Pay our Nurses/healthcare staff a decent wage

weisses

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Normally only nurses on final year internship get paid. But I think some trainee nurses that are on the wards are getting paid the HCA rate army present..

There is a good reason for this. Any that are on the wards had to give up there part time jobs or not do there block release on this phase . The reason for this is there was too much risk �� f they did the two as normal they would spread the infection. Theu were not entitled to the COVID payment because of this.

Clinical placements are cancelled and we are offered a temp contract to work as a HCA over the summer

tdf7187

AllForIt wrote: »

Socialists are going mental these days.

If health care weren't free at the point of use they might get paid a bit more.

But if your're happy to pay more in taxes then sure, give them a pay rise.

You are referring I think to the Champagne socialists who control RTE and the public sector unions and are exploiting the crisis to grab more of the private sectors share of the pie. Real socialism as advocated by the likes of Connolly and Larkin has nothing got to do with that.

Incidentally healthcare in Ireland is not free at the point of use.

thomasdylan

tdf7187 wrote: »

You are referring I think to the Champagne socialists who control RTE and the public sector unions and are exploiting the crisis to grab more of the private sectors share of the pie. Real socialism as advocated by the likes of Connolly and Larkin has nothing got to do with that.

Incidentally healthcare in Ireland is not free at the point of use.

Which of the public sector unions have been exploiting this crisis? The EWTD has been suspended, people are getting redeployed and hardly a word about it.


And there are 1.6m medical card holders in Ireland who get essentially free Healthcare.

Hotblack Desiato

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Correct. We need to state this over and over again. Most of the government debt was caused by paying public sector workers more than the country could afford between '09 and '15.

This is bollocks, by 2009 all public sector workers had taken large pay cuts - which have still not been reversed btw - most welfare recipients had little or no cuts, and now they're back to an annual increases and a bonus for doing nothing all year.

Comparisions with other countries wages are pointless, I can't live in another country or feed my family from another country while working here. Private sector in this country is a complete and utter rip-off. Name one private sector delivered good or service which is cheaper here than other countries? We're at the top of the list of EU countries for the cost of pretty much everything.

Remember back when Lidl & Aldi first opened here? They were cheap, crazy cheap by Irish standards. Then they figured out they could charge a lot closer to the main supermarkets' prices, and still clean up. They cottoned on to the concept of the "Irish price", don't look at the cost of delivering a good or service and a reasonable profit margin, but instead look at how much you can get away with charging.

That and house prices / rents (more private sector gouging) is the reason wages are high in this country. Standard of living for most isn't that high though, whether private or public sector. Look at creches charging €1000/month per child then paying their staff minimum wage.

Idbatterim

AllForIt wrote: »

Socialists are going mental these days.

If health care weren't free at the point of use they might get paid a bit more.

But if your're happy to pay more in taxes then sure, give them a pay rise.

I'm not prepared to pay more tax. Freeze welfare increases for the long term unemployed and direct the money to those who should be getting it. Their idiotic plan to reduce pension age will be off the cards again anyway , good

Hot black the cost of running business here is substantial, and explains some of the price difference between here and other countries

Mad_maxx

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Correct. We need to state this over and over again. Most of the government debt was caused by paying public sector workers more than the country could afford between '09 and '15.

yes but we also paid pensioners too much as well , they saw no cuts whatsoever during the deep recession

Mad_maxx

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Yep fair point, we also mainitained a bloated and unaffordable welfare state which added to the debt.



But, public sector pay was far out of line with comparable countries and what the nation could afford at the time, let's be honest.

all political parties vigorously court the state sector vote in this country , that is not going to change anytime soon , not one party exists which puts the private sector majority first , RTE is of course vehemently pro public sector as well so any party which attempts to sideline the state sector in terms of priorities will be roasted by the media

AndrewJRenko

Mad_maxx wrote: »

all political parties vigorously court the state sector vote in this country , that is not going to change anytime soon , not one party exists which puts the private sector majority first

Except the parties that tried that approach before they slipped into obscurity, like the PDs and Renua - almost as if most people see this this kind of 'divide and conquer' tactic.

mariaalice

Mad_maxx wrote: »

all political parties vigorously court the state sector vote in this country , that is not going to change anytime soon , not one party exists which puts the private sector majority first , RTE is of course vehemently pro public sector as well so any party which attempts to sideline the state sector in terms of priorities will be roasted by the media

Almost no one under 30 watcher or listens to RTE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Party_of_Ireland#The_Ned_Stapleton_Cumann_inside_RT%C3%89