Covid Unemplyment Payment for Part-Time Farmers

Earnshaw

Has anyone got insight into the following...

If you are laid off from a full time job for a number of weeks but are still operating as a part time self employed farmer - then can you claim the €350/week payment from welfare?

Thanks.

Sugarbowl

In that situation here. Applied but have heard nothing back.

aaakev

From what iv heard yes you can. There is a big thread with loads of info in the covid 19 forum

Sugarbowl

Any Suckler/Part time farmers receive a payment today if ye lost ye’re main job?

SEPT 23 1989

Farm needs to "cease trading"

You will get the 350.00 but when it's all over Revenue will be looking back with a fine toothed comb

Wouldn't bother if you have any means to keep going

august12

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Farm needs to "cease trading"

You will get the 350.00 but when it's all over Revenue will be looking back with a fine toothed comb

Wouldn't bother if you have any means to keep going

What is the definition of 'cease trading', if a farmer unfortunately had a restricted herd and just got the all clear in the last few days and now marts are closed, would one be able to claim this payment on grounds of no income stream.
Forgot to add, full time farming.

road_high

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Farm needs to "cease trading"

You will get the 350.00 but when it's all over Revenue will be looking back with a fine toothed comb

Wouldn't bother if you have any means to keep going

Why would they be any different to another PAYE worker that’s lost their job? Lots of part time farmers in jobs that would have been hit hard by this. They deserve the same support as anyone else if paying PAYE, PRSI and USC

Sugarbowl

Didn’t get the payment in the first run so I’m guessing it’s the farm that has me withheld from it.

My wage is now gone and a few suckie cows are only costing me money! Can’t make sense of it!

august12

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Didn’t get the payment in the first run so I’m guessing it’s the farm that has me withheld from it.

My wage is now gone and a few suckie cows are only costing me money! Can’t make sense of it!

That makes no sense, so someone with two jobs wouldn't get it if they lost one job, I understood anyone who had lost a job was entitled to this,

Cavanjack

august12 wrote: »

That makes no sense, so someone with two jobs wouldn't get it if they lost one job, I understood anyone who had lost a job was entitled to this,

Also are self employed people who have lost jobs not getting something too?

Still waters

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Didn’t get the payment in the first run so I’m guessing it’s the farm that has me withheld from it.

My wage is now gone and a few suckie cows are only costing me money! Can’t make sense of it!

I think this virus business will open a lot of farmers eyes, take away an off farm job and lads will see what's really out of farming and how much of their own money they're putting into it to keep things ticking over, if you're supplementing your farm from your other job you need to have a long look at what's important, if its for the love of it keep a few dry bullocks for the interest, otherwise lads would be better off selling the stock and working their 5 days with no hassle

Butcher Boy

A lad said to me the other day that you would want a good job to stay farming now, and do you know what he was not too far wrong.

dunlopwellies

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Didn’t get the payment in the first run so I’m guessing it’s the farm that has me withheld from it.

My wage is now gone and a few suckie cows are only costing me money! Can’t make sense of it!

If you are not eligible for the covid payment you should apply for job seekers benefit of you have now lost your primary income. You may well be eligible for that.

duffysfarm

Yes, self.employed are getting the €350. The only thing that i can see is that the business has tonhave ceased trading. Thats easy for lets say a hairdresser thats closed but for a farmer that cant buy cattle and has limited market to sell, have they ceased to trade? To me it looks as if this wont apply to farmers unless the clarify what cease to trade is and if it could include a reduction in business

Cavanjack wrote: »

Also are self employed people who have lost jobs not getting something too?

20silkcut

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Any Suckler/Part time farmers receive a payment today if ye lost ye’re main job?

I received €350 on Tuesday. The farm didn’t stop me getting it. Although they probably felt sorry for me with what I’m getting from the farm.
Still though between payments and cattle sales the farm brings in nearly twice the revenue that the job brings in, but the profit at the end is wafer thin. And in actual fact for 2018 I got a €60 cheque back from revenue.
That was the year I sold cattle at the back end for less than I bought them at the front end.

Sugarbowl

I checked up on my application today, they have no record of it even though I applied over 2 weeks ago. Sent in one online earlier. Fingers crossed this time!

Earnshaw

20silkcut wrote: »

I received €350 on Tuesday. The farm didn’t stop me getting it. Although they probably felt sorry for me with what I’m getting from the farm.
Still though between payments and cattle sales the farm brings in nearly twice the revenue that the job brings in, but the profit at the end is wafer thin. And in actual fact for 2018 I got a €60 cheque back from revenue.
That was the year I sold cattle at the back end for less than I bought them at the front end.

Ya but aren't the depreciation of your capital assets accounted for. As well as expenses like Diesel that you're probably also using outside of the farming activities.

Haven't applied yet either - however from what I'm hearing part-time farmers who are laid off temporarily can get that €350/week C-PUP.

duffysfarm

folks - i dont necessarily think that if you apply for it and you get a payment that means that you qualify. I wouldnt be surprised if due to the volume of applications they are paying everyone who has completed the application correctly and they will ask questions later.

alps

https://www.ifa.ie/covid19/

Click on the Full Details Here Tab and all details about this payment are explained.

Just on that also...one of our girls in college does part time work, and is laid off from that, she's also got the payment..

_Brian

alps wrote: »

https://www.ifa.ie/covid19/

Click on the Full Details Here Tab and all details about this payment are explained.

Just on that also...one of our girls in college does part time work, and is laid off from that, she's also got the payment..

My daughter is just couple of months too young even with two years stamps paid.

alps

The payment is NOT available to farmers who have lost an off farm job due to COVID..

A farmer must cease trading as well on the farm due to COVID...

This is a blatant oversight and misunderstanding of the value and necessity of the off farm income to many many farmers..

Hopefully this will be sorted next week..

20silkcut

Earnshaw wrote: »

Ya but aren't the depreciation of your capital assets accounted for. As well as expenses like Diesel that you're probably also using outside of the farming activities.

Haven't applied yet either - however from what I'm hearing part-time farmers who are laid off temporarily can get that €350/week C-PUP.

The only assets I have are machinery. The capital allowances are long since swallowed up on them. The total value of machinery I own is under 20 grand. Tractor , topper, trailer, fertiliser spreader. I don’t own the farm I’m renting it from my mother.
A sizeable chunk of farm income is gone on rental payments.

_Brian

alps wrote: »

The payment is NOT available to farmers who have lost an off farm job due to COVID..

A farmer must cease trading as well on the farm due to COVID...

This is a blatant oversight and misunderstanding of the value and necessity of the off farm income to many many farmers..

Hopefully this will be sorted next week..

This is contrary to everything I’ve seen elsewhere.

alps

_Brian wrote: »

This is contrary to everything I’ve seen elsewhere.

Appreciate any links or info Brian..

august12

alps wrote: »

Appreciate any links or info Brian..

Theres a link further up the page.

alps

Girl working in a New York bar, was left off work just after Patrick's Day, returned a week ago, still in isolation, applied for COVID €350 payment and received it this week..

Still waters

alps wrote: »

Girl working in a New York bar, was left off work just after Patrick's Day, returned a week ago, still in isolation, applied for COVID €350 payment and received it this week..

Whats your point

the hedgeman

alps wrote: »

Girl working in a New York bar, was left off work just after Patrick's Day, returned a week ago, still in isolation, applied for COVID €350 payment and received it this week..

Dont you get 2 weeks covid 19 isolation payment if you have to go into self isolation and she would have to go into isolation coming in from a foreign country as that seems to be part of the emergency laws now

Dinzee Conlee

the hedgeman wrote: »

Dont you get 2 weeks covid 19 isolation payment if you have to go into self isolation and she would have to go into isolation coming in from a foreign country as that seems to be part of the emergency laws now

I would have thought it only applies to people who would be working (In iteland) only for covid19?
If someone lost their job abroad and came home, I don’t think it should apply...

Heard of a few cases all right where people are claiming it and it doesn’t sound right that they should...

I think they can’t be too strict with the checks now, as it would slow it down too much...
But I hope they go after the people who shouldn’t be getting it after, and hit them with a nice fine for their trouble... but, I dunno if that’ll happen...

the hedgeman

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I would have thought it only applies to people who would be working (In iteland) only for covid19?
If someone lost their job abroad and came home, I don’t think it should apply...

Heard of a few cases all right where people are claiming it and it doesn’t sound right that they should...

I think they can’t be too strict with the checks now, as it would slow it down too much...
But I hope they go after the people who shouldn’t be getting it after, and hit them with a nice fine for their trouble... but, I dunno if that’ll happen...

If she is a irish citizen and has to isolate for a minimun of 2 weeks,you would not mind paying the €350 per week,but just for them 2 weeks only.

tractorporn

alps wrote: »

The payment is NOT available to farmers who have lost an off farm job due to COVID..

A farmer must cease trading as well on the farm due to COVID...

This is a blatant oversight and misunderstanding of the value and necessity of the off farm income to many many farmers..

Hopefully this will be sorted next week..

I'd love to know where you have found that info. I've applied for the payment and to quote the great Fr Ted Crilly the money is resting in my account. My hours have been halved in work and I need every penny and it wont be there if they come looking for it back!

alps

tractorporn wrote: »

I'd love to know where you have found that info. I've applied for the payment and to quote the great Fr Ted Crilly the money is resting in my account. My hours have been halved in work and I need every penny and it wont be there if they come looking for it back!

I made the call and was told no...

Great to see you got it...but explain...have you got the payment because you are now on reduced hours, but still have work?

I was told a farmer would get it, if they ceased trading on the farm...maybe you fit that bracket..

Not going to ask your circumstances, but if you could sort of explain it would be a great help..

_Brian

alps wrote: »

I made the call and was told no...

Great to see you got it...but explain...have you got the payment because you are now on reduced hours, but still have work?

I was told a farmer would get it, if they ceased trading on the farm...maybe you fit that bracket..

Not going to ask your circumstances, but if you could sort of explain it would be a great help..

It’s got on your off farm work
Not farming.

So if you had off farm work that stopped because of Covid19 then you should be getting the payment. If your applying on the basis that farming is affected by Covid19 then immnkt sure if you will get it.

Bullocks

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

But I hope they go after the people who shouldn’t be getting it after, and hit them with a nice fine for their trouble... but, I dunno if that’ll happen...

It might but I hope they concentrate more on the people that make a career out of social welfare rather than the few that will take a few weeks of a payment.
I know which bunch of people that will cost more in every way in the long run and it isn't the paye worker

tractorporn

alps wrote: »

I made the call and was told no...

Great to see you got it...but explain...have you got the payment because you are now on reduced hours, but still have work?

I was told a farmer would get it, if they ceased trading on the farm...maybe you fit that bracket..

Not going to ask your circumstances, but if you could sort of explain it would be a great help..

My hours have been cut from 40 hours/week to 20 hours/week as a result of Covid 19 so our HR girl said that we are entitled to apply for the payment. I wasnt sure whether the farm side of things would effect it or not but apparently it's not means tested. Once your PAYE job has been affected because of Covid 19 you get it is what we were told.

20silkcut

Bullocks wrote: »

It might but I hope they concentrate more on the people that make a career out of social welfare rather than the few that will take a few weeks of a payment.
I know which bunch of people that will cost more in every way in the long run and it isn't the paye worker

One of the reasons for the €350 payment is to make the whole stay at home thing more feasible.
If people aren’t getting any money then they are going to go out working or looking for work or worse , further spreading the virus.
Some people in the south of Italy got nothing due to working in the black economy. The result was mayhem on the streets and looting. Exactly what no government would want at this moment in time. Having people hanging around doing nothing with no money is a recipe for disaster.
I reckon the payment has more to do with that than anything else it’s only a six week emergency payment. And in fairness if you have a family etc it won’t cover much more than weekly shopping keep bills paid.

Lime Tree Farm

",it was feared that the entitlement of workers on lay-off to demand redundancy payments after four weeks without work in certain circumstance could trigger a tsunami of redundancy claims, payment of which could have driven some businesses to collapse.

In that instance, the state would have picked up the responsibility to pay statutory redundancy of 2 weeks wages per year of service capped at €600 per week."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126102-covid-19-wage-payments/

Lime Tree Farm

You may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-unemployment-payment-fraud-arrest-5139595-Jul2020/