'Shock Poll' Sinn Fein now on 35%

Muahahaha

Pretty unbelievable numbers coming out of the Sunday Times Behaviour and Attitudes poll in tomorrows newspaper

Sinn Fein 35% (up 10%)
Fianna Fail 20% (down 2%)
Fine Gael 18% (down 3%)

I guess lots of people werent intimidated by those Sinn Fein public meetings like Leo said because they've only gone and added another 10% to their general election result. That strongly suggests there is a cohort of people out there who didnt vote for Sinn Fein in the recent election but now wish that they did and they will do so if given another opportunity.

I'd say this poll will have alarm bells going off in FF and FG headquarters tonight and from Monday we will see them both scrambling to get into government together ASAP. Because if theres another election due to both of them refusing to marry up on the basis of civil war politics then their polling numbers will go even further down the toilet.

RWCNT

Will soon shake your windows and rattle your walls, cos the tiiimes, they are a changin'

IAMAMORON

Muahahaha wrote: »

Pretty unbelievable numbers coming out of the Sunday Times Behaviour and Attitudes poll

Sinn Fein 35% (up 10%)
Fianna Fail 20% (down 2%)
Fine Gael 18% (down 3%)

I guess lots of people werent intimidated by those Sinn Fein public meetings like Leo said, they've only gone and added another 10% to their general election result. That suggests a cohort of people who didnt vote for Sinn Fein but now wish that they did

This poll will have alarm bells going off in FF and FG headquarters and from Monday we will see them both scrambling to get into government together ASAP. Because if theres another election due to both of them refusing to marry up on the basis of civil war politics then their polling numbers will go even further down the toilet.

Textbook PR spin to allow both to get into government.

dxhound2005

Is this the poll from 10 days ago, or is it a new one?

Plumbthedepths

Just going to open a bag of popcorn..... meltdowns incoming.

Plumbthedepths

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is this the poll from 10 days ago, or is it a new one?

New one.

Jinglejangle69

This is great!!

Shows the need for SF to follow through on their word and form a left wing government!!

dxhound2005

Muahahaha wrote: »

Pretty unbelievable numbers coming out of the Sunday Times Behaviour and Attitudes poll in tomorrows newspaper

Sinn Fein 35% (up 10%)
Fianna Fail 20% (down 2%)
Fine Gael 18% (down 3%)

I guess lots of people werent intimidated by those Sinn Fein public meetings like Leo said because they've only gone and added another 10% to their general election result. That strongly suggests there is a cohort of people out there who didnt vote for Sinn Fein in the recent election but now wish that they did and they will do so if given another opportunity.

I'd say this poll will have alarm bells going off in FF and FG headquarters tonight and from Monday we will see them both scrambling to get into government together ASAP. Because if theres another election due to both of them refusing to marry up on the basis of civil war politics then their polling numbers will go even further down the toilet.

Since you don't believe the numbers, what do you think the real ones are?

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

This is great!!

Shows the need for SF to follow through on their word and form a left wing government!!

Numbers ain't there but you have been told that on multiple threads.

PopePalpatine

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Textbook PR spin to allow both to get into government.

I wonder how many FF/FG voters chose SF in this poll just to light a fire under their arses.

Jinglejangle69

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Numbers ain't there but you have been told that on multiple threads.

Did you tell Mary Lou that?????

She told us she was trying to form a government with other left wing parties.

Are you calling her a liar???

You just said the numbers aren't there.

You or Mary Lou are obviously spoofing.

Which one is it?

Odhinn

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did you tell Mary Lou that?????

She told us she was trying to form a government with other left wing parties.

Are you calling her a liar???

You just said the numbers aren't there.

You or Mary Lou are obviously spoofing.

Which one is it?

You might spare us the intellectual dishonesty.

suicide_circus

there has to be another election, let SF get their full mandate and they'll have the country fixed in no time.

L1011

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did you tell Mary Lou that?????

She told us she was trying to form a government with other left wing parties.

Are you calling her a liar???

You just said the numbers aren't there.

You or Mary Lou are obviously spoofing.

Which one is it?

Mary Lou is, always has been, and always will be spoofing.

Ex FFer that jumped to something that could get her elected.

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did you tell Mary Lou that?????

She told us she was trying to form a government with other left wing parties.

Are you calling her a liar???

You just said the numbers aren't there.

You or Mary Lou are obviously spoofing.

Which one is it?

Are you going to just parrot everything the FG talking heads say?

The Satanist

L1011 wrote: »

Mary Lou is, always has been, and always will be spoofing.

As opposed to Micheál ****in Martin with bonus hand movements, and Leo the nothing man. Great.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did you tell Mary Lou that?????

She told us she was trying to form a government with other left wing parties.

Are you calling her a liar???

You just said the numbers aren't there.

You or Mary Lou are obviously spoofing.

Which one is it?

Come back when she actually forms a government and tell us who’s spoofing then. PS: it won’t happen

Zaph

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did you tell Mary Lou that?????

She told us she was trying to form a government with other left wing parties.

Are you calling her a liar???

You just said the numbers aren't there.

You or Mary Lou are obviously spoofing.

Which one is it?

She may be trying, but please enlighten us as to where her government is coming from based on these numbers (and assuming all are willing to row in with SF):

Sinn Féin 37
Green Party 12
Labour Party 6
Social Democrats 6
Solidarity–People Before Profit 5
Independents 4 Change 1

TOTAL 67

So who from the following is going to bump up her numbers to the magical 80?

Fianna Fáil 37
Fine Gael 35
Aontú 1
Independent 19
Ceann Comhairle 1

Maybe Peadar Toibin will come back into the fold, but she'd still need a dozen independents to join in, and very few, if any of them are what you would consider left wing.

Jinglejangle69

Zaph wrote: »

She may be trying, but please enlighten us as to where her government is coming from based on these numbers (and assuming all are willing to row in with SF):

Sinn Féin 37
Green Party 12
Labour Party 6
Social Democrats 6
Solidarity–People Before Profit 5
Independents 4 Change 1

TOTAL 67

So who from the following is going to bump up her numbers to the magical 80?

Fianna Fáil 37
Fine Gael 35
Aontú 1
Independent 19
Ceann Comhairle 1

Maybe Peadar Toibin will come back into the fold, but she'd still need a dozen independents to join in, and very few, if any of them are what you would consider left wing.

So she's lying to us all.

Thanks for clearing that up.

baldbear

These numbers mean nothing.FF have the most seats.SF second and can't form a government.
FF/FG will do a deal and see the next 5 years out.

pjohnson

Odhinn wrote: »

You might spare us the intellectual dishonesty.

It appears to be not be dishonesty. The poster genuinely seems to struggle to understand how a government is actually formed.


When they are old enough to vote they will hopefully know!

Zaph

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So she's lying to us all.

Thanks for clearing that up.

No, that's not what I said. What I actually said if you care to read my post properly is that she may well be trying, but the numbers simply aren't there for her to succeed. But if you can demonstrate otherwise from the figures above, then please do.

Jinglejangle69

Zaph wrote: »

No, that's not what I said. What I actually said if you care to read my post properly is that she may well be trying, but the numbers simply aren't there for her to succeed. But if you can demonstrate otherwise from the figures above, then please do.

Why is she trying if the numbers aren't there?

Is she bad at maths or something?

You can see it but she can't.

What are you trying to say?

StupidLikeAFox

baldbear wrote: »

These numbers mean nothing.FF have the most seats.SF second and can't form a government.
FF/FG will do a deal and see the next 5 years out.

FF and SF are equal now I think because thev CC has been elected

StupidLikeAFox

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why is she trying if the numbers aren't there?

Is she bad at maths or something?

You can see it but she can't.

What are you trying to say?

She is posturing, in public at least, they all are at this stage.

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why is she trying if the numbers aren't there?

Is she bad at maths or something?

You can see it but she can't.

What are you trying to say?

It has been acknowledged by members of the SF party that they can't form a government without FF or FG.
This has been said multiple times in the media on threads such as this Fergus O'Dowd (FG) got chastised for behaving in the same manner as you on the Tonight show on Thursday . Yet here you repeating the same pathetic bs that every FG party representative has said since the election. Any original thoughts yourself?

maccored

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why is she trying if the numbers aren't there?

Is she bad at maths or something?

You can see it but she can't.

What are you trying to say?

the public must disagree with her ... no hang on ...

Jinglejangle69

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It has been acknowledged by members of the SF party that they can't form a government without FF or FG.
This has been said multiple times in the media on threads such as this Fergus O'Dowd (FG) got chastised for behaving in the same manner as you on the Tonight show on Thursday . Yet here you repeating the same pathetic bs that every FG party representative has said since the election. Any original thoughts yourself?

So why did Mary Lou tell us all she will try form a government without FFG and is still saying it????

Can you not see you are basically backing up that she was and is lying??

dxhound2005

The Rest are down 5%, a natural expectation since SF would have picked up some of those seats if they had ran more candidates. Given the margin of error that could be 8% or 2%. They are getting the other 5% from FF and FG, and again with the margin of error that could be higher or lower.

Every way around the problematical group are the Rest who got 50 seats. If SF get 50 and they get 40 in a new election, there will still be no government formation for SF. Because if SF and the other two big parties go to the country on the basis that they cannot agree a government, then they will still not be able to agree a government, with so many of the seats going to the Rest. Especially as is certain, Labour who are part of the Rest will not join any government.

McMurphy

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

FF and SF are equal now I think because thev CC has been elected

Will the cc even be there in the next few days?

If nobody will go in with SF, then FF and FG should just get it done. SF can't get a government together.

Keep the economy ticking along as is and sort out housing and most people will be reasonably happy. No one government will sort out health but hopefully some changes can be made, add more beds etc.

RandomViewer

baldbear wrote: »

These numbers mean nothing.FF have the most seats.SF second and can't form a government.
FF/FG will do a deal and see the next 5 years out.

Ceann comhairle can't vote and if the allegations that he wrote a letter of good character for a paedo I don't think he's going to be around for long

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So why did Mary Lou tell us all she will try form a government without FFG and is still saying it????

Can you not see you are basically backing up that she was and is lying??

I am after telling you that SF members have acknowledged that government formation without FF or FG is impossible. Eoin O Broin is on record of saying this. I suggest you actually take the time to read what is posted instead of making up stuff that you think was said.

RandomViewer

6 wrote: »

If nobody will go in with SF, then FF and FG should just get it done. SF can't get a government together.

Keep the economy ticking along as is and sort out housing and most people will be reasonably happy. No one government will sort out health but hopefully some changes can be made, add more beds etc.

FG won't sort housing, would burn down every local authority house if the could,

McMurphy

Tomorrow's sindo apparently is to reveal that the shinners created Corona virus.

Jinglejangle69

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I am after telling you that SF members have acknowledged that government formation without FF or FG is impossible. Eoin O Broin is on record of saying this. I suggest you actually take the time to read what is posted instead of making up stuff that you think was said.

I heard Mary Lou 2 days ago saying she is trying to form a government without FF and FG.

Once again ill ask you, if the numbers aren't there why is she still trying to do this?

Is she bad at maths or is she lying?

Please answer my question.

baldbear

Mary Lou has to be seen as trying to form a government without the FF/Fg brigade. Everyone knows it's BS and won't happen.
Options are a SF/FF government (won't happen)
Another election (won't happen as FF/FG know this will lead to more SF seats and no easy government formation.
Or a deal with FF/FF with a few yes men (easily bought) that will last the full term. Now when this happens we will see a lot of goodies that these guys will hope will bring back some voters from SF. Maybe even a rent freeze?

dxhound2005

RandomViewer wrote: »

FG won't sort housing, would burn down every local authority house if the could,

They had 10 years to burn them down, and they failed miserably.

Census of Population 2016 - Profile 1 Housing in Ireland

Tenure & Rent

Changes in Rent, Home Ownership and Mortgages
Rented households approach the half million mark
Rented accommodation has continued its upward trend with 497,111 households renting, an increase of 4.7 per cent on 2011. This meant that renting was the tenure status for almost 30 per cent of all of occupied dwellings in the last census.

Renting from a local authority showed the largest increase, up 11 per cent from 129,033 in 2011 to 143,178 in 2016. The number of households which were rented either from a private landlord or voluntary body rose by 2 per cent from 320,319 in 2011 to 326,493 in 2016.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I heard Mary Lou 2 days ago saying she is trying to form a government without FF and FG.

Once again ill ask you, if the numbers aren't there why is she still trying to do this?

Is she bad at maths or is she lying?

Please answer my question.

Both.

Jinglejangle69

baldbear wrote: »

Mary Lou has to be seen as trying to form a government without the FF/Fg brigade. Everyone knows it's BS and won't happen.
Options are a SF/FF government (won't happen)
Another election (won't happen as FF/FG know this will lead to more SF seats and no easy government formation.
Or a deal with FF/FF with a few yes men (easily bought) that will last the full term. Now when this happens we will see a lot of goodies that these guys will hope will bring back some voters from SF. Maybe even a rent freeze?

So she's lying to the electorate.

Thanks for clearing that up.

maccored

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I heard Mary Lou 2 days ago saying she is trying to form a government without FF and FG.

Once again ill ask you, if the numbers aren't there why is she still trying to do this?

Is she bad at maths or is she lying?

Please answer my question.

theres this thing I do called 'thinking'. When I do that, I can see what she's saying - basically a left leading government.

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I heard Mary Lou 2 days ago saying she is trying to form a government without FF and FG.

Once again ill ask you, if the numbers aren't there why is she still trying to do this?

Is she bad at maths or is she lying?

Please answer my question.

You seem to have some sort of weird fetish for Mary Lou, I suggest you contact her constituency office and pose your questions to her . I don't speak for her . I have already as have many other posters told you the numbers ain't there for her to form a government. Now if I have used any big words you don't understand ask an adult to simplify it for you.

Jinglejangle69

maccored wrote: »

theres this thing I do called 'thinking'. When I do that, I can see what she's saying - basically a left leading government.

Are the numbers there for that?

baldbear

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So she's lying to the electorate.

Thanks for clearing that up.

She's not lying. But look I'm going to be a millionaire if possible by 2021.

RandomViewer

RandomViewer wrote: »

FG won't sort housing, would burn down every local authority house if the could,

If they don't try they'll be destroyed next election, so imo there'll be a house building boom the next 3 or 4 years.

Jinglejangle69

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You seem to have some sort of weird fetish for Mary Lou, I suggest you contact her constituency office and pose your questions to her . I don't speak for her . I have already as have many other posters told you the numbers ain't there for her to form a government. Now if I have used any big words you don't understand ask an adult to simplify it for you.

So you can't answer my question so you resort to insults.

As I said she has lied and is still lying by stating she's trying to form a government without FF and FG.

Because as you have just said, it's impossible.

That's your words.

I think that's settled unless you want to throw anymore insults my way?

maccored

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are the numbers there for that?

a left leading government? ie - are there more people in a SF lead left grouping than FF or FG?

Were you saying Mary Lou couldnt do maths?

dxhound2005

baldbear wrote: »

Mary Lou has to be seen as trying to form a government without the FF/Fg brigade. Everyone knows it's BS and won't happen.
Options are a SF/FF government (won't happen)
Another election (won't happen as FF/FG know this will lead to more SF seats and no easy government formation.
Or a deal with FF/FF with a few yes men (easily bought) that will last the full term. Now when this happens we will see a lot of goodies that these guys will hope will bring back some voters from SF. Maybe even a rent freeze?

That would be the 14 Greens. Maybe not so easily bought.

RandomName2

RWCNT wrote: »

Will soon shake your windows and rattle your walls, cos the tiiimes, they are a changin'

About as impressive a rise as that of the NSDAP going from 18.25% to 37.27% in 18 months on the back of anger at the fat cat bankers and exhaustion of patience with the out of touch politicians. The media will bring up their violent past, but the public will be able to look beyond these lies and deceptions for houses, fair wages, and the long awaited return of the free city of Derry.

maccored

RandomName2 wrote: »

The media will bring up their violent past, but the public will be able to

"... recognise bull**** when they hear it"

ted1

What exactly is a, Behaviour and Attitudes pill?

Never heard of it before ?

Three things.,

FG don’t care what happens would like to see a SF government fail and be revealed as charlatans, this removing them as a good alternative.

SF want to manipulate the vote to pretend they have more than a 1 in 4 mandate

In a second vote, the 35% that stayed at home could change the outcome significantly.