even if the case you outlined above the same posters would be pushing the same story - it didn’t happen and she’s mentally ill. I would still not believe it just because someone said it and I’m unlikely to ever have enough evidence to know one way or the other - the exact same position I take on the Duffy story.

Lonesomerhodes

How do you drug a World famous singer and get them through an airport undectected?.

Why she post of it on instagram of all places?.
Surely the most vacuous of all the social media platforms and certainly not the place to post about a rape.

BattleCorp

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

How do you drug a World famous singer and get them through an airport undectected?.

Why she post of it on instagram of all places?.
Surely the most vacuous of all the social media platforms and certainly not the place to post about a rape.

I'm not saying this is the case with Duffy but many world famous singers pass through airports drugged a lot of the time. Drugged doesn't mean unconscious.

Also, Duffy isn't world famous and would probably be unrecognisable to most. I certainly wouldn't pick her out of a crowd. Maybe someone did see her in the airport that day (if the event ever happened), but why would it stand out? Singers are often in airports as travel is essential in their trade.

Why is she posting on social media about the event? If the event really happened, then maybe she is traumatised from it or maybe she is suffering with a mental illness. Eitherways I think she needs a little bit more help than she is getting at the moment.

paw patrol

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Isn't this exactly the point? She's under no obligation to say anything to convince some online Columbo who thinks they've found the flaws in the story so it must not be true.
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I don't agree I don't think anybody should blindly cheerlead everything we read on the net. We are born with a natural curiosity. Some of us have more , some less . Something should make some basic sense. This story is a stretch.

Don't be so obtuse as to suggest we all believe something just because..

Odhinn

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Only my two cents but I think it never happened.

Indeed. She may well have been raped or attacked in some fashion, but I doubt it occurred as she described it - there's far too many holes in the plot.

El_Duderino 09

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't agree I don't think anybody should blindly cheerlead everything we read on the net. We are born with a natural curiosity. Some of us have more , some less . Something should make some basic sense. This story is a stretch.

Don't be so obtuse as to suggest we all believe something just because..

If you've made any conclusions on the information that's out here, then it's not me being obtuse. Lots of posters diagnosing mental illness and psychiatric disorders.

I've said in every post in this thread that I don't know what happened. Neither does anyone in this thread know what happened (and I'll probably never know enough to reach a conclusion one way or the other). I'm honest enough to say it and I e no idea why people think they have to reach a conclusion one way or the other.

AllForIt

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont see any reason for her to lie?

Seems to have completly fcuked her up to extent she withdrew for a decade



Quite how someone could come to.conclusion such a person is an attention seeker is beyond me,

Would it been alot handier for her to appear on one those reality shows for attention??

She's a celeb. All news is good news for a celeb because it promotes them.

statesaver

#ibelieveTaraReade but Alyssa Milano doesn't.

splinter65

I believe something very bad happened to her. I believe that she herself is sure that this is what happened to her (she’s not deliberately spoofing). But there’s no way that this story is true. Her spilling this is worrying (or should be) for those close to her and if there’s not some kind of intervention then it’ll end badly.

SeanW

Clearly, we should #believeallwomen. What could possibly go wrong?

Oops ...

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I can. It’s no different to your suggestion that they shouldn’t. The whole point of a jury trial is that the accused is tried by a jury of their peers - ordinary members of the public, with all their own prejudices and biases. Of course one can ask them to put their prejudices aside and judge the accused in each case on the basis of the evidence before them, but that’s an idealistic notion rather than anything grounded in reality.

Umm ... a person who believes that an accusation cannot possibly be false, is by definition a tainted juror. It would be a fairly shoddy defense lawyer that does not try to determine the objectivity of potential jurors before a trial starts.

A "Believe All Women" type is no more qualified to be a juror in a rape/sexual assault trial than a Nazi is to be on a jury in a trial of a Jewish person or a member of the KKK to try a black person.

BTW should we believe Tara Reade? She's made some rather serious accusations against U.S. Presidential candidate Joe Biden.

Do the #believeallwomen crowd want the same standards applied to Tara Reade, Juanita Broddrick et. al. as they apply to the likes of Christine Blaisey Ford?

BattleCorp

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lots of posters diagnosing mental illness and psychiatric disorders.

Duffy's story seems a little implausable so people are rightly questioning it. I don't see anybody diagnosing mental illness, they are offering it as a hypothesis for the holes in Duffy's story.

I e no idea why people think they have to reach a conclusion one way or the other.

People form conclusions based on what they see and read. You punch me in the face, I form the conclusion you are a d1ck. I don't have 100% of the facts as to why you did it. You tell me a story that has loads of holes in it, I form the opinion you are either telling lies or you are mistaken. Same scenarion here. Duffy told a story that seems implausible and people are questioning it.

And I've no idea why you think people need to have 100% of the facts before they form an opinion on something. It isn't a court of law and people are perfectly entitled to form an opinion on the balance of probabilities based on the information provided. They may be mistaken, but hey, so be it.

Here's a question. Based on what Duffy said, do you think she is telling the truth or not? I know you don't know for certain, but if you had to pick one side or the other, what side would you pick?

Eric Cartman

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

How do you drug a World famous singer and get them through an airport undectected?.

Why she post of it on instagram of all places?.
Surely the most vacuous of all the social media platforms and certainly not the place to post about a rape.

instagram is a safe space for the crowd that believe any given man is more likely to be a rapist , and any other given man is more likely to be a willing accomplice to a rapist than any given woman is to exaggerate a story Or just flat out lie.

El_Duderino 09

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I've no idea why you think people need to have 100% of the facts before they form an opinion on something. It isn't a court of law and people are perfectly entitled to form an opinion on the balance of probabilities based on the information provided. They may be mistaken, but hey, so be it.

Here's a question. Based on what Duffy said, do you think she is telling the truth or not? I know you don't know for certain, but if you had to pick one side or the other, what side would you pick?

Who said anything about needing 100% of the facts? I know I didn't so I've no idea why you're pretending to know what I think.

As for your question "Based on what Duffy said, do you think she is telling the truth or not?"

I don't have enough information to even hazard a guess. The story sounds extraordinary but there's nothing impossible in it. No impossible accounts of the cow jumping over the moon or seeing Jesus. So, given the info I have, I would conclude very little except that it an extraordinary account and I have no way to test whether it's true or not.

Same question to you "Based on what Duffy said, do you think she is telling the truth or not?"

El_Duderino 09

For all the people jumping up and down and ironically saying they #ibelieveher, has anyone in this thread even said they absolutely believe the story 100%?

Loads of online Columbos with their Fisher-Price magnifying glass, pretending they know all about rapes and declaring what could and couldn’t happen. But I really don’t see the other side as the big scary behemoth that they’re making it out to be. Even being honest and saying that I don’t have enough information to reach a conclusion (and probably never will) seems to be far too balanced an approach for some people to comprehend.

Eric Cartman

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

For all the people jumping up and down and ironically saying they #ibelieveher, has anyone in this thread even said they absolutely believe the story 100%?

Loads of online Columbos with their Fisher-Price magnifying glass, pretending they know all about rapes and declaring what could and couldn’t happen. But I really don’t see the other side as the big scary behemoth that they’re making it out to be. Even being honest and saying that I don’t have enough information to reach a conclusion (and probably never will) seems to be far too balanced an approach for some people to comprehend.

My personal bet would be theres a consensual sex tape or video of drug consumption coming out sometime soon or being held for financial ransom and this is the way of getting out ahead of it. Just such a stink of proactive PR off it.