Why did all the Doctors and Nurses return now?

bigpink

I can understand a small number doing for their country but did they just walk out of their jobs abroad?
Is there a kick back or a bonus for coming back

bigpink

bigpink wrote: »

I can understand a small number doing for their country but did they just walk out of their jobs abroad?
Is there a kick back or a bonus for coming back

Maybe they see this as the beginning of an enhanced tertiary healthcare service in Ireland. One or two started the ball rolling, and more were encouraged, which is great. Let’s hope it will kickstart a proper healthcare system in Ireland.

beggars_bush

Or maybe they were told their contracts and visas wouldn't be renewed in whatever country they were in?

Sono Topolino

The HSE has now fully roles out the enhanced payscale for Nurses and this is probably a factor for some of the nurses. That, patriotism and the fact that many nurses would have elderly relatives who are at risk of severe complications and death.

Bob Harris

I wonder what the health system in the countries they were working think of them heading off and leaving them in the lurch.

Please don’t let the Phillipinos get the same sudden sense of nationalism

bigpink

Aegir wrote: »

Please don’t let the Phillipinos get the same sudden sense of nationalism

God ive heard they are a great staff to have here

Yurt2

bigpink wrote: »

God ive heard they are a great staff to have here

Filipinos are awesome people generally. Never met an assh*le Filipino. They keep Singapore running in so many sectors of their economy, and often get treated appallingly.

Shefwedfan

You do realize nurses and doctors also have family and relatives?

Why would anyone stay in another country and risk what could be a limited period with someone who could die

I do have to love the undercurrent of bashing for nurses and doctors....they couldn’t be coming home to do any good, the sneaky f**kers have to be up to something

Kerry25x

Sono Topolino wrote: »

The HSE has now fully roles out the enhanced payscale for Nurses and this

No they haven't, most of us are still waiting for it over a year later.

Jinglejangle69

Only found out Australia has a massive shortage of nurses.

Thought it was only Ireland.

mountai

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe they see this as the beginning of an enhanced tertiary healthcare service in Ireland. One or two started the ball rolling, and more were encouraged, which is great. Let’s hope it will kickstart a proper healthcare system in Ireland.

The health system here will NEVER be reformed unless there is the political will to do so . Present politicians are too involved in their own interests to change same .

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You do realize nurses and doctors also have family and relatives?

Why would anyone stay in another country and risk what could be a limited period with someone who could die

I do have to love the undercurrent of bashing for nurses and doctors....they couldn’t be coming home to do any good, the sneaky f**kers have to be up to something

The same nurses who gathered in a huge group in Sydney with a banner complaining of working in Ireland and now the conditions are acceptable? During the worst pandemic in living memory?

I'd say the thoughts of airlines collapsing and a long term ban on traveling was more of a motivation.

mountai

mountai wrote: »

The health system here will NEVER be reformed unless there is the political will to do so . Present politicians are too involved in their own interests to change same .

The political will is there, billions pour into the HSE pretty much unimpeded.

But the public will not back any political party that tackles the unions and waste within it.

shesty

The problem is that once this is over the cutbacks will begin to pay for it.

I would have no faith in it continuing.But that being said there was an article in the Times yesterday that asked good questions..(I am not normally a fan of this journalist but she said it well...)

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-coronavirus-response-is-like-providing-fire-exits-only-during-a-blaze-1.4215075?mode=amp

How can you provide healthcare for all and then take it away?And she is right.But the bigger question is are we as a population willing to fork out more in tax to fund what such a system, outside of crisis times?

snotboogie

mountai wrote: »

The health system here will NEVER be reformed unless there is the political will to do so . Present politicians are too involved in their own interests to change same .

The political will isn't there for a good reason, major structural changes would see years of battles with unions and vast long term disruption to the health service.

shesty

shesty wrote: »

But the bigger question is are we as a population willing to fork out more in tax to fund what such a system, outside of crisis times?

We will have to fork out a lot more in tax to pay for this pandemic. The government is paying the wages, or at least enhanced social welfare of a large percentage of all workers at the moment, on top of all the extra money going into the HSE. And tax revenues have fallen off a cliff.

Expect huge cuts and tax increases across the board in 6 months time when the dust settles and the EU comes calling to keep the deficit under 3% of GDP.

Unless the ECB print money and just give it to people directly rather than banks, which looks extremely unlikely.

Not saying it's wrong to spend the money, just stating facts. We should have sorted the inefficiencies out in the HSE a long time ago. There is a huge layer of bureaucratic fat that was never trimmed.

Don't see where the money is going to come from to have a proper health service. Here there would be an argument to be made to allow the herd immunity strategy to take hold as lots of people are going to die in the future due to inefficiencies in the HSE.

shesty

shesty wrote: »

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How can you provide healthcare for all and then take it away?.............

Pre covid19 GPs were for various reasons referring thousands to A&E, hospitals had a significant proportion of elderly folk with not too much wrong with them (except needing looking after) but nowhere else to go ............ healthcare for all is a great concept and it's achievable in ideal terms but once the system gets abused and thus clogged it's unworkable.

Sono Topolino

Hospitals should be taking care of the critically ill.
People with incurable chronic conditions should be cared for in long term care facilities. Unfortunately, our hospitals are stuck dealing with them as families refuse to take back their elderly relatives and care for them at home, or fork out the money to place them in nursing homes. We need a plan for funding the cost of caring for the elderly outside of hospitals, as this problem isn't going away.
This will free up hospital resources to create more ICU beds.

salonfire

salonfire wrote: »

The same nurses who gathered in a huge group in Sydney with a banner complaining of working in Ireland and now the conditions are acceptable? During the worst pandemic in living memory?

I'd say the thoughts of airlines collapsing and a long term ban on traveling was more of a motivation.

Or the fact that their flights were paid for through fundraising. Remember, they have to self isolate for 14 days on their return. Just might escape the worst of the pandemic. Or maybe I’m just a cynic.

mountai

salonfire wrote: »

The political will is there, billions pour into the HSE pretty much unimpeded.

But the public will not back any political party that tackles the unions and waste within it.

Totally disagree with you on this . The time is past when there is blanket support for Unions in this country . You forgot to mention management ( both middle and top) that are mainly culpable IMHO for the scandal of wastage within the system . The HSE is a toxic organization , which in tandem with the State , still subjects the Citizens of this country to abuse of all sorts .

To reform , it will be necessary to do the following
1 . All Politicians , All Management within the HSE , All Senior Civil Servants , and All Union Leaders and Reps to be forbidden to use "Private System ".
2 . All front line staff to be given an immediate 35% increase .
3 . No "Private facilities" to be allowed in public hospital .
4 . All HSE staff to be sacked , and local panels of Front Line Staff to rehire those that are worthy .
5 . And most of all -- ACCOUNTABILITY to become the new culture .

It will never happen , but this is what it will take .

Shefwedfan

mountai wrote: »

Totally disagree with you on this . The time is past when there is blanket support for Unions in this country . You forgot to mention management ( both middle and top) that are mainly culpable IMHO for the scandal of wastage within the system . The HSE is a toxic organization , which in tandem with the State , still subjects the Citizens of this country to abuse of all sorts .

To reform , it will be necessary to do the following
1 . All Politicians , All Management within the HSE , All Senior Civil Servants , and All Union Leaders and Reps to be forbidden to use "Private System ".
2 . All front line staff to be given an immediate 35% increase .
3 . No "Private facilities" to be allowed in public hospital .
4 . All HSE staff to be sacked , and local panels of Front Line Staff to rehire those that are worthy .
5 . And most of all -- ACCOUNTABILITY to become the new culture .

It will never happen , but this is what it will take .

Well thank God you don’t work or have anything to do with HSE, you would cripple the whole health system

The best is front line staff rehiring :-)

1800_Ladladlad

This kind of carry on does not surprise me to be honest. If I was came home to Ireland to help my country in their time of need and left
a new created bymyself for myself and returned home to be treated like this ....murder!!


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Stepping Stone

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

This kind of carry on does not surprise me to be honest. If I was came home to Ireland to help my country in their time of need and left
a new created bymyself for myself and returned home to be treated like this ....murder

Apparently it’s because she trained abroad. To register in Ireland she has to pay €350. In the UK where she trained, it’s £450.
The INMB are saying that it’s a five day turnaround to register and over 500 nurses have registered in the last week. It’s only when there’s an issue with the application that it takes longer.
There’s a lot more to it than meets the eye I would guess!

Sono Topolino

So my cousin is a nurse in Australia, and apparently private hospitals are laying off nurses and doctors because they have very few patients as people don’t want to get procedures done at this time.

This is purely anecdotal, so take from it what you will. Also some landlords are evicting Asian (Filipinos etc.) because they think they are disease carriers. Again, anecdotal.

mountai

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well thank God you don’t work or have anything to do with HSE, you would cripple the whole health system

The best is front line staff rehiring :-)

Dont worry about cripplying the health service . For many , there is a waiting list of YEARS to see a specialist . You disregard the Accountability facet of my comment . Also the obvious Toxicity that is the culture . Which branch of the Civil Service do you work for??

Shefwedfan

mountai wrote: »

Dont worry about cripplying the health service . For many , there is a waiting list of YEARS to see a specialist . You disregard the Accountability facet of my comment . Also the obvious Toxicity that is the culture . Which branch of the Civil Service do you work for??

I work in none. But good try


Yes health service needs change, that is what Slainte care is about is it not?



Your idea, well lets just say, not that great

Shefwedfan

Stepping Stone wrote: »

Apparently it’s because she trained abroad. To register in Ireland she has to pay €350. In the UK where she trained, it’s £450.
The INMB are saying that it’s a five day turnaround to register and over 500 nurses have registered in the last week. It’s only when there’s an issue with the application that it takes longer.
There’s a lot more to it than meets the eye I would guess!

I am shocked, a rant on twitter does not give the full story. Shocked I am :P:P

Is it not, and no expert, from an insurance point of view she needs to have her paperwork in order?

Odyssey 2005

Beats me. They'd want to be off their trolley to come back here to work.

Still waters

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Only found out Australia has a massive shortage of nurses.

Thought it was only Ireland.

Theres a massive skills shortage in most westernized countries, be it medical, logistics, construction or any industry that has been over regulated and seen to be less of a career than I.T or business, there was a time people got into nursing, building, retail with good job prospects and the ability to rear families, now its a wages race to the bottom with the guys in suits running the show, we see what jobs are really important in the current climate, the lady behind the till in spar or the Filipino nurse on little more than minimum wage in a care home or the truck driver bringing your groceries at 5 in the morning to your local supervalu, those are the people who count and we're now reaping the errors of our ways for putting the emphasis on careers that simply don't matter when the shìt hits the fan

Shefwedfan

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Beats me. They'd want to be off their trolley to come back here to work.

As I posted already, I would expect the majority have family here. They are people after all......


Earning a few quid while at home makes sense

blackbox

There must be a significant number of them in Australia whose 2 year visas have almost expired.


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Shefwedfan

blackbox wrote: »

There must be a significant number of them in Australia whose 2 year visas have almost expired.


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If a nurse wants to stay in Australia they can stay in Australia, a visa will be given no issue.

Odyssey 2005

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As I posted already, I would expect the majority have family here. They are people after all......


Earning a few quid while at home makes sense

Didntread any post I just commented on the thread title. You are correct though, probably 95٪ are irish and have family here. Itll be a different story when this pandemic is over the green sheen will soon disappear from whatever government is in place. We will be taxed out of existence,doctors and nurses will return to be the shoe leather of the public service, rents and property prices will skyrocket.

Shefwedfan

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Didntread any post I just commented on the thread title. You are correct though, probably 95٪ are irish and have family here. Itll be a different story when this pandemic is over the green sheen will soon disappear from whatever government is in place. We will be taxed out of existence,doctors and nurses will return to be the shoe leather of the public service, rents and property prices will skyrocket.

Its a mighty wee country we have :P