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Just One More Watch - Youtube reviewer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40wulFjfQUYComments
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Latest AliExpress review from Justonemorewatch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hF48E7rUL0
I was sent this link for free and don't have to return it.
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His latest a "pagani design" €75 diver not for everyone, but a lot of watch for the money.
Seiko NH35 movement, saphire crystal, 100M
on sale here for the next day or so.
My friend has a previous incarnation of the pagani design sub rip off so I've seen it in the flesh. To be fair, it's serious value for money. Decent movement, ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal etc. I don't know how they make them so cheap. His criticism of it is the bezel is misaligned , realistically the bracelet is poor quality, the screw down crown is very very stiff and grainy, there's no AR coating, the crystal is flat etc For the money though, they've manged to put a decent watch together.
These Chinese rip offs aren't my thing and I would have no interest in wearing one but if that doesn't bother you and you have very limited money to spend, you won't find much better quality wise at that very low price point. The pagani design watches are definitely a cut above the usual chinese crap if anyone has experience with Cadisen and the like.0 -
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I mean, under €40 for this is pretty impressive: https://a.aliexpress.com/_dXN2KsW
It sure is.
Although "Swimming Military Army" with only 50m WR, I wonder which army and if they just run through puddles. 0 -
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And the original speedmasters (which did end up being dunked in the ocean on re-entry from orbit) only had 3ATM I believe - nothing wrong with 30m wr if it's actually 30m - you can go swimming with that no problems. You can dive to normal depths with a 50m too - deepest I've been was 28m. 200m nowadays (and especially for most desk divers out there
) means very little - just like Omega's HE valve 
If you have a 3atm watch that is actually tested to that then you shouldn't have much issues swimming with it - a 3atm watch may very well be on a leather strap though which wouldn't do well in water!0 -
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Here's one photo anyway - I saw a different one previously but my google-fu isn't working 100% right now. Anyhow 3ATM is perfectly fine for dips (as long as the manufacturer isn't just putting a 3atm tag on it and not sealing the watch correctly) - you'll see plenty of others who swim/shower etc. with their speedmasters.0 -
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That's a Gemini mission splashdown by the look of it. That's how the righted themselves automatically. The hatches are still closed so the guys and their Speedies are still inside. The guy in the water is likely another Navy diver who jumped in already.
The only 60's era mission I can think of where anyone left the capsule and jumped into the water was Gus Grissom's Mercury splashdown. I'm not sure he was even wearing a Speedie at that stage of the game? It certainly wasn't yet the official flight watch anyway.
Right you are - the previous photo I saw was on WUS some time ago so it could well have been "fake news"
Did get it confirmed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Speedmaster
that the first official flight the Speedmaster took once flight approved was Gemini 3 - here's a video of the recovery and certainly the astronauts weren't "dunked" - perhaps splashed a little :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CnNUra7I1M
At 1:30:00ish I don't know if that's the speedmaster on the wrist as the astronaut is winched up or part of the winch contraption.0 -
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Be carefull with this stuff. Yes this channel is good and jody is charasmatic, but remember you are being sold stuff here. He is shilling watches and living on affiliate links. He does review quality watches also, but there is not a consistent standard which makes it hard to take it seriously. If you get to the point where you have 10 affordable watches, your really sitting on one good watch and now you stuck trying to shift 10 watches that look good in photos but feel like crap on the wrist after the thrill of "another new thing" is gone.
Look at the graph below, a funny one. I am somewhere between 4,5 & 6, but generally the longer you are in the hobby the more this makes sense. If you are going to buy affordable be careful to buy watches you can shift without loosing too much money. Automatic seiko is a good example. Ovoid Orient, and parnis When you get to the point where you are going to spend good money like 500 - 1500 euro dont fall into that trap of ...."well I just buy what I like" thats an excuse to buy "Sh1tters". Take some advice from the long term collectors, I wish I had in the early days. Its a fun hobby but we are not all individual flowers, and quality is always worth the money/ Once your collection has a backbone of quality, then you can add individuality and flair. Do not underestimate the power of saving. A watch you think you will never own is quite attainable if you just wait a few years and save.
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Speaking from personal experience - I don't think there is anything bad per se about Tags at all. Most don't speak to me however - in the past when they were using ETA and Valjoux movements it seemed like they were trading on previous Heuer prestige without trying something different (but then again watchmaking can be a pretty conservative industry - no-one complains about Calatravas not "pushing the envelope" - but TG weren't positioning themselves in that arena - but doing the F1 tie in - young/dynamic positioning).
TG's positioning can be seen in the very large depreciation they take on the 2nd hand market - you don't get the same with Rolex, Omega or even say a Seiko. Sadly they might be more like a Zenith (which is a brand I quite like for their one movement though) - as in unless you were happy to spend retail prices because you can afford anything you want and just wanted that Tag then you'll be in for a bad time if you ever want to sell your Tag.
Put it this way - when I got burgled they took my Speedmaster and Aquaracer - I immediately started search for a replacement Speedmaster - never did replace that Aquaracer because (to me) the design didn't speak out differently compared to the other chronographs I had already and it just didn't feel "special" to me.
@Fitzgeme - where do microbrands fit in on that graph?
I agree that you'll find that if in time you have 10 affordable watches you might have been able to get that Omega/Rolex etc. - but going through the process of the affordables and discovering what you like/don't like is valuable too. I keep a spreadsheet on my watches - incoming/outgoings - I have seen that yeah - with all the watches that I've owned - if I just saved all that I can buy into the Patek level etc. - but would I be truly happy not having experienced all those watches - rotating in and out? Maybe for some - if they knew from the beginning that they would be 100% satisfied with that Nautilus and save up for it - but...how would they even know about a Nautilus without having experienced a Seiko Turtle, Hamtun H2, Longines Hydroconquest etc. beforehand?
Would Wibbs be at 5, 6 or 7 I wonder?
@red - I think the graph is a little outdated now - Tag actually has become that cutting edge brand they kinda aspired to be back in the 00s - their mikrograph movement, mikrogirder, super accurate movement (that LVMH forced them to give to Zenith) all point to them actually producing some really innovative stuff - if I had a mikrogirder watch I wouldn't be selling that I think - it'd occupy an interesting niche in any watch collection.
https://www.calibre11.com/tag-heuer-mikrogirder-2000/
https://www.professionalwatches.com/whatever-happened-to-the-zenith-defy-lab/ (this movement was researched by Tag)
a "poopy Swiss" would be something more like Invicta I would have thought - and even they seem to have improved from their 00s pseudo-marketing BS of "RRP of 5 billion dollars so 99.999% off and available at only $900!!!"0 -
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All valid points. Out of interest what is considered ****ty Swiss? Is this the likes of Hamilton and Tissot or would Oris and Longines fall into this category? People love to look down on TAG but is this warranted? I never had one so don't really know. What's so bad about them?
I think the fun of the hobby is finding this out.(it can get heated talking about watches you know)...;) I am not brave enough tonight to comment but I have only started drinking.@Fitzgeme - where do microbrands fit in on that graph?
Microbrands are the flesh on the bones of a quality collection, but generally I try to avoid unless they are of very specific interest to me (like a certain Irish kickstarter I am following). Microbrands are by definition niche, and most collectors are better served building their knowledge on the classics first. Developing a unique style is an advanced move. Like a sexual fetish, you need some missionary experiance before you commit to the lifestyle. :P0 -
I almost missed the edit you put in there Fitz - I guess I'd be the "helicopter" then - warning NSFW dictionary entry:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=helicopter&utm_source=search-action
Pretty niche tastes.
I think another potential benefit from microbrands is that you might be able to communicate directly with the owner and 1) well it could go terribly if the brand is something that's a fly by night (and that might not even be the intention of the owner either) and no trace is there in 2-3 years' time or 2) you might be able to get in touch on a 1 to 1 basis and influence the design of watches directly at source (try writing in to Omega with your ideas, or even to Sea-Gull ha).
The graph probably needs to be updated though what with Seiko pushing their prices up - go get a respectable $50 Chinese (non-fake!) watch to get started into the world of automatic mechanicals - Seiko/Citizens might be 2nd stage now.
I'd also put in a Vostok phase - when you realise that the world isn't just Swiss and a $50 watch can be "cool" too 0 -
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One channel I can suggest (and not because he accepted a review of my watch ) is Relative-time - he goes the extra mile in filming the watches (putting different straps on them etc.) - but of course he is operating in the affordables arena and not looking at Pateks/Rolexs etc.
I can confirm that his reviews are honest too (i.e. no payment is necessary) and if a company decides to gift him a watch he apparently then auctions it off for charity later on too (and declares straight off that it was given to him).
Not afraid to point out flaws too and calls it as he sees it (he did a review on a Boldr watch where the 12 o'clock index was clearly misaligned - and said so).
He's covered a few Seiko watches etc. too so it's not just micro-brands.
Put it this way - a reviewer that writes back asking exactly how to pronounce Sólás - is taking his work seriously 0 -
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Timeless is the best channel around at the moment in my opinion. If you look past his massive ego, the quality of his videos are superb. He must put massive work into filming and editing them and obviously has the artistic streak. His Breitling in Sienna video is TV quality. Obviously the channel is mostly rolex but that's where his collection is at at the moment (Fitzgemes stage 4 I believe).
He says as much himself in the video I watched last night, mentions he had several Omegas before. Last minute or two:
Someone calls him a Rolex fanboi, and he responds by saying we caught him in a Rolex moment.
I think I've just landed myself at stage 4 too, if you would have told me this would happen a few years ago, I would have laughed in your face Lotus Elan turbo for sale:
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He says as much himself in the video I watched last night, mentions he had several Omegas before. Last minute or two:
I think I've just landed myself at stage 4 too, if you would have told me this would happen a few years ago, I would have laughed in your face
I think I'm at stage 4 mentally ..... eh except without having a Rolex 0 -
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I think I'm at stage 4 mentally ..... eh except without having a Rolex
That's where I was only 3 weeks ago. Then I got one. And now I already want other ones
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That's where I was only 3 weeks ago. Then I got one. And now I already want other ones
The price of entry is high but the cost of ownership is practically nil if you buy right. Looks like the world will head into a high inflation period, cash is not where you want your money, and there are worse things to tie up money in than a few nice Rolex. The are very liquid (easy to sell) and you get the pleasure of wearing them to boot. Problem is that Rolex is seen as show off & snooty by those below and its seen a mid tier mass produced and unimaginative by those above.
893Bet made a good point that watch collecting so long as you dont buy a load of garbage is a pretty cheap hobby, sometimes you make a few hundred, sometimes you loose a few hundred, but most hobbies are 100% loss.Cyclingtourist wrote: ». A real renaissance man.
Tending to the hipster some would say.0 -
One other channel I watch is the TheWatches.tv - https://www.youtube.com/user/thewatchestv/videos
They only look at the really high end stuff mostly - and they're pretty much positive about all the pieces they handle (I guess you won't get much access to high end pieces if you trash their watches) but having that kind of access is pretty cool.
How many watch channels can get invited to tour through the ALS factory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGAsib-4mCk
So I think it's useful and they don't overegg how wondrously marvellous each 250,000 piece is - and anyway if you were spending 250k on a watch you wouldn't really care two hoots what Joe Public thinks 0 -
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