I'm Never Voting Sinn Fein Again!!

Zico

They're all talk.

They talk a lot but not to anyone that could make a difference to people's lives.

Come on we've given you the ball what are you going to do?

votecounts

Zico wrote: »

They're all talk.

They talk a lot but not to anyone that could make a difference to people's lives.

Come on we've given you the ball what are you going to do?

what did you want them to do, the only way to form a govt is with the support of ff or fg, can't see that happening. If you support them, you would already know this and not be using it as a reason to bash them. Another election is my prediction.

CinemaGuy45

Stop the press some random poster on some forum is never voting for a political party again.:D

banie01

Before they can do anything, they, indeed any of the political parties wanting to lead, have to be able to nominate a Taoiseach, form a government and command the support of a majority of the house.

How is it the fault of Sinn Fein, or any of the other parties on the 22-24% mark, that they cannot build enough consensus to do that?

Sinn Fein need to build support across the left, there seems to be a belief that because Sinn Fein won the "popular" vote they are obligated to lead and that as they led the left wave, that all the left leaning TDs should by default follow Mary Lou's lead?

That's not how the system works, if they can't form a government...
Tough.

If they can, they will fairly quickly learn the reality of dealing with public finances and the civil service.

Sinn Fein haven't failed, they promised change, they will try no doubt to deliver some of it.
Unless however, they can gain coalition support or indeed grow their number of seats in a rerun election!

Just what do you expect them to do with a 4th of the seats?
What do they owe your vote, that current political reality will allow them deliver?

Fred Cryton

The real question is why the millennials ever voted for a bunch of semi-literates in the first place.

I'm thinking they're just spoiled. Booming economy, rising wages and full employment not good enough for ye? Want to return to the days of emigration is it?

As well as ignorant of a party where members stand up and applause a man known to have murdered a Guard.

Dravokivich

The age range for millennial spans 30 to 45.

Idbatterim

funny that, I am never voting FG after 2011 and 2016, the fraud that is Varadkar represents the dole warriors more than early risers!

votecounts

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The real question is why the millennials ever voted for a bunch of semi-literates in the first place.

I'm thinking they're just spoiled. Booming economy, rising wages and full employment not good enough for ye? Want to return to the days of emigration is it?

As well as ignorant of a party where members stand up and applause a man known to have murdered a Guard.

the same question could be asked of anyone who voted for ff or fg and their disasters in health and housing, but thats for another thread.:)

Zico

I understand the party position in the Uk and not taking seats but I expect better efforts in the rest of Ireland.

Even PBP can have common ground with other parties. I like the gatherings though, Sinn Fein can get people toegther, just wished it was more than words.

lawred2

Zico wrote: »

They're all talk.

They talk a lot but not to anyone that could make a difference to people's lives.

Come on we've given you the ball what are you going to do?

You did in your hole vote for SF.

Eric Cartman

Idbatterim wrote: »

funny that, I am never voting FG after 2011 and 2016, the fraud that is Varadkar represents the dole warriors more than early risers!

Its like blairs labour, ‘New FG’ is about looking good on twitter, not helping those too busy to tweet all day.

Sleeper12

Zico wrote:

They talk a lot but not to anyone that could make a difference to people's lives.

In fairness to SF they are the only party that you can't blame in the current situation. They want to talk to all parties and would jump into bed with either FF or FG given the chance.

Im not saying that they would be good or bad in government but they can't be blamed on other parties not talking to them.

I'd also suggest that despite what the thread title suggests, I don't believe that you ever voted for SF

Fred Cryton

votecounts wrote: »

the same question could be asked of anyone who voted for ff or fg and their disasters in health and housing, but thats for another thread.:)

Why's that, the economy booming with record investment, employment and rising wages and you just throw out random slurs?



Your problem is you're looking for a magic beans solution of cheap housing on expensive city centre land. It's just economically illiterate like your messiah O'Brien.

pjohnson

How can some people think SF can just rock up take just 23 seats and announce Mary Lou is Taoiseach end off.


People that think that are likely too young to vote I'd say.

Idbatterim

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Why's that, the economy booming with record investment, employment and rising wages and you just throw out random slurs?



Your problem is you're looking for a magic beans solution of cheap housing on expensive city centre land. It's just economically illiterate like your messiah O'Brien.

Would you say renting out a social housing stock worth billions, for nothing, is economically illiterate?

Junkyard Tom

Sleeper12

Fred Cryton wrote:

The real question is why the millennials ever voted for a bunch of semi-literates in the first place.

Because of the disaster the last few governments have been. Many saw no alternative. They want FG out & they aren't too pushed on letting FF back in. Labour are still being blamed for supporting FG. What other option did they have?

Fred Cryton

Idbatterim wrote: »

Would you say renting out a social housing stock worth billions, for nothing, is economically illiterate?

Having any social housing at all in the centre of Dublin is economically illiterate. No need to be anywhere near the city.

Fred Cryton

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Because of the disaster the last few governments have been. Many saw no alternative. They want FG out & they aren't too pushed on letting FF back in. Labour are still being blamed for supporting FG. What other option did they have?

They want the party which created 450,000 new jobs to be out? Why? Again, are they spoiled?

pjohnson

Fred Cryton wrote: »

They want the party which created 450,000 new jobs to be out? Why? Again, are they spoiled?

Have you blamed spending on avocado's yet?

jay1988

Zico wrote: »

They're all talk.

They talk a lot but not to anyone that could make a difference to people's lives.

Come on we've given you the ball what are you going to do?

I'd bet every penny i had that you never voted for them in the first place, the obsession with Sinn Fein on this site has become quite tiring.

pjohnson

jay1988 wrote: »

I'd bet every penny i had that you never voted for them in the first place, the obsession with Sinn Fein on this site has become quite tiring.

Considering the obsession helped Sinn Fein the fact its continuing is hilarious.

votecounts

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Why's that, the economy booming with record investment, employment and rising wages and you just throw out random slurs?



Your problem is you're looking for a magic beans solution of cheap housing on expensive city centre land. It's just economically illiterate like your messiah O'Brien.

having a job is great, but when 1/2 of your wages are going on rent, you don't get that booming feeling and in regard to our bad health service, I hope you never have anyone close that has to suffer because of it:(

Idbatterim

Fred Cryton wrote: »

They want the party which created 450,000 new jobs to be out? Why? Again, are they spoiled?

nah, wont give them any credit. They didnt do anything absolutely moronic to stop the recovery. In fairness, I do have to give an irish government credit, for nothing doing something insanely stupid! Uncompetitive vat rates? yes. Ridiculous marginal rate of tax, that is damaging ? yes! rip off accomodation, marginal rate, child care, that effects our competitiveness? yes. Appalling infrastructure, that they could have rectified during the bust and kept thousand of skilled workers here? Yes.

They are a jaw dropping piss take. The bar is set so low here, all you have do is not be absolutely appalling to maintain power, and they lost it, during a boom. A new landmark in irish politics...

votecounts

jay1988 wrote: »

I'd bet every penny i had that you never voted for them in the first place, the obsession with Sinn Fein on this site has become quite tiring.

might have goven them an 8th preference as he never said it was a number 1:D

flazio

Dravokivich wrote: »

The age range for millennial spans 30 to 45.

And what percentage of them are in a stable home, either by fair rental or by ownership?
We had a story on the news about a child receiving treatment on a blanket on the floor of Cork University Hospital recently because they didn't have any trollies, never mind beds.
So while Fianna Fail dither, Sinn Fein try to "rally troops" around the country and Fine Gael care take while sizing up the opposition benches, the country still remains a miserable place to live.
I'm not loyal to any of them but it's seriously getting on my nerves now.

mrcheez

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Stop the press some random poster on some forum is never voting for a political party again.:D

Stop the press. Someone actually admitted voting for Sinn Fein :pac:

Fred Cryton

votecounts wrote: »

having a job is great, but when 1/2 of your wages are going on rent, you don't get that booming feeling and in regard to our bad health service, I hope you never have anyone close that has to suffer because of it:(

You're repeating the perceived problem but there's no magic beans solution other than crashing the economy. SF would only make it worse, and chase away investment. This is completely obvious to some and not so much to others. By the way there's no need to live in the centre of Dublin either, plenty of cheap rent elsewhere.

Fred Cryton

Idbatterim wrote: »

nah, wont give them any credit. They didnt do anything absolutely moronic to stop the recovery. In fairness, I do have to give an irish government credit, for nothing doing something insanely stupid! Uncompetitive vat rates? yes. Ridiculous marginal rate of tax, that is damaging ? yes! rip off accomodation, marginal rate, child care, that effects our competitiveness? yes. Appalling infrastructure, that they could have rectified during the bust and kept thousand of skilled workers here? Yes.

They are a jaw dropping piss take. The bar is set so low here, all you have do is not be absolutely appalling to maintain power, and they lost it, during a boom. A new landmark in irish politics...

If you don't give FG credit for creating the jobs, then you cannot blame FF either for losing the jobs in the recession.



Can't have it both ways.



And if you're concerned about tax weren't FG offering €3k tax cut?

mrcheez

Dravokivich wrote: »

The age range for millennial spans 30 to 45.

Not quite... it's 23 to 38 (in 2019)

Thank Christ...

Idbatterim

Fred Cryton wrote: »

If you don't give FG credit for creating the jobs, then you cannot blame FF either for losing the jobs in the recession.



Can't have it both ways.



And if you're concerned about tax weren't FG offering €3k tax cut?

yes, I think there is very little difference between them, FG a bit more prudent. I also concur, FG wanted more petrol thrown on the budget fire, before the bust. In fairness, who wouldnt have been wanting to lead the country during that period. this "boom" is totally at odds with the last one, this time during a boom, many peoples living standards are declining.

McMurphy

Fred Cryton wrote: »

They want the party which created 450,000 new jobs to be out? Why? Again, are they spoiled?

450k you say?

Public and civil service are really whizzing along so they are. Someone's gonna have to pay for that....

Wake me up when it's fashionable to vote Sinn Fein:pac:

Sleeper12

Fred Cryton wrote:

They want the party which created 450,000 new jobs to be out? Why? Again, are they spoiled?

I don't suppose you remember the crash? At the time the expert think tanks almost exactly predicted how high the unemployment rate would go, how long it would be at that rate. This was long before FG actually got into office. Once the Troika deal was done our future was almost cast in stone. Do you remember when FG implemented the Troika budgets? They publicly blamed FF and the Troika. When the Troika budgets started the bear fruit Noonan stopped blaming the Troika and started to take credit himself for budgets that were agreed before his party was in government.

The bottom line is that it didn't matter who was in government. The results would have been the same. Now if FG weren't in power we wouldn't have billions wasted on water meters, most expensive hospital in the world per capta and up to 3 billion on a broadband infrastructure that we will never own. We didn't have a homeless /housing/rent crisis before FG.

Idbatterim

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't suppose you remember the crash? At the time the expert think tanks almost exactly predicted how high the unemployment rate would go, how long it would be at that rate. This was long before FG actually got into office. Once the Troika deal was done our future was almost cast in stone. Do you remember when FG implemented the Troika budgets? They publicly blamed FF and the Troika. When the Troika budgets started the bear fruit Noonan stopped blaming the Troika and started to take credit himself for budgets that were agreed before his party was in government.

The bottom line is that it didn't matter who was in government. The results would have been the same. Now if FG weren't in power we wouldn't have billions wasted on water meters, most expensive hospital in the world per capta and up to 3 billion on a broadband infrastructure that we will never own. We didn't have a homeless /housing/rent crisis before FG.

yeah that is true, but what other idiocy or other mistakes would they have blown the billions on?

Sleeper12

Idbatterim wrote:

They are a jaw dropping piss take. The bar is set so low here, all you have do is not be absolutely appalling to maintain power, and they lost it, during a boom. A new landmark in irish politics...

We have this moronic attitude in Ireland. Point out how bad FG are & someone says "ah but FF are worse". This is the bar they set. So long as they are better than FF all is rosey. Younger voters wanted a higher bar than FF and FG.

SEPT 23 1989

Was it not the murder of innocent children ,mothers ,husbands fathers etc that turned you off them?

Fred Cryton

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't suppose you remember the crash? At the time the expert think tanks almost exactly predicted how high the unemployment rate would go, how long it would be at that rate. This was long before FG actually got into office. Once the Troika deal was done our future was almost cast in stone. Do you remember when FG implemented the Troika budgets? They publicly blamed FF and the Troika. When the Troika budgets started the bear fruit Noonan stopped blaming the Troika and started to take credit himself for budgets that were agreed before his party was in government.

The bottom line is that it didn't matter who was in government. The results would have been the same. Now if FG weren't in power we wouldn't have billions wasted on water meters, most expensive hospital in the world per capta and up to 3 billion on a broadband infrastructure that we will never own. We didn't have a homeless /housing/rent crisis before FG.

You only think it doesn't matter because you don't know what it would be like when a truly dangerously incompetant party like SF gets into power and chases away investment. Didn't the REIT's fall around 10% after the election. Translation - that's a lot less money for housing if SF ever get in.

Sleeper12

Fred Cryton wrote:

You only think it doesn't matter because you don't know what it would be like when a truly dangerously incompetant party like SF gets into power and chases away investment. Didn't the REIT's fall around 10% after the election. Translation - that's a lot less money for housing if SF ever get in.

Fred the country has had a belly full of FGs incompetence. I'm not saying voting SF is the answer but younger voters feel very let down by FG. FF & FG in their minds can't be trusted to run the country.

jd1983

Fred Cryton wrote: »

You only think it doesn't matter because you don't know what it would be like when a truly dangerously incompetant party like SF gets into power and chases away investment. Didn't the REIT's fall around 10% after the election. Translation - that's a lot less money for housing if SF ever get in.

Are you seriously suggesting REIT's share price falling is a bad thing?

When FG stupidly sold whole apartment blocks to REIT's some people's rents increased by over 50% overnight. REIT's are part of the problem and they're definitely not the solution. It takes serious delusion to think otherwise.

Fred Cryton

jd1983 wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting REIT's share price falling is a bad thing?

When FG stupidly sold whole apartment blocks to REIT's some people's rents increased by over 50% overnight. REIT's are part of the problem and they're definitely not the solution. It takes serious delusion to think otherwise.

REITs are the only answer when the land is expensive, as city centre land is. Who else is going to finance housing other than investment funds? The banks certainly won't. I know your crowd want the government to do it like in Commie Russia but unless you plan on paying the workers less and paying less for materials the cost of building the home won't be going down.

freshpopcorn

pjohnson wrote: »

How can some people think SF can just rock up take just 23 seats and announce Mary Lou is Taoiseach end off.


People that think that are likely too young to vote I'd say.

They aren't used to politics and how things work. Tjks is the third general election I voted in.
I know people my age and older who are Sinn Fein voters and if Mary Lou said she could end world hunger they'd believe her instantly and share it on social media with clapping hands emojis.

jd1983

Fred Cryton wrote: »

If you don't give FG credit for creating the jobs, then you cannot blame FF either for losing the jobs in the recession.



Can't have it both ways.



And if you're concerned about tax weren't FG offering €3k tax cut?

Our main two trading partners the US and UK exited recession before the rest of the eurozone helping Ireland's economic performance. These two countries didn't suddenly become our biggest trading partners after FG took power.

Giving FG credit for global macro economic trends is like blaming the government if a hard brexit occurs or blaming the government for the corona virus.

Well done on your patronising tone though, I reckon that will definitely persuade millennials to vote for FG.

Fred Cryton

jd1983 wrote: »

Our main two trading partners the US and UK exited recession before the rest of the eurozone helping Ireland's economic performance. These two countries didn't suddenly become our biggest trading partners after FG took power.

Giving FG credit for global macro economic trends is like blaming the government if a hard brexit occurs or blaming the government for the corona virus.

Well done on your patronising tone though, I reckon that will definitely persuade millennials to vote for FG.

So you don't blame FF for the recession then (or global economic financial crisis)

fergus1001

Zico wrote:

They talk a lot but not to anyone that could make a difference to people's lives.

Zico wrote:

Come on we've given you the ball what are you going to do?

written like I true blueshirt who didn't actually vote sinn feinn

olestoepoke

Do we really need another SF bashing thread?

fergus1001

pjohnson wrote:

How can some people think SF can just rock up take just 23 seats and announce Mary Lou is Taoiseach end off.

ehhhh it was 34 seats .....

pjohnson

Fred Cryton wrote: »

You're repeating the perceived problem but there's no magic beans solution other than crashing the economy. SF would only make it worse, and chase away investment. This is completely obvious to some and not so much to others. By the way there's no need to live in the centre of Dublin either, plenty of cheap rent elsewhere.

Yeah its called abroad auld lad

LeineGlas

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The real question is why the millennials ever voted for a bunch of semi-literates in the first place.

I'm thinking they're just spoiled. Booming economy, rising wages and full employment not good enough for ye? Want to return to the days of emigration is it?

As well as ignorant of a party where members stand up and applause a man known to have murdered a Guard.

Younger generations tend to vote for the good of society as a whole and want the issues of homelessness and poor health services to be addressed.

Older generations vote for their own self-interests in the form of lower taxes, early pension age and often against the interests of they consider "unworthy" such as the less well-off, immigrants and the LGBT community.

pjohnson

jd1983 wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting REIT's share price falling is a bad thing?

When FG stupidly sold whole apartment blocks to REIT's some people's rents increased by over 50% overnight. REIT's are part of the problem and they're definitely not the solution. It takes serious delusion to think otherwise.

I guess Freds a diehard FG acolyte.


Landlord aswell I bet.

elperello

Zico wrote: »

They're all talk.

They talk a lot but not to anyone that could make a difference to people's lives.

Come on we've given you the ball what are you going to do?

To continue your sporting analogy, we actually haven't given them the ball.
There was a bit of a loose ruck after the election.
The opposition have kicked into touch.
When the ball is back in play we'll see how it goes.