Cleaners Protesting Outside Ardkeen

spookwoman

Royal Legend wrote: »

Not threatening anyone and I am not one of the strikers either, just think that it is a bit rich (excuse the pun) that someone who works in the hospital, earning a hell of a lot more than €12.29/hour, cannot or will not clean their own house, is able to ridicule people who clean for a living..

WTF has that got to do with what's happening down there. If someone wants to hire a cleaner to help them out that is their prerogative and none of your business.

Royal Legend wrote: »

There are a hell of a lot of decent people who clean out in that hospital, there is an element in any environment, whether that be the hospital, a factory or any other place of work, but certain posters on here seem to like painting everyone with the same brush and there is definitely people on here that look down on cleaners as an underclass, which i find disgusting. Like i posted earlier, maybe they should try it themselves to see what is involved or maybe live off the wages they earn.

I haven't see anyone say that cleaners are the underclass the only one I see saying that is you.

Royal Legend wrote: »

And you also do not know what you are talking about.
The cleaners are not contracted to lift the heavy bags, so you cannot fire someone for asking them to do something that is not in their contract, it might sound petty, but you need to actually go in to the hospital and look at the bags in question, other than that you are just another person with a misinformed opinion.

Do you even work in the hospital, more importantly are you a cleaner because you sound like you are just trying to defend someone who does work there.

Ref the contract and work to rule I doubt not picking up rubbish off the ground in A+E and trying to chat down the minutes till you get off early is in the contract either. Can you provide a copy of the contract where it specifically says you are not to lift a bag.

Gaspode

Royal Legend wrote: »

Hate to tell you, someone has figured out who you are :cool: .

This sort of behaviour is not on, discuss the topic on hand. What another user posts elsewhere is not relevant. Its a dick move tbh, dont do it again

mooseknunkle

He said a lot worse than they are underclass.

spookwoman wrote: »

WTF has that got to do with what's happening down there. If someone wants to hire a cleaner to help them out that is their prerogative and none of your business.



I haven't see anyone say that cleaners are the underclass the only one I see saying that is you.



Do you even work in the hospital, more importantly are you a cleaner because you sound like you are just trying to defend someone who does work there.

Ref the contract and work to rule I doubt not picking up rubbish off the ground in A+E and trying to chat down the minutes till you get off early is in the contract either. Can you provide a copy of the contract where it specifically says you are not to lift a bag.

Motivator wrote: »

That is shocking but not very surprising. The hygiene in Ardkeen has been appalling for years now and the personal hygiene of some of the cleaning staff leaves a lot to be desired. I had a brief stay as a patient a number of years ago and the cleaner used the same rag to clean the windows, the sink, taps and then the trays on each of the beds in the ward.

I didn’t know the exact reason why they were protesting this week but if it’s for the reasons you stated above then that it absolutely outrageous. They are not HSE staff, they’re bottom of the pile so why not sack them all and bring in people who will actually do the job they are being paid to do?

Motivator wrote: »

I was in the hospital this afternoon and on the way in I passed an angry group of people protesting about their pay. I understand these people are meant to be the cleaners in the hospital? My word, some of these people look as if they can’t clean themselves never mind a public hospital. What exactly are they complaining about? I was speaking to a hospital employee who said it got very heated because someone had said to the group that if they did a proper job cleaning then they’d get a proper wage.

Motivator wrote: »

Funnily enough I heard this morning that a brick was thrown at a car/van out there the other day. Sack all of them, wasters.

Royal Legend

Crusty Blaa wrote: »

I don't intend to paint all the strikers with the same brush but there have been enough indications that there are some on the picket who have been out of line in their actions towards patients and other hospital staff. As I mentioned already, my family member was made feel very uncomfortable walking into work the other day with some nasty comments said in passing. That's not right but I suppose you'll think she was lying.

I am not in a union, i would feel intimidated crossing any picket and would personally avoid doing so if possible.
Its not right if someone you know has got snide comments when going into work, i agree 100 % with you. there are elements in all walks of life, the person i know has not seen or heard anything out of order while they have been on the picket, that's not to say it has not happened, its the ones where they "heard" or make up a story that a brick was thrown, stones thrown, people spat at, which is definitely fictitious, unless someone can come forward and say it happened to them. I have a family member there also being tarred with a brush, so apologies to you if my anger is misdirected.

Royal Legend

spookwoman wrote: »

WTF has that got to do with what's happening down there. If someone wants to hire a cleaner to help them out that is their prerogative and none of your business.



I haven't see anyone say that cleaners are the underclass the only one I see saying that is you.



Do you even work in the hospital, more importantly are you a cleaner because you sound like you are just trying to defend someone who does work there.

Ref the contract and work to rule I doubt not picking up rubbish off the ground in A+E and trying to chat down the minutes till you get off early is in the contract either. Can you provide a copy of the contract where it specifically says you are not to lift a bag.

You really need to read back over the posts, some of them have been edited now as they called the cleaners a lot worse, so yes i am defending someone and other people i know out there, that are being accused of spitting at people, throwing bricks at cars etc. i doubt watching Corrie is in the contract either and i have no doubt it does go on with a few individuals, so a couple of per cent gives people the right to ridicule the other 98%, i don't think so.
and as I don't work there i hardly can show you a copy of a work contract.

wsopchamp

Royal Legend wrote: »

First of all they do not earn €13 + per hour, they earn €10.80 + a site rate of €1.49 = 12.29/hr.
my apologies , i thought they were on more. Not fantastic but still above way above min wage.

have to say this tread is getting nasty.i work in hospital and have passed the picket on all gates numerous times and no issues with it. i think people are nervous passing and automatically have a bad feeling and pick up on every little thing.
i for one have no idea why momentum cleaners are out on strike only what i have heard throughout the hospital .I think Unite union has a lot to answer for here ,expecting its member to vote on all out industrial action while ill informed on the whole situation.

regarding the cleaners there ,i see them on a daily basis and to be honest the vast majority of them do their job well, but as in all jobs there are a few that try to get away with doing nothing , everyone knows who they are but when push comes to shove are unable to stand up and tell them they are useless and will back them if they get into trouble.( this is not pointed at cleaners in UHW , just workers in general in all jobs, usually the biggest wingers are the biggest wasters )

hope all is resolved soon and we can get back to living in harmony once again

Royal Legend

wsopchamp wrote: »

Royal Legend wrote: »

First of all they do not earn €13 + per hour, they earn €10.80 + a site rate of €1.49 = 12.29/hr.
my apologies , i thought they were on more. Not fantastic but still above way above min wage.

have to say this tread is getting nasty.i work in hospital and have passed the picket on all gates numerous times and no issues with it. i think people are nervous passing and automatically have a bad feeling and pick up on every little thing.
i for one have no idea why momentum cleaners are out on strike only what i have heard throughout the hospital .I think Unite union has a lot to answer for here ,expecting its member to vote on all out industrial action while ill informed on the whole situation.

regarding the cleaners there ,i see them on a daily basis and to be honest the vast majority of them do their job well, but as in all jobs there are a few that try to get away with doing nothing , everyone knows who they are but when push comes to shove are unable to stand up and tell them they are useless and will back them if they get into trouble.( this is not pointed at cleaners in UHW , just workers in general in all jobs, usually the biggest wingers are the biggest wasters )

hope all is resolved soon and we can get back to living in harmony once again

Thanks, exactly my sentiments, just have not articulated them as well as you have .

debok

mooseknunkle wrote: »

He said a lot worse than they are underclass.

Jaysus that's some spew of horrible comments.
Hate to have that hatred towards a group of people I dont kniw. He's the op and didn't know who the group were at the start but few comments later he's seems to know exactly the type of people they are. Best ignored

Royal Legend

debok wrote: »

Jaysus that's some spew of horrible comments.
Hate to have that hatred towards a group of people I dont kniw. He's the op and didn't know who the group were at the start but few comments later he's seems to know exactly the type of people they are. Best ignored

I have not responded directly to any of his posts all day.

azimuth17

As a case of the Coronavirus has now been confirmed in the east of this country I would expect the dispute to be called off immediately and referred to the WRC or Labour Court or whoever can help. Failure to do so will be the height of irresponsibility.

mooseknunkle

debok wrote: »

Jaysus that's some spew of horrible comments.
Hate to have that hatred towards a group of people I dont kniw. He's the op and didn't know who the group were at the start but few comments later he's seems to know exactly the type of people they are. Best ignored

Yeah he sounds like a really nasty person just best to be ignored.

notfromhere

Were not really anonymous on here when you have people going through your old posts,digging for dirt,and trying to find out who you are.

Motivator

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Yeah he sounds like a really nasty person just best to be ignored.

In almost 37 years on this earth that’s the first time I’ve been referred to as nasty. I have an opinion and I’m entitled to that.

spookwoman

Royal Legend wrote: »

You really need to read back over the posts, some of them have been edited now as they called the cleaners a lot worse, so yes i am defending someone and other people i know out there, that are being accused of spitting at people, throwing bricks at cars etc. i doubt watching Corrie is in the contract either and i have no doubt it does go on with a few individuals, so a couple of per cent gives people the right to ridicule the other 98%, i don't think so.
and as I don't work there i hardly can show you a copy of a work contract.

And you have the nerve to tell me

Royal Legend wrote: »

And you also do not know what you are talking about

when you don't even work there! Have you actually seen the contract or you again reciting what someone else told you.
What I am reading is people telling what they have seen/experienced in the hospital over time regarding the cleaning staff and what they have experienced with the picket. Why would someone just say these things if it didn't happen? Again if you are not there on the picket line how do you know people are not getting intimidated?
You claim it's all hearsay and yet everything you are saying is hearsay as well.

Gaspode

Come on folks, lets keep the personal comments out of this. Skepticism about the content of a post can be indicated without attacking the poster personally.

dlnv27

I have been on picket every day since the start of the dispute. If anyone would like to pm me, details of what gate/day/time they were abused, saw people turned away, car damaged or any threatening behaviour, I'm sure our strike committee would deal with these complaints.

azimuth17

dlnv27 wrote: »

I have been on picket every day since the start of the dispute. If anyone would like to pm me, details of what gate/day/time they were abused, saw people turned away, car damaged or any threatening behaviour, I'm sure our strike committee would deal with these complaints.

I am sure (?) that you have no intention of trying to close the hospital through all out strike. If that is the case then you are seeking to bring attention to your issues. That could be done by only picketing the main entrance and letting the other entrances free for people to come and go. It would be nice to know what plans your committee or union have to call off the protest now that Coronavirus has been found in Ireland?

I have no connection with the hospital or with any political or other organisation for the record.

Royal Legend

spookwoman wrote: »

And you have the nerve to tell me when you don't even work there! Have you actually seen the contract or you again reciting what someone else told you.
What I am reading is people telling what they have seen/experienced in the hospital over time regarding the cleaning staff and what they have experienced with the picket. Why would someone just say these things if it didn't happen? Again if you are not there on the picket line how do you know people are not getting intimidated?
You claim it's all hearsay and yet everything you are saying is hearsay as well.

Its not hearsay that posters on here have called people scum and worse, i don't see you pulling posters up on that?

From the little that i know, Momentum are pushing to break the cleaners union in the hospital and continue to bring in outside labour at minimum rates to carry out more duties. People working out in the hospital are possibly going to lose their jobs over this over the next while.

notfromhere

Jesus lad will you get a life, Sunday afternoon and your on this, looking through peoples history trying to find out who they are.Not my fault if they lose there jobs i did not make them go out on strike.

dlnv27

Still waiting for any of the people who have been spat at, refused entrance to hospital, called name or have damage done to their car to pm me

debok

dlnv27 wrote: »

Still waiting for any of the people who have been spat at, refused entrance to hospital, called name or have damage done to their car to pm me

This is boards not Facebook. anyone on here spouting said they heard this, were told that etc? Your going mad because a few anonymous people trolled you.

Micky Bluenips

Motivator wrote: »

In almost 37 years on this earth that’s the first time I’ve been referred to as nasty. I have an opinion and I’m entitled to that.

Everyone has an opinion and you are entitled to it but you started the thread asking who were this group and two messages later you were calling them all sorts. Kinda looks like you started the thread to get out little frustration from a grudge you have for some person or people you know involved in strike.

marlin vs

Motivator wrote: »

Spoken like a true floor cleaner.

Not a very nice thing to say.

mooseknunkle

Motivator wrote: »

In almost 37 years on this earth that’s the first time I’ve been referred to as nasty. I have an opinion and I’m entitled to that.

Im surprised by that,maybe people haven't said it to your face but if you carry on in real life like you do here then they probably say it behind your back.

Yes you are entitled to your opinion like everyone else,but these aren't opinions.

These are disrespectful and nasty,i doubt very much you would say it to anyone on the picket line in person,a lost easier to hide behind a username on anonymous forum.

Originally Posted by Motivator
That is shocking but not very surprising. The hygiene in Ardkeen has been appalling for years now and the personal hygiene of some of the cleaning staff leaves a lot to be desired. I had a brief stay as a patient a number of years ago and the cleaner used the same rag to clean the windows, the sink, taps and then the trays on each of the beds in the ward.

Originally Posted by Motivator
didn’t know the exact reason why they were protesting this week but if it’s for the reasons you stated above then that it absolutely outrageous. They are not HSE staff, they’re bottom of the pile so why not sack them all and bring in people who will actually do the job they are being paid to do?

Originally Posted by Motivator
I was in the hospital this afternoon and on the way in I passed an angry group of people protesting about their pay. I understand these people are meant to be the cleaners in the hospital? My word, some of these people look as if they can’t clean themselves never mind a public hospital. What exactly are they complaining about? I was speaking to a hospital employee who said it got very heated because someone had said to the group that if they did a proper job cleaning then they’d get a proper wage.

Originally Posted by Motivator
Funnily enough I heard this morning that a brick was thrown at a car/van out there the other day. Sack all of them, wasters.

Originally Posted by Motivator
Spoken like a true floor cleaner.

Gaspode

OK despite warnings this thread has vecome a car crash. Closing it tonight for review