Why is there a lack of media coverage of the Redress:Breaking the Silence Documentary

stockshares

Why is there a lack of media coverage of the Redress:Breaking the Silence Documentary on Rte 1.

Are Journalists sticking up for their Political backers.

It's shocking that Bertie Aherns Government indemnified the Religious orders from Prosecution and capped the amount of compensation they had to pay and never ensured that the Orders paid this compensation.

Lack of coverage in most Online newspapers and very little on Twitter about it.

Floppybits

I seen that on Twitter and was wondering why I couldn't find anything on it. Wasn't Michael Martin part of the government at that time?

stockshares

Floppybits wrote: »

I seen that on Twitter and was wondering why I couldn't find anything on it. Wasn't Michael Martin part of the government at that time?

Yes he was.Mary Hanaffin too. Michael Woods also. Brian Cowen etc detc

Here's the cast of the 1999 gov
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_28th_D%C3%A1il

Other Govs before and after.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_cabinets_since_1919

This is shocking. The ways the state are covering up what happened in the Religious orders, Mother and Baby Homes and both Legal and Illegal Adoptions.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0503/1047282-10-ways-institutional-abuse-details-are-still-being-kept-secret/

TheValeyard

To be fair, most of the country is rightly focused on the worldwide spread of the corona virus. Not saying this does not deserve attention. But their are some real big world wide problems going on right now that may directly effect this country and its people.

Quantum Erasure

Flicked past it last night on TV, thought it was a repeat...

stockshares

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Flicked past it last night on TV, thought it was a repeat...

No, original Doc was called States of Fear. Think it came out in late 90s and led to Inquiries.

stockshares

TheValeyard wrote: »

To be fair, most of the country is rightly focused on the worldwide spread of the corona virus. Not saying this does not deserve attention. But their are some real big world wide problems going on right now that may directly effect this country and its people.

That's understandable but I don't think William and Kates visit is that important.

stockshares

Btw the 2nd episode is on tonight.

Acosta

TheValeyard wrote: »

To be fair, most of the country is rightly focused on the worldwide spread of the corona virus. Not saying this does not deserve attention. But their are some real big world wide problems going on right now that may directly effect this country and its people.

It's nice of The Irish Independent to make their Shinner bashing accessible for all visitors to their site, while putting important health information regarding the corona virus behind a paywall.

walshb

Watched it last night..

Hard to believe that we had, what was pretty much concentration camps on this island for many years....

The adults involved in this depraved and sadistic torture of helpless and innocent children....makes my heart bleed. What utterly evil and disgusting human beings to inflict such pain and cruelty...

stockshares

Acosta wrote: »

It's nice of The Irish Independent to make their Shinner bashing accessible for all visitors to their site, while putting important health information regarding the corona virus behind a paywall.

Stupid thing to do but considering the info is provided by Ciara Kelly were probably better off.

stockshares

walshb wrote: »

Watched it last night..

Hard to believe that we had, what was pretty much concentration camps on this island for many years....

The adults involved in this depraved and sadistic torture of helpless and innocent children....makes my heart bleed. What utterly evil and disgusting human beings to inflict such pain and cruelty...

It would make you wonder why TD Joe McHugh would propose sealing these records for 75 years.

Who are the Politicians protecting?

You would think that they would have empathy for the people who experienced the abuse. Instead they cover it up so that Peadophiles can get away with it.

One can only presume that Politicians were either committing abuses on these kids also and/or had placed kids into these Institutions themselves after fathering children outside marriage.

FrancieBrady

They should have their photos taken with party leaders on the steps of the Dáil. You know those politicians that are oh so concerned about victims.

Raconteuse

Are tv programmes always news? Not sure all media outlets are backing the government of the day either.

stockshares

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They should have their photos taken with party leaders on the steps of the Dáil. You know those politicians that are oh so concerned about victims.

What would this achieve?

suicide_circus

stockshares wrote: »

What would this achieve?

political points

take everything

Watched some of it last night.

Depressing how people's lives can be blighted by this ****. Because of whatever twist of fate, they end up being preyed on for most of their young lives.

You think how lucky you are not to have the same fate.

And you come away thinking how could this happen. Institutionalised abuse. What's wrong with people.

It is because from the 1990s onwards this scandal was unearthed, its a long time ago, about 10 to 12 years ago the Ryan report came out and about 5 or 6 years ago the Tuam scandal came out.

It a weird thing from RTE that they seem to need to show or document constant outrage about Irish society.

It can never be made right for the victiums so I dont know what documentrys like this achive.

James Brown

TheValeyard wrote: »

To be fair, most of the country is rightly focused on the worldwide spread of the corona virus. Not saying this does not deserve attention. But their are some real big world wide problems going on right now that may directly effect this country and its people.

Yet we'd an article yesterday about Varadkar's meanderings on SF TD's personal incomes.

stockshares

mariaalice wrote: »

It is because from the 1990s onwards this scandal was unearthed, its a long time ago, about 10 to 12 years ago the Ryan report came out and about 5 or 6 years ago the Tuam scandal came out.

It a weird thing from RTE that they seem to need to show or document constant outrage about Irish society.

It can never be made right for the victiums so I dont know what documentrys like this achive.

The abuse can't be undone but getting justice for the abused can still be achieved.

It just needs political will.

The church must have something on the political parties.

It's not weird by RTE at all. Do you suggest it should be swept under the carpet and the abused should just put up with it and shut up?

Sleeper12

Liveline did a whole program on it today and Ray D'Arcy spoke about it. Hardly a media blackout

stockshares

stockshares wrote: »

The abuse can't be undone but getting justice for the abused can still be achieved.

It just needs political will.

The church must have something on the political parties.

It's not weird by RTE at all. Do you suggest it should be swept under the carpet and the abused should just put up with it and shut up?

Of course not.

ILoveYourVibes

stockshares wrote: »

It's shocking that Bertie Aherns Government indemnified the Religious orders from Prosecution and capped the amount of compensation they had to pay and never ensured that the Orders paid this compensation.

Its not. Several people of importance in Ireland have made money off the church. The govt inc. They still will. And the church wields a lot of power.

The fact that Ahern did this is simply par of the course and shows the dark character of the man.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its not. Several people of importance in Ireland have made money off the church. The govt inc. They still will. And the church wields a lot of power.

The fact that Ahern did this is simply par of the course and shows the dark character of the man.

Have you an exampel of how the church wields a lot of power in 2020 Ireland?

ILoveYourVibes

stockshares wrote: »

The abuse can't be undone but getting justice for the abused can still be achieved.

It just needs political will.

The church must have something on the political parties.

It's not weird by RTE at all. Do you suggest it should be swept under the carpet and the abused should just put up with it and shut up?

No but most of the victims are older people. They won't be around forever.

So if we don't remember it. It will be forgotten and that is EXACTLY what the state and the Church want the Irish people to do.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No but most of the victims are older people. They won't be around forever.

So if we don't remember it. It will be forgotten and that is EXACTLY what the state and the Church want the Irish people to do.

Why though? the politicians and civil servants who were in power at the time are most likely dead or very elderly the same with the religious.

I am curious about this do people think there is a conspiracy involving the government or power of for power's sake al la Foucault.

It is much more likely to indifference and neglect of individuals who because of poverty has little influence in society.

James Brown

stockshares wrote: »

The abuse can't be undone but getting justice for the abused can still be achieved.

It just needs political will.

The church must have something on the political parties.

It's not weird by RTE at all. Do you suggest it should be swept under the carpet and the abused should just put up with it and shut up?

FF/FG played defense for the church during the whole period.

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

FF/FG played defense for the church during the whole period.

Have you an example of that at a corporate level not individual cranks who supported the church?.

I know someone who left the catholic church over the Ryan report and they wroth to Diarmuid Martin and told him so.

L1011

Irish Times covered it this morning

Broadcasters try to avoid covering rival broadcasters news / current affairs content out of spite

stockshares

In tonight's episode survivor John Prior was allowed to be questioned by the Christian Brothers at his meeting with the Redress Board. They were the Religious Order who abused him.

Who the hell allowed that to happen?

Btw Tusla are also proposing allowing perpetrators cross examine their victims. I'll upload a link after the programme.

No perpetrators were ever named or convicted from the Ryan report.

PressRun

Fianna Fail's paws are all over it.

bonaparte2

mariaalice wrote: »

Have you an exampel of how the church wields a lot of power in 2020 Ireland?

they run the primary and secondary education systems through patronage boards

walshb

That 2009 clip of Michael O’Brien is very tough viewing.

I remember it when it happened..

Very tough on the panel as well..

I mean, those men weren’t even born or adults when that horror happened...

stockshares

Powerful piece where a survivor questioned Noel Dempsey on Questions and Answers.

He basically said that the Gov could freeze the assets of the Orders if they had the will to do it.

There 382 million outstanding.

Considering the history of these orders how could the gov allow the Sisters of Charity to take over the new At Vincent's Hospital.

stockshares

Powerful piece where a survivor questioned Noel Dempsey on Questions and Answers.

He basically said that the Gov could freeze the assets of the Orders if they had the will to do it.

There 382 million outstanding.

Considering the history of these orders how could the gov allow the Sisters of Charity to take over the new St Vincent's Hospital.

walshb

And very sad to hear that Mr. Sweeney inflicted physical cruelty and beatings to his own children...

It can go two ways. You either become like your abusers, or you abhore it..

stockshares

In that clip on Q+A Leo Varadkar was sitting on the panel in 1999. He's had a chance to correct this and done nothing.

These parties are all right wing ultra conservatives.

splinter65

stockshares wrote: »

That's understandable but I don't think William and Kates visit is that important.

It’s actually very very important in the wake of Brexit which is the next big crisis this country has to face after Corona or possibly along with corona.
We desperately need British tourists to know that they are very welcome here never mind what has happened or what will happen. We will need them even more when the corona virus has destroyed this year and possibly next years tourism business in Ireland.
The RCC scandals have been done to death at this stage. A lot of young people know absolutely nothing about it and have no interest in it whatsoever. RTÉ are flogging a dead horse at this stage.

I watched tonight. I don’t really know what to say as I could never imagine what all those people went, and are still going through.

What is the locking files away for 75 years about?

bonaparte2

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s actually very very important in the wake of Brexit which is the next big crisis this country has to face after Corona or possibly along with corona.
We desperately need British tourists to know that they are very welcome here never mind what has happened or what will happen. We will need them even more when the corona virus has destroyed this year and possibly next years tourism business in Ireland.
The RCC scandals have been done to death at this stage. A lot of young people know absolutely nothing about it and have no interest in it whatsoever. RTÉ are flogging a dead horse at this stage.

what absolute nonsense. They want to seal the records for seventy five years? Why? Whats the necessity of that beyond a cover up. Corruption happening in plain sight. The same as Wood's corrupt deal as part of the Ahern administration. The same as the corrupt relationship , still alive and well between the Catholic Church , running large parts of education and health in this country and the so called Republic

MrMusician18

L1011 wrote: »

Irish Times covered it this morning

Broadcasters try to avoid covering rival broadcasters news / current affairs content out of spite

That doesn't explain the lack of chatter on Twitter or why this thread is only three pages long.

The truth is there isn't a media blackout on this story, but an interest blackout. Abuse in industrial schools is a story that is almost 30 years old at this stage, so this documentary is unlikely to throw up anything new.

stockshares

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I watched tonight. I don’t really know what to say as I could never imagine what all those people went, and are still going through.

What is the locking files away for 75 years about?

I don't understand why Joe McHugh proposed this. I can't understand the thinking behind it. It serves no purpose unless it's a blatant cover up and protects some corrupt Politicians.

I can't see how making the records public would negatively affect the state, as if Joe McHugh gives s damn about the state anyway.

Why would he care about this so much that he proposes sealing records for 75 years.

bonaparte2

Its the same scheming as the muzzle clause dropped in at the last minute in the Redress Bill. The same scheming that allowed Michael Woods to do a dirty deal which preserved the assets of the guilty and cost the taxpayer a billion.

splinter65

bonaparte2 wrote: »

what absolute nonsense. They want to seal the records for seventy five years? Why? Whats the necessity of that beyond a cover up. Corruption happening in plain sight. The same as Wood's corrupt deal as part of the Ahern administration. The same as the corrupt relationship , still alive and well between the Catholic Church , running large parts of education and health in this country and the so called Republic

There’s people all over Ireland going to bed tonight who’s livelihoods (and for some people their actual lives) are threatened by the corona virus and Brexit and your enjoying the luxury of indulging in tinfoil hat level pointless speculation leading ....where?

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s people all over Ireland going to bed tonight who’s livelihoods (and for some people their actual lives) are threatened by the corona virus and Brexit and your enjoying the luxury of indulging in tinfoil hat level pointless speculation leading ....where?

There are still people who are alive who are directly affected by this... You're treating it as something that should be forgotten about. It is perfectly possible to worry about the Coronavirus and Brexit while also questioning how this was handled... A bit of compassion for the victims wouldn't go astray.

Very very powerful stuff , extremely moving . Those people’s lives deeply affected if not destroyed , you could see it in every single face . Shameful

bonaparte2

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s people all over Ireland going to bed tonight who’s livelihoods (and for some people their actual lives) are threatened by the corona virus and Brexit and your enjoying the luxury of indulging in tinfoil hat level pointless speculation leading ....where?

Well , don't seal the archives, let the matter sit and then examine, and prosecute child rapists , still at large , still protected by the catholic church.

The church has silenced the victims for decades. When do you suggest the police should investigate child rapes?

MrMusician18

stockshares wrote: »

I don't understand why Joe McHugh proposed this. I can't understand the thinking behind it. It serves no purpose unless it's a blatant cover up and protects some corrupt Politicians.

I can't see how making the records public would negatively affect the state, as if Joe McHugh gives s damn about the state anyway.

Why would he care about this so much that he proposes sealing records for 75 years.

If the documentary makers wanted to answer that question they could've. The tribunal didn't make findings of fact unlike a trial, therefore is is not possible to publish allegations as fact especially ones that could be disputed. It was also set up in a way where the participants expected confidentiality.


The reason the redress board was set up was because forcing victims to go to trial for justice would likely see none of them actually getting justice, since the beyond reasonable doubt standard would be too hard to achieve.

noodler

Raconteuse wrote: »

Are tv programmes always news? Not sure all media outlets are backing the government of the day either.

Fair point.

And why would politicians (a caretaker gov in fact) have to gain from protecting people and incidents from before many of them were alive?

Likely no conspiracy.

I'll wait for the OP to ask me who I serve now

stockshares

Deleted User wrote: »

There are still people who are alive who are directly affected by this... You're treating it as something that should be forgotten about. It is perfectly possible to worry about the Coronavirus and Brexit while also questioning how this was handled... A bit of compassion for the victims wouldn't go astray.

Well said

PressRun

There are victims who are still alive who were affected by this abuse and who have never received proper justice. There are politicians who are still active in Irish politics who were involved in the cover up and actively prevented victims from receiving justice. One of them even wants to be Taoiseach. There are documents that certain people want sealed for 75 years.

This is the biggest scandal in the history of the state. Our version of concentration camps. Horrific violence against women and children on a mass scale that was aided and abetted by the state. And the victims suffer to this day because of a lack of accountability. There are still victims who aren't even accounted for. Children who disappeared without a trace. Children who died from "illness" and were buried in unmarked graves. People who have had to live with this trauma and have never seen justice.

This country hasn't even truly reckoned with the extent to which we have abused and discarded vulnerable people. The way we have consistently treated children appallingly over decades. We still have a shockingly dysfunctional social services system. TUSLA is a disgrace and more scandals will emerge from there in time.

That anyone would view this as something we should brush aside and forget about when we haven't even properly dealt with this and the legacy of it is still being felt is ridiculous.