Schools closed until undetermined date - was March 29th

ThewhiteJesus

C__MC wrote: »

Seriously deferring the JC until September in some form of classroom tests is utter nonsense

Surely it was more feasible to give predictive grades

The majority of the third years country have switched off from this evening,

It’s an evolving issue and not that simple, it’s only the JC after all it’s the Lc I feel sorry for

km79

Bobtheman wrote: »

It Is ASTI policy not to assess our own pupils for state examinations. I know you TUIs don't object to this but it's incredible how people assume that this major policy has just been thrown out. It hasn't.

"Do it for your country"

BrentMused

Hi all,

I appreciate it's extremely vague at the moment but I've an anxious teenager on my hands so was wondering your thoughts on the Junior Cert and the classroom based aspect of the testing.

What way do you think this work?

Any indication if they will be official/state exams? Corrected externally or by their current teachers? How long into the new school year will they take place? For example, will the students be back for a few weeks prior to commencing this classroom based exams and if so what will happen for current 3rd year students who are going into Transition Year?

Lots of questions and I know you're all probably in the dark as much as anyone else but would love your thoughts.

Bobtheman

km79 wrote: »

"Do it for your country"

Either the policy makes sense or is right or it isn't. They can send the assessments out. If asked to vote on abandoning the policy I won't be voting Yes.

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Bobtheman wrote: »

It Is ASTI policy not to assess our own pupils for state examinations. I know you TUIs don't object to this but it's incredible how people assume that this major policy has just been thrown out. It hasn't.

I have no problem correcting whatever bastardized version of the JC they come up with. I think 99% of teachers will make an exception on this particular occasion.

spurious

Don't understand why the JC could not run alongside the LC.
It is all set to go, with a different cohort of examiners.

ThewhiteJesus

BrentMused wrote: »

Hi all,

I appreciate it's extremely vague at the moment but I've an anxious teenager on my hands so was wondering your thoughts on the Junior Cert and the classroom based aspect of the testing.

What way do you think this work?

Any indication if they will be official/state exams? Corrected externally or by their current teachers? How long into the new school year will they take place? For example, will the students be back for a few weeks prior to commencing this classroom based exams and if so what will happen for current 3rd year students who are going into Transition Year?

Lots of questions and I know you're all probably in the dark as much as anyone else but would love your thoughts.

It’s too early but it’ll be like a mock x 2, no need for teen to be anxious it’s only the JC and I have 2 doing it going into transition, this was always coming

spurious

Icsics wrote: »

Surely the JC exams are printed & could be distributed to schools & sent off for marking, over a longer time. But it sounds like the JC will be class tests & be corrected by teachers?!

It couldn't possibly be to save money, could it? Surely not, in Irish education.

ThewhiteJesus

spurious wrote: »

It couldn't possibly be to save money, could it? Surely not, in Irish education.

I can’t believe that

randylonghorn

spurious wrote: »

Don't understand why the JC could not run alongside the LC.
It is all set to go, with a different cohort of examiners.

I suspect they're thinking they will still need social distancing, so draft JC supers in to help with LC / more centres.

Possibly draft in some (qualified) JC examiners too to correct LC more quickly overall.

Just my suspicion, mind you.

Bananaleaf

spurious wrote: »

Don't understand why the JC could not run alongside the LC.
It is all set to go, with a different cohort of examiners.

Exactly. I can't understand this either

jimmytwotimes 2013

spurious wrote: »

Don't understand why the JC could not run alongside the LC.
It is all set to go, with a different cohort of examiners.

Number of people in a building, or buildings, will need to social distance on their return, more difficult if JCs in with LCs

Millem

I will be on maternity leave in September.
I have two 3rd year groups......who is going to correct these “school based assessments”? I really hope the unions insist on them being sent out.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Millem wrote: »

I will be on maternity leave in September.
I have two 3rd year groups......who is going to correct these “school based assessments”? I really hope the unions insist on them being sent out.

My guess, summer tests, no state cert this year.

Millem

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

My guess, summer tests, no state cert this year.

My job is not being replaced.
Who Is expected to correct my class?
I am sure I am not the only one in this position.

Treppen

Very long and informative interview with Joe McHugh on rte 1 now.

She pinned him on why he didn't consult unions, and he said unions needed to consult their members which is a fair point... Although, consult them about what is the question?

r93kaey5p2izun

If the reason for no JC alongside the delayed LC is the need for social distancing, then that raises serious questions about how school could reopen fully just a couple of weeks later. If two year groups can't be managed in August, how can six year groups be managed in September?

deiseindublin

I don't think six year groups can open again in September tbh, it will be a challenge every step of the way to get back to 'normality'.

CraftySue

Minister said a number of times "schools are closed", and on education.ie it stated
School closures

Schools were closed on public health grounds at 6pm 12 March and remain closed until further notice.
Students have lost 15 classroom instruction days to date, since the closure of schools.

Does this mean online teaching hasn't been counted, Do we still continue with online teaching?

Deeper Blue

Do people have any idea how this will affect the college year starting in September?

Millem

CraftySue wrote: »

Minister said a number of times "schools are closed", and on education.ie it stated
School closures

Schools were closed on public health grounds at 6pm 12 March and remain closed until further notice.
Students have lost 15 classroom instruction days to date, since the closure of schools.

Does this mean online teaching hasn't been counted, Do we still continue with online teaching?

My thoughts exactly......

Millem

NDWC wrote: »

Do people have any idea how this will affect the college year starting in September?

It said it will be delayed

TheValeyard

CraftySue wrote: »

Minister said a number of times "schools are closed", and on education.ie it stated
School closures

Schools were closed on public health grounds at 6pm 12 March and remain closed until further notice.
Students have lost 15 classroom instruction days to date, since the closure of schools.

Does this mean online teaching hasn't been counted, Do we still continue with online teaching?

If this is true. And many of us have been working very hard with online teaching. Then summer holidays begin the Monday after the Easter break.

thefasteriwalk

BrentMused wrote: »

Hi all,

I appreciate it's extremely vague at the moment but I've an anxious teenager on my hands so was wondering your thoughts on the Junior Cert and the classroom based aspect of the testing.

What way do you think this work?

Any indication if they will be official/state exams? Corrected externally or by their current teachers? How long into the new school year will they take place? For example, will the students be back for a few weeks prior to commencing this classroom based exams and if so what will happen for current 3rd year students who are going into Transition Year?

Lots of questions and I know you're all probably in the dark as much as anyone else but would love your thoughts.

There’s a written statement available on examinations.ie. It seems to indicate that schools will be given the actual JC papers that students were due to sit in June. It seems that other elements, such as ATs, also need to be completed. It just is not clear who will be correcting them.

Random sample

thefasteriwalk wrote: »

There’s a written statement available on examinations.ie. It seems to indicate that schools will be given the actual JC papers that students were due to sit in June. It seems that other elements, such as ATs, also need to be completed. It just is not clear who will be correcting them.

There’s no way I will be wasting time on the AT if we are limited timewise.

thefasteriwalk

Random sample wrote: »

There’s no way I will be wasting time on the AT if we are limited timewise.

I know. Mine are half filled in, left gathering dust in my locker at work. They stopped mid sentence the day we finished up. There’s no way my group will be able to pick up in September where they left off in March. And they’ll be 5th years as we don’t have TY.

randylonghorn

randylonghorn wrote: »

I suspect they're thinking they will still need social distancing, so draft JC supers in to help with LC / more centres.

Possibly draft in some (qualified) JC examiners too to correct LC more quickly overall.

Just my suspicion, mind you.

SEC wrote:

Retaining all of the available space that was to be used for both sets of examinations will allow the SEC to significantly reduce the number of Leaving Certificate candidates in each examination centre.

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At all stages, the health and safety of candidates, examination superintendents, school staff and others involved in the delivery of the examinations system will be at the forefront of the SEC’s approach.

https://examinations.ie/misc-doc/EN-EX-59606118.pdf

Pursefan

3rdyrs have already switched off. I have a JC pupil here and she says it's all the talk with her friends. How on earth are we meant to keep them engaged now?? Clearly no practising teachers involved in this decision.

CraftySue

TheValeyard wrote: »

If this is true. And many of us have been working very hard with online teaching. Then summer holidays begin the Monday after the Easter break.

That's what I'm wondering, a journalist asked him "could we take it that all other students (non LC) would not be back until September, and he said no, no, I would not say that. Leaving Certs will likely be in to finish practical projects in July and need teacher supervision, as well as exam prep for all other subjects.

TheDriver

There was a letter from Sean Foley, DESk a few weeks back about the days being counted as school days etc etc.