Turkish troops killed by Russian airstrikes ( Syria)

Cheerful Spring2

2020 is a turbulent moment in history.

https://twitter.com/JackDetsch_ALM/status/1233124151726104576

Idlib last stronghold of the resistance and Turkey has mobilised it's army to defend the region.

TheValeyard

Think Turkey was giving Syria until the end of the month to withdraw from the provence. Now they'll begin bombing Syrian targets very shortly.

Cheerful Spring2

TheValeyard wrote: »

Think Turkey was giving Syria until the end of the month to withdraw from the provence. Now they'll begin bombing Syrian targets very shortly.

Yes, this is correct. What the western channels are not revealing is that the Turkish army has already crisscrossed the border with heavy military armour and hundreds of Turkish special forces troops have passed anti- air batteries to Jihadists and Rebels. The Syrian rebels have been trying to knock down Russian and Syrian aircraft for over a week now. They’ve destroyed two helicopters belonging to the Syrians last week. Turkey and Syria are already at war over Idlib.  Russian aircraft bombing Turkish troops is more serious escalation, since Turkey a Nato ally. Unclear if Putin has selected to go to war with Turkey to get them out of Syria for good? It’s way too early to tell what the endgame is? Turkey uses it entire army to try repel the Syrian army it will be a mess?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Yes, this is correct. What the western channels are not revealing is that the Turkish army has already crisscrossed the border with heavy military armour and hundreds of Turkish special forces troops have passed anti- air batteries to Jihadists and Rebels. The Syrian rebels have been trying to knock down Russian and Syrian aircraft for over a week now. They’ve destroyed two helicopters belonging to the Syrians last week.

According to what russian sources nothing new there , neither is Syrian helicopters and aircraft getting shot down it's been happening regularly since the start of all of this .
Most of anti regime weapons came directly from Syrian military bases ,
Unlike most of the conspiracies around who supplied various groups.

The only new thing here is Russia attacking Turkish military forces ,I'd half expect Putin to come out and say it was an accident while smirking ,
Turkey could well roll Through Syria if they wanted the Syrian military is practically non existent , heavily dependent on russian and Iranians to fight

Thrill

Turkey says it will no longer stop refugees from entering Europe



https://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-says-it-will-no-longer-stop-refugees-from-entering-europe/


Erdogan making good on the threat he made last year.

BanditLuke

Thrill wrote: »

Turkey says it will no longer stop refugees from entering Europe



https://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-says-it-will-no-longer-stop-refugees-from-entering-europe/


Erdogan making good on the threat he made last year.

Good time to bury bad news.

one world order

Wonder did the yanks do a deal with Turkey. After their ISIS creation was destroyed by the Russians they need a plan B for a change of government to build their gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey.

BanditLuke

https://twitter.com/MBilalKenasari/status/1233138862450520075

tillyfilly

Turkey has called in NATO
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51667717

Gatling

It's a game ,

Turkey makes threat the EU get involved and tell Erdoğan he can push further into Syria free from sanctions

BanditLuke

22 Turkish troops killed it seems. Oh dear.

Gatling

BanditLuke wrote: »

22 Turkish troops killed it seems. Oh dear.

30 + depending on what you read

Gatling

tillyfilly wrote: »

Turkey has called in NATO

Not really no

one world order

Might create another chemical attack, blame it on the Syrian government and use the mass produced mainstream media to justify their attacks on innocent civilians.

joeysoap

one world order wrote: »

Wonder did the yanks do a deal with Turkey. After their ISIS creation was destroyed by the Russians they need a plan B for a change of government to build their gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey.

The Yanks created ISIS

Signore Fancy Pants

Gatling wrote: »

Most of anti regime weapons came directly from Syrian military bases, Unlike most of the conspiracies around who supplied various groups.

You don't think Turkey has supplied MANPADS to Tukish proxies?

TBH, most of the Syrian weapons which were seized by rebels/Jihadist have been used, hidden or handed over from the previous Reconciliiation areas. Rebels were permitted to bring small arms only to Idlib.

There is no way in hell that the sustained aerial pressure exerted on the Syrian opposition since 2018 in northern Hama, Idlib and Aleppo; they did not think to use their anti aircraft weapons until now?

MANPADS and ATGMs have been supplied by Turkey to the rebels. Its not a conspiracy.

one world order

joeysoap wrote: »

The Yanks created ISIS

Supplied them with as much weapons as needed and used Islam to bring in people from across the Islamic world to do the American dirty work.

dreamers75

joeysoap wrote: »

The Yanks created ISIS

They created a vacuum after winning their "war" and saying "right lads we done here".

ISIS gladly stepped in and here we are 5 odd years later.

Gatling

one world order wrote: »

Supplied them with as much weapons as needed and used Islam to bring in people from across the Islamic world to do the American dirty work.

Maybe consider an early night

BanditLuke

29 confirmed dead now.

tillyfilly

This was always going to happen,the Turks knew it,they are ready to deploy all assets

Cheerful Spring2

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

You don't think Turkey has supplied MANPADS to Tukish proxies?

TBH, most of the Syrian weapons which were seized by rebels/Jihadist have been used, hidden or handed over from the previous Reconciliiation areas. Rebels were permitted to bring small arms only to Idlib.

There is no way in hell that the sustained aerial pressure exerted on the Syrian opposition since 2018 in northern Hama, Idlib and Aleppo; they did not think to use their anti aircraft weapons until now?

MANPADS and ATGMs have been supplied by Turkey to the rebels. Its not a conspiracy.

Syrian Rebels/ Jihadists are not getting this equipment from Syria army, Its Turkish.

Signore Fancy Pants

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Syrian Rebels/ Jihadists are not getting this equipment from Syria army, Its Turkish.

It's not even open for debate. Maybe I jumped the gun and Gatling was on about the US and not Turkey. In that case, my bad.

Turkey most definately has been supplying their proxies with weapons. Otherwise....how would they be proxies :pac:

amadangomor

Manpads sound like something that I will need when the kids wheel me off to old folk home oblivion when I'm in my late 60s.

Cheerful Spring2

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

It's not even open for debate. Maybe I jumped the gun and Gatling was on about the US and not Turkey. In that case, my bad.

Turkey most definately has been supplying their proxies with weapons. Otherwise....how would they be proxies :pac:

You’d have to be asleep to not notice all the heavy tanks and artillery coming over the border in last week or so. Russia reacted to the Turkish military targeting their jets in the skies. I just hope Nato wise to stay out of this mess. Turkey will likely blame the Syrian government for the attack, but it was obvious for the people on the ground Russian aircraft are hitting Turkish convoys with troops. I saw a video from today with manpad firing a missile at a Russian SU-34 jet, and pilot was releasing flares to avoid the missile.

Cheerful Spring2

tillyfilly wrote: »

Turkey has called in NATO
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51667717

Activity and rumor is very high now on Twitter, so this may be wrong we know more soon. Supposedly Turkey has activated Article 4 of the NATO Alliance. This means that NATO & Turkey will discuss if Turkeys Independence & Security has been threatened by Russia killing Turkish Troops.

archer22

Turkish troops shouldn't be in Syria, so if they get killed there...well tough sh!t that's what happens when you invade another country.

Cheerful Spring2

https://twitter.com/p_zalewski/status/1233176005772226566

4068ac1elhodqr

So tribulation checklist for this week reads (aside from all the previous floods n' fires):

Biblical locust plagues: ✓ (x2)
Global pandemic of novel virus: ✓
Love triangle gone very wrong in the MidEast: ✓

Can't remember what the 4th horseman was, maybe:
9.0 quake in Cali
Asteroid touch-down in N.Atlantic
Supervolcano (Campi Flegrei)

tillyfilly

Thaddeus Bitter Beefsteak wrote: »

So tribulation checklist for this week reads (aside from all the previous floods n' fires):

Biblical locust plagues: ✓ (x2)
Global pandemic of novel virus: ✓
Love triangle gone very wrong in the MidEast: ✓

Can't remember what the 4th horseman was, maybe:
9.0 quake in Cali
Asteroid touch-down in N.Atlantic
Supervolcano (Campi Flegrei)

don't forget global financial crash
China US trade war
Break up of EU

4068ac1elhodqr

tillyfilly wrote: »

don't forget global financial crash
China US trade war
Break up of EU

Forgot the DJIA just had its biggest day drop in eons (since 2008?), 10%circa wiped from most markets within last week, about $3.5tr global trade down the pan. But that's small fish to fry all the same.

The breakup of the EU, think the aul mystic BabaVanga or someone predicted that decades ago, and spot on for 2016. Another aul geezer, Nostradamus had a couple of plague poems up his sleeve, but much less reliable.

The Turk-Syr-Rus love triangle/divorce would be a messy affair indeed, and a huge chuck of the entire MidEast region.

tillyfilly

Thaddeus Bitter Beefsteak wrote: »

Forgot the DJIA just had its biggest day drop in eons (since 2008?), 10%circa wiped from most markets within last week, about $3.5tr global trade down the pan. But that's small fish to fry all the same.

The breakup of the EU, think the aul mystic BabaVanga or someone predicted that decades ago, and spot on for 2016. Another aul geezer, Nostradamus had a couple of plague poems up his sleeve, but much less reliable.

The Turk-Syr-Rus love triangle/divorce would be a messy affair indeed, and a huge chuck of the entire MidEast region.

we were born into interesting times

Removalist

The horde will help spread this virus around Europe. Interesting times indeed.

BanditLuke

Removalist wrote: »

The horde will help spread this virus around Europe. Interesting times indeed.

Feck off they are people not a horde. Let's hope you and your family are never caught in the awful situation they face

Hande hoche!

Will be curious as to whether the Turks start supplying even more kit to the rebels. Aside from the previously mentioned Manpads and ATGMs.
Recently saw in the papers that they started supplying Hawk air defence systems to their allies in Libya. Wouldn't put it past Erodgan to do similar in Northern Syria.

kooper

I wonder if Erdogan blocks Bosporus, what will russians do...

nthclare

BanditLuke wrote: »

Feck off they are people not a horde. Let's hope you and your family are never caught in the awful situation they face

You're absolutely right, imagine living in a quite valley in Greece or Bulgaria minding your own business.
Living a tranquil life in a setting that could match any picturesque place in Europe.

To have parades of people trampling by your garden, sh1ting outside your house, pissing down boreens.
Begging for food etc
Singing rebellious chants and obviously there's going to be dangerous people who's intent isn't exactly peaceful.

You highlighted it very well.

archer22

Europe needs to grow a pair and start protecting it's borders...not just sitting there looking helpless and pathetic every time Sultan Erdogan decides to blackmail them by opening the floodgates.

Removalist

BanditLuke wrote: »

Feck off they are people not a horde. Let's hope you and your family are never caught in the awful situation they face

Not sure what your issue is, horde = large group of people...

Gatling

kooper wrote: »

I wonder if Erdogan blocks Bosporus, what will russians do...

Not a lot they can do ,they threaten it a few years back when Turkey shot down a russian jet that crossed into turkey ,
Close the straits and Russia ships can't go anywhere and can't get back to Russia either ,

Russia still only has limited forces and numbers in Syria compared to what turkey can bring into Syria fairly quickly

TheValeyard

kooper wrote: »

I wonder if Erdogan blocks Bosporus, what will russians do...

Cant block Bosorus, if Russian already sieze Bosporus

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

Europe needs to grow a pair and start protecting it's borders...

And had we done so in 2015 the UK would likely not have voted for Brexit in 2016.

riffmongous

nthclare wrote: »

You're absolutely right, imagine living in a quite valley in Greece or Bulgaria minding your own business.
Living a tranquil life in a setting that could match any picturesque place in Europe.

To have parades of people trampling by your garden, sh1ting outside your house, pissing down boreens.
Begging for food etc
Singing rebellious chants and obviously there's going to be dangerous people who's intent isn't exactly peaceful.

You highlighted it very well.

**** off with your ****e, were you there were you? Heard them singing did you? Saw the look in their eyes?

I was, I lived in a country the 'horde' passed through, just ordinary people

one world order

Islam is more to do with conquest unfortunately. It's why those that control the world have already set the stage for WW3 between Islam and the west.

Gatling

one world order wrote: »

WW3 between Islam and the west.

I thought it was China

Varik

Gatling wrote: »

I thought it was China

They called in sick

Lord Fairlord

one world order wrote: »

Might create another chemical attack, blame it on the Syrian government and use the mass produced mainstream media to justify their attacks on innocent civilians.

Tangentially, real journalism is rare these days but Peter Hitchens has been doing good
work on highlighting the shenanigans regarding Douma and the OPCW.

BanditLuke

I suppose with the Covid19 story this isn't getting much traction with the media but it deserves to. A wicked situation for all involved.

tillyfilly

Sounds like the Turks will carry out a full onslaught after this weekend coming failed talks

BanditLuke

Me thinks they thinking this is a very good time to bury bad news.

Removalist

riffmongous wrote: »

**** off with your ****e, were you there were you? Heard them singing did you? Saw the look in their eyes?

I was, I lived in a country the 'horde' passed through, just ordinary people

What country would that be?