Hospitality Workers in Ireland

LuasSimon

With the greatest respect how are this group of people supposed to survive a number of weeks if not months without work. Many are not from Ireland and have little family support.
The vast majority are single people paid minimum wage or a few cent above it which equates to 400 a week roughly, pay a hundred a week to sleep on the floor with a few others in a bedroom, more if you want a bed ? , transport costs , feed themselves etc. They are unlikely to have much savings . Will this cohort of people be turfed out of their rooms by landlords?
Would some of these be as well off on the dole 200 a week plus their rent paid even as single people ?

Muahahaha

Was wondering the same last night. Many of them work 2 or 3 different jobs across cafes, pubs and Deliveroo /Just Eat deliveries. As you said they arent likely to have any savings but will still owe rent. Many wouldnt have the price of a flight home and even if they did finding a flight could be difficult. Also Im not sure if they're even entitled to the full dole as many are on student visas which only allow work 20 hours per week (even though they all do way more than this).

I dont know whats going to happen them but suspect it wont be nice. Also if they do all go home when this is over and back to some kind of normal we will a big shortage of available workers for pubs, cafes, deliveries, etc.

sabat

Their governments need to lay on flights to get them home asap. There's no way they can go into the social welfare/housing system and we can't have 10s of thousands of hungry foreigners roaming around.

LuasSimon

sabat wrote: »

Their governments need to lay on flights to get them home asap. There's no way they can go into the social welfare/housing system and we can't have 10s of thousands of hungry foreigners roaming around.

At the same time they have contributed and worked unlike a section of our own natives who have never worked a day in their lives all smokescreened under culture!

Nika Bolokov

There will probably be a huge public relief effort required in the coming days when the real scale of the number of people affected will be known.

Calls to just deport them all , despite being inhumane , make no sense. Should all the Irish all over the world be sent back here too ?

Not a time for the Gemma O'doherty fans. A time for human compassion.

SEPT 23 1989

I would say many will want to go home to be with their families during this time

Dj Stiggie

sabat wrote: »

Their governments need to lay on flights to get them home asap. There's no way they can go into the social welfare/housing system and we can't have 10s of thousands of hungry foreigners roaming around.

I work in the hospitality sector in another European country. We closed last Thursday and I've been here for 6 years. If they told me there was a plane waiting to take me back to Dublin instead of letting me avail of the package that all the other workers are availing of, I'd be really p*ssed.

Idbatterim

sabat wrote: »

Their governments need to lay on flights to get them home asap. There's no way they can go into the social welfare/housing system and we can't have 10s of thousands of hungry foreigners roaming around.

why shouldnt they get welfare? they are working and mostly studying here. have contributed far more than the legions of irish wasters here who have never paid a cent into the system!

the last bust, many just emigrated and it provided a release valve! it wont be quite as simple this time round. If there isnt the release valve of emigration and a large collapse, with the eye watering debt we now have. Last bust, national debt was very low AND we had the emigration release valve. Serious drop in living standard IF the **** hits the fan in a few months, if they get locked out of markets again. They will go for the borrowing option as much as possible, they always do. But when our debt is where it is, you would wonder if creditors will be forced to accept loses this time. Very interesting times ahead!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/english-language-students-told-they-will-not-receive-refund-1.4206016?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fenglish-language-students-told-they-will-not-receive-refund-1.4206016

look, if they get E203 week = E966.33 month, say a rent of E500. can they live on E115 week? yes... assuming no other debt. Bars, restaraunts etc are shut, you'd feed an army on E115 a week from aldi if you shop smart. The E115 they would have disposable a week, is probably more than they countries they are from pay out in welfare a month! (yes, they would have a lower cost of living)

sabat

OK blah blah blah. The minister just announced that 400,000 jobs are going to be lost and you people think it's feasible to bring all of these foreigners into the welfare system. Get out a calculator and use your brains. The country needs to cut down on the number of dependents-there will also be a huge number of Irish returning from countries with no backups that will need support. Reality has arrived.

Idbatterim

sabat wrote: »

OK blah blah blah. The minister just announced that 400,000 jobs are going to be lost and you people think it's feasible to bring all of these foreigners into the welfare system. Get out a calculator and use your brains. The country needs to cut down on the number of dependents-there will also be a huge number of Irish returning from countries with no backups that will need support. Reality has arrived.

oh I think it feasible and its the perfect excuses to overhault the banana republic welfare state we have!

no more free gp visits, rte license fee, xmas bonus, not bothering to pay your near free rent in your social housing already subsidised massively by these newly unemployed. they are the actual vulnerable. RTE can do one with the propaganda they have been putting out for years and the people lap up. When you do need to pay child care, commute, free house, guaranteed income, oh yeah , seriously vulnerable alright. Free travel, medical card! LOL!

hurikane

sabat wrote: »

OK blah blah blah. The minister just announced that 400,000 jobs are going to be lost and you people think it's feasible to bring all of these foreigners into the welfare system. Get out a calculator and use your brains. The country needs to cut down on the number of dependents-there will also be a huge number of Irish returning from countries with no backups that will need support. Reality has arrived.

What a horrible way to be. Disgusting thought process. These people have been working hard and deserve anything they can get. The government will borrow until we get this under control and open places back up, then they can get back to work.

I really hope you don’t have the misfortune to lose your job as a result of this.

Idbatterim

tens of thousands never worked a day in their lives, FCUK them out of the country and give the welfare to those that pay for the welfare state! including many of the foreigners here, working jobs that our own precious welfare careerists would touch!

build a pub, takeaway and bookies on some god foresaken island off the west coast and let them barter! see if the electric fences from jurassic park are available to buy!

TheIrishGrover

sabat wrote: »

OK blah blah blah. The minister just announced that 400,000 jobs are going to be lost and you people think it's feasible to bring all of these foreigners into the welfare system. Get out a calculator and use your brains. The country needs to cut down on the number of dependents-there will also be a huge number of Irish returning from countries with no backups that will need support. Reality has arrived.

These people have worked and paid their taxed and are genuinely (And I use this word intentionally) ENTITLED to claim assistance.

What should happen? They come, work in jobs other refuse, pay their taxes and then get shipped off? "Thanks, yiz done a great job. Wouldn'ta dun it meself. Sher I cud-int. I'm on Dis-bili-y meself y'know buh? Now, f*ck off yiz sponger"

Idbatterim

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

These people have worked and paid their taxed and are genuinely (And I use this word intentionally) ENTITLED to claim assistance.

What should happen? They come, work in jobs other refuse, pay their taxes and then get shipped off? "Thanks, yiz done a great job. Wouldn'ta dun it meself. Sher I cud-int. I'm on Dis-bili-y meself y'know buh? Now, f*ck off yiz sponger"

no no no. Margaret Cash and co and her 80k net income, should be protected at all costs...

Salary Negotiator

sabat wrote: »

OK blah blah blah. The minister just announced that 400,000 jobs are going to be lost and you people think it's feasible to bring all of these foreigners into the welfare system. Get out a calculator and use your brains. The country needs to cut down on the number of dependents-there will also be a huge number of Irish returning from countries with no backups that will need support. Reality has arrived.

They’ve paid into it so why shouldn’t they avail of it?

You seem to want to take their money and labour but then ship them out once things get difficult.

Dick move.

Junkyard Tom

At the moment the patient is in a coma (the economy). To keep the patient alive will require critical care (Universal Basic Income) and to bring them out of the coma will require a massive dose of medicine (liquidity).

Whatever happens the world will be very different, politically, after all this.

sabat

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

These people have worked and paid their taxed and are genuinely (And I use this word intentionally) ENTITLED to claim assistance.

People who came here on student visas are not entitled to any social welfare. Any tax they may have paid would be negated in a matter of weeks. These are facts. The country cannot afford to keep them here within the welfare system. Call me a "gemmaroid" or "alt-****e" or say how much you prefer "them" to local people all you want but that won't alter the reality of this situation.

Idbatterim

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

At the moment the patient is in a coma (the economy). To keep the patient alive will require critical care (Universal Basic Income) and to bring them out of the coma will require a massive dose of medicine (liquidity).

Whatever happens the world will be very different, politically, after all this.

the severity will massively depend on how long things are in near total lock down... Didnt they have a few billion in rainey day fund? if this is a few weeks and then things re-opening, a sharp sudden shock, might not be too bad if it goes on for a few weeks 6-8. Much longer and it becomes far more problematic. Government might be prepared to pay people to leave the country , a once off E1000 or so to cover flights and expenses etc. Would ease the housing crisis and paying out unemployment benefit etc...

Woke Hogan

sabat wrote: »

OK blah blah blah.

Grow up and learn how to use your words, you child.

LuasSimon

Idbatterim wrote: »

the severity will massively depend on how long things are in near total lock down... Didnt they have a few billion in rainey day fund? if this is a few weeks and then things re-opening, a sharp sudden shock, might not be too bad if it goes on for a few weeks 6-8. Much longer and it becomes far more problematic. Government might be prepared to pay people to leave the country , a once off E1000 or so to cover flights and expenses etc. Would ease the housing crisis and paying out unemployment benefit etc...

Maybe it’s time we got some of own parasites to go to some other country ... they do call themselves travellers after all ... be an appropriate time to travel somewhere to ease the welfare bill so that welfare is just to pay those who actually have worked previously and contributed to the economy rather than suck the tax payers dry

LuasSimon

LuasSimon wrote: »

Maybe it’s time we got some of own parasites to go to some other country ... they do call themselves travellers after all ... be an appropriate time to travel somewhere to ease the welfare bill so that welfare is just to pay those who actually have worked previously and contributed to the economy rather than suck the tax payers dry

Might not be any need. Doesn't this current virus largely affect people with underlying health issues?

From what I've seen, the travellers don't exactly come across as being very healthy.

TheIrishGrover

sabat wrote: »

People who came here on student visas are not entitled to any social welfare. Any tax they may have paid would be negated in a matter of weeks. These are facts. The country cannot afford to keep them here within the welfare system. Call me a "gemmaroid" or "alt-****e" or say how much you prefer "them" to local people all you want but that won't alter the reality of this situation.

So... So when they come here it's a case of: "them" coming over here and taking our jobs and/or "them" coming over here sponging of our welfare. If "they" stay in times like this they are a drain. If "they" leave they are running when times get tough
So, jobs needed to be done. Positions filled. Should they have not come over? Should the positions have remained unfilled?

And yet they should not be ENTITLED to any assistance, if required, by the state? If so then why should they pay that tax? Maybe they should pay about 300 euro tax. Enough for a deportation flight (Because that's what it would be). And then after that they shouldn't pay tax. Sound good? No. Maybe as part of their immigration they should hand this money over at the airport. Just in case the gestapo need to round them up (Add another 100 fee for that). Then pay NO PRSI. Why should they? That's not a rhetorical question. I'm actually curious.


As for preferring "them" to local people.... Not at all. Not in the slightest.... I just prefer "them" to bigots. It's as simple as that. The vast majority of my friends are, as you put it, "local". But there are many "local" people I do not like due to their bigotry. Just as there are many of "them" who are bigots too. I wouldn't be fond of "them" either.

It's not a case of "local" versus "them". It's a case of if a person is a decent human being or repellent.