Emergency laws

pgj2015

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0319/1124044-covid19-politics/


The new laws will allow the State to shut down mass gatherings and to potentially order groups of people in certain areas to stay in their homes.

There are regulations too that would allow for the detention of a person, on foot of a medical recommendation, if they refuse to self-isolate.



I know we are in an emergency situation but I really dont like the sound of such laws. if these laws are introduced now, they will need to be changed again when this virus scare is over or else our freedom as we know it is over.
These are the kind of laws you would see in north korea or china.

Leg End Reject

It's emergency legislation, not a new communist regime. It also provides emergency financial help for those affected.

pgj2015

Leg End Reject wrote: »

It's emergency legislation, not a new communist regime. It also provides emergency financial help for those affected.

That is a different matter. I am talking about the other new laws.

punisher5112

Could do with adding in dispersal of groups even after this as intimidation and other such issues.

Spanish Eyes

Only reason for these laws is that irresponsible people will not observe them voluntarily.

Lockdown next.

beejee

All parrots must be stroked until midnight

RandomViewer

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Only reason for these laws is that irresponsible people will not observe them voluntarily.

Lockdown next.

Any ideas when lockdown will happen ? I'm guessing next Monday or Tuesday

Redneck Reject71

beejee wrote: »

All parrots must be stroked until midnight

What happens after midnight? Insert shock,panic,horror face,heh

Leg End Reject

There seems to be posters here who would be happy to see people die if they could continue with their normal routine.

Did their parents not love them?

Leg End Reject

Leg End Reject wrote: »

There seems to be posters here who would be happy to see people die if they could continue with their normal routine.

Did their parents not love them?

Apparently those taking the necessary precautions are being selfish by "shutting down" the economy :rolleyes:

pgj2015

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Only reason for these laws is that irresponsible people will not observe them voluntarily.

Lockdown next.

maybe but what I am talking about is, what happens when the virus passes? say in 5 years time I am driving from dublin to cork and I am stopped half way there and told i am not allowed go any further, not a very free country then is it?

also why are the french giving out fines if you leave your house during lockdown but our government are going to lock us up?

Redneck Reject71

You can't teach compassion or a sense of humanity in some people. They believe they are above it or it simply doesn't exist. And they will still do what they think is their right. Regardless of who it affects.

CrabRevolution

pgj2015 wrote: »

maybe but what I am talking about is, what happens when the virus passes? say in 5 years time I am driving from dublin to cork and I am stopped half way there and told i am not allowed go any further, not a very free country then is it?

also why are the french giving out fines if you leave your house during lockdown but our government are going to lock us up?

You are right, the fictional situation you described is not a very free country.

It has nothing to do with reality though, and won't happen in Ireland.

pgj2015

CrabRevolution wrote: »

That just won't happen though.

you probably said the same about a virus like this a few months ago. who knows what will happen in the future.

CrabRevolution

pgj2015 wrote: »

you probably said the same about a virus like this a few months ago. who knows what will happen in the future.

No, a pandemic is and always has been very much within the bounds of reality. In fact we've had preparations for one several times in the last 20 years, whether they came to pass or not.

I can safely say that we're not going to have a power crazy government start banning travel within Ireland for no reason.

whiskeyman

RandomViewer wrote: »

Any ideas when lockdown will happen ? I'm guessing next Monday or Tuesday

My friend of a friend who's a cleaner for a guard will send a WhatsApp message shortly letting us all know...

Potential-Monke

As it's not yet written, it's hard to say what the laws will be. I believe they would be stupid to try and pass these laws without ensuring the emergency legislation will relate specifically to only Covid-19 related cases. So, once it passes, the law no longer applies. Or, and i'm not sure here, emergency legislation may have an expiry, ie: could only be allowed for x amount of days.

We won't know for certain until the full legislation is released for us to read.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Potential-Monke wrote: »

As it's not yet written, it's hard to say what the laws will be. I believe they would be stupid to try and pass these laws without ensuring the emergency legislation will relate specifically to only Covid-19 related cases. So, once it passes, the law no longer applies. Or, and i'm not sure here, emergency legislation may have an expiry, ie: could only be allowed for x amount of days.

We won't know for certain until the full legislation is released for us to read.

Here you go, it was released on Tuesday...

https://merrionstreet.ie/MerrionStreet/en/News-Room/News/20200317_Health_Bill.pdf

Leg End Reject

In communist Ireland legislation reads you.

pgj2015

Potential-Monke wrote: »

As it's not yet written, it's hard to say what the laws will be. I believe they would be stupid to try and pass these laws without ensuring the emergency legislation will relate specifically to only Covid-19 related cases. So, once it passes, the law no longer applies. Or, and i'm not sure here, emergency legislation may have an expiry, ie: could only be allowed for x amount of days.

We won't know for certain until the full legislation is released for us to read.

someone told me since that these new laws will be valid until November. hopefully, we dont want to be living in china number 2.

JustAThought

it was blazey-edly announced at lunchtime on 98fm that they had been brought in without as much as a parry from the other side. I nearly crashed the car. Next gabbled sentence was about emergency payments -
again - no focus on them only lasting 6 weeks and then being means tested - as usual - a shot through the balls of middle class steuggling Ireland. No whisper in any paler or station of the fact we gad an election and when is the new government going to be formed. Democracy my aras. You couldnt make it up.

Leg End Reject

pgj2015 wrote: »

someone told me since that these new laws will be valid until November. hopefully, we dont want to be living in china number 2.

Specifies it's related to Covid-19 and dated to May 9th.

Your Face

Big Gerry

I can see them using these new laws against Dissident Republicans.

Potential-Monke

Malcolm Helpless Iron wrote: »

Here you go, it was released on Tuesday...

https://merrionstreet.ie/MerrionStreet/en/News-Room/News/20200317_Health_Bill.pdf

Perfect. Quick scan and as noted above, there is an expiration of the 9th of May and it's worded specifically to be relating to Covid-19. Once Covid-19 is gone, the legislation will be gone on or before the 9th of May 2020.

There are provisions for extending if necessary, but still very much relates to Covid-19. Ye can put away the tinfoil hats.

pgj2015

Big Gerry wrote: »

I can see them using these new laws against Dissident Republicans.

And anyone who protests.

The Tetrarch

About time the country was run properly.
Sniper rifles with infra-red scopes for anyone who owns a uniform. :cool:

What I regret is the lazy feckin students are getting 100% marks in their oral Irish exam.
Years ago I sweated bricks to mumble a few phrases in the oral Irish "tá sé", "go raibh maith agat"; "go mo leith sceal".

dreamers75

Can we add beatins of feral children/adults to these new awesome laws?

Like drag em up the mountains batter them, leave em type laws?

NeinNeinNein

Big Gerry wrote: »

I can see them using these new laws against Dissident Republicans.

To boost their social welfare entitlements if they are out of work due to a pandemic disease?

s7ryf3925pivug

If someone does something unnecessary that has a clear risk of spreading infection, in principal do you think that they should be punished by the state?

Don't really want to get into a discussion of the legalities of it, want to talk about it more in a conceptual and societal context.

What sort of punishment, what sort of process and for what sort of actions would you like to see, if any?

I think something is probably required. In the context, the only normal punishment that is practical would be on the spot fines. However some people don't care about stuff like that. In clear and extreme cases detainment would be warranted. (I understand they have the power to detain people who break quarantine as it is.) One of those trackers they shackle to people under house arrest in TV shows might work.

fryup

if someone sneezes on you or coughs in your direction, then i'd report them to the guards without hesitation

i've heard stories of gougers doing it for the craic

Victor

The Tetrarch wrote: »

About time the country was run properly.
Sniper rifles with infra-red scopes for anyone who owns a uniform. :cool:

Bullying in school yards will suddenly be very different.

Quantum Erasure

Don't know much of th details on this, but I just heard on RTE that an amendment to the bill was passed by one vote, to make it illegal to 'evict' travellers from any site, not sure what other amendments were proposed, or passed.

Hotblack Desiato

NeinNeinNein wrote: »

To boost their social welfare entitlements if they are out of work due to a pandemic disease?

Work?

Big Gerry wrote: »

I can see them using these new laws against Dissident Republicans.

Unlikely, but anything that rids society of those vermin gets my vote

Beasty

Threads merged (#97)

Quantum Erasure

thanks Beasty, had a look but didn't see this one...

Atlantic Dawn

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Don't know much of th details on this, but I just heard on RTE that an amendment to the bill was passed by one vote, to make it illegal to 'evict' travellers from any site, not sure what other amendments were proposed, or passed.

Should be fun if they decide to take over a hospital car park.

Beasty

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Should be fun if they decide to take over a hospital car park.

Won't be any visitors parking there anyway....

Atlantic Dawn

Beasty wrote: »

Won't be any visitors parking there anyway....

But doctors and nurses might want to.

sporina

Q the deaths so far here in Ireland (RIP) - I understand that the patients wer all in a hospital or nursing home/long term care setting..
Does anyone know if these people wer already in those settings? I assume those in the nursing homes/long term care wer?
In any event - it looks like those settings are a big risk..
I am wondering though if the deceased contracted the virus in those settings? If so, thats v worrying.

paw patrol

Leg End Reject wrote: »

There seems to be posters here who would be happy to see people die if they could continue with their normal routine.

Did their parents not love them?

that's a bit much to say that .

it is an emergency but lets be honest if our normal system fails during times of trouble then it was a bag of sh1te to begin with.

I am concerned with these laws that they offer the state too much power into our lives. Sure it's an emergency but we still should have our freedoms.
The laws are scheduled to be removed afterward but lets see if they are or continue indefinitely - some temporary measures seem to hang about forever like PRSI !

It's worrying that people actually cheerlead this kinda stuff. trading bits of their freedom for supposed security.

Topdolla

Going to arrest people if they don't keep social distance and yet not one of them is doing it on the street walking the usual side by side, no ppe at all on street or in cars, I suspect a surge very soon within the force.. for example look at this on camera and not one of them has distance from each other.
https://m.facebook.com/rtenews/videos/2619098248378788/

Larbre34

I agree they should be wearing PPE at checkpoints and for on street interactions, but whats the point of them keeping their distance from each other? Each pairing and shift unit cannot fail to be close to each other, it'd be pointless to try.

easypazz

Topdolla wrote: »

Going to arrest people if they don't keep social distance and yet not one of them is doing it on the street walking the usual side by side, no ppe at all on street or in cars, I suspect a surge very soon within the force.. for example look at this on camera and not one of them has distance from each other.
https://m.facebook.com/rtenews/videos/2619098248378788/

Does this really need a thread?

The other guy could be 2 metres behind him and all the lads down along are spaced out.

Topdolla

Topdolla wrote: »

Going to arrest people

Which means the Gardai would be on top of each other anyway. What'd be the point of trying to maintain social distance. :rolleyes:

Topdolla

Deleted User wrote: »

Which means the Gardai would be on top of each other anyway. What'd be the point of trying to maintain social distance. :rolleyes:

Id say they do be on top of each other alright haha, but seriously it only takes one person to handcuff someone.