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6 year old girl restrained Florida

  • 26-02-2020 2:51am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,926 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Black child, black member of staff in background and a black police officer arrives to restrain the child and the tide pod generation of upper class white people are commenting white privilege, racism etc. The biggest recruiters for the far right.

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1232412627428691973?s=21


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    What the actual f*ck are police officers doing enforcing discipline in schools over in 'Murca. Jesus f*cking Christ, is it any wonder the country is barrelling down the rabbit hole it's stuck in? What ever happened to calling the kid's parents and suspending her for a few days FFS?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    It's like a parody, something you'd see in a sketch show.


  • Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What the actual f*ck are police officers doing enforcing discipline in schools over in 'Murca. Jesus f*cking Christ, is it any wonder the country is barrelling down the rabbit hole it's stuck in? What ever happened to calling the kid's parents and suspending her for a few days FFS?

    The officer obviously had some issue when it came to children as he's apparently arrested loads of kids.

    Handcuffing a 6 year ffs, what the hell 'murica?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Seems Florida has no minimum age for arrest, same officer arrested another 6 year old that day. He was supposed to inform a supervisor as the child is under 12, he didn't do this, and was fired because of that.

    Child was fingerprinted, needed a stool to get its mugshot taken. All perfectly legally and all will remain on record. Child had thrown a tantrum and punched out at her teacher.

    Fcuked up country alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    The officer obviously had some issue when it came to children as he's apparently arrested loads of kids.

    Handcuffing a 6 year ffs, what the hell 'murica?

    She wasn't handcuffed, they used cable ties.

    And I think the officer was fired


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    She wasn't handcuffed, they used cable ties.

    And I think the officer was fired

    Handcuffed/cable tied it matters **** all to a 6YR OLD CHILD!!!


  • Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    She wasn't handcuffed, they used cable ties.

    And I think the officer was fired

    Jesus wept, you think it matters? Child was restrained using handcuff shaped cable ties that are usually for public order prisoners in volatile situations.

    Not bloody children that are sitting quietly at a table.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Moved to CA. Read the local charter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/02/24/please-let-me-go-video-shows-6-year-old-girl-crying-pleading-during-arrest-at-orlando-school/

    The arresting officer, Dennis Turner, was later fired by the Orlando Police Department following the September arrest of the student. The charges against the girl were dropped and her record was expunged.

    So cop fücked up, got fired.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Nosnon wrote: »
    So cop fücked up, got fired.

    It's more than that tbf, for two reasons:

    1: That cop should be prosecuted, not just fired. There need to be proper criminal penalties for this kind of misconduct.

    2: The whole concept of police officers policing everyday school bullsh!t is a fairly horrifying paradigm which has developed in the US over the last decade or so. They tend to call them "school resource officers" and they're basically thugs in uniform who escalate issues which would formerly have been dealt with via a detention or note home to one's parents, with physical violence and restraint.

    Here's another video from a few years ago of a cop arresting a student for using her phone during class:



    Like, this kind of sh!t has no place in a school at all, and it goes beyond officers needing to be prosecuted for engaging in it - schools should not be environments which are militarised with riot police tactics. There shouldn't be police present in or called to schools for matters of petty discipline ever in the first place, it's massively over the top and completely uncalled for.

    All of this stems from America's moronic relationship with firearms. The "school resource officer" AKA police officer who responds to everyday school issues using police-level physical force, is a phenomenon which evolved directly from a perceived necessity to have cops in schools to guard against potential school shootings by kids.


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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Lawrence Shy String


    America is a nice place to visit but I'd hate to live there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    America is a nice place to visit but I'd hate to live there.

    I'd love to visit but I am in genuine fear of being shot for being myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,717 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Bits of the US are beautiful and benign, peaceful and enlightened.

    However a lot of it is circling the mouth of hell. It actually does not function as a single Country (if it ever did), realistically it should be at least 5 or 6 separate territories. And I think the gradual dissolution of the USA will be one of the history highlights of the 21st Century.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Nosnon wrote: »
    I'd love to visit but I am in genuine fear of being shot for being myself.

    I was shot when I was there. It's not actually as bad as you would think.


  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Lawrence Shy String


    Nosnon wrote: »
    I'd love to visit but I am in genuine fear of being shot for being myself.

    I am white, to be fair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    I am white, to be fair.

    Me too. What gets me in trouble is my smart mouth. Here in Ireland I've expected a punch a few times in my life but never a fear that the other person might pull a gun.


  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Lawrence Shy String


    I got pulled over for crossing the road. Madness haha.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Anything you babble may be used against you in a court of law.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Jesus, that is like some sick parody. A small child taken away alone and tied up. What the hell is wrong with all of those adults.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,432 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    What a fcuked up country


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I got stopped by police in the states for drinking on the street albeit through a paper bag.

    They checked my ID, made me pour the booze in the drain, essentially told me to cop on (no pun intended) and sent my on my way. In other words, they did their job right.

    They are mostly alright but you will always get idiots in any workforce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Thank god all involved was the same colour, or the SJWs would have gone nuts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,558 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Depressing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,558 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I got stopped by police in the states for drinking on the street albeit through a paper bag.

    They checked my ID, made me pour the booze in the drain, essentially told me to cop on (no pun intended) and sent my on my way. In other words, they did their job right.

    They are mostly alright but you will always get idiots in any workforce.

    Was this during your time in Compton?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    How is this even a thing in a normal, 1st world country?

    As for the second video posted...the mind boggles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Greatest country in the world: corporal and capital punishment, endemic levels of drug addiction, huge homeless problem, prison population through the roof. Arresting and handcuffing little children is the cherry on top.

    But apart all from that the USA is A-OK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Cop was kind and gentle with that child - how bad must she have been over the years for the police to have finally been called. I was sorry to read he had been fired for a breech of protocol on someone elses child later that day - he looks like the kind of man I’d like to see handling children.

    reading about the acid attack by teenagers down in waterford and how the dpp will not prosecute - they were also children, my car outside my house is being systamatically destroyed also by children 8 &9 yr olds and their parents won’t parent and the Irish police say there is nothing they can do because they are children. There is a back story to everything & I would be interested in this one. We all see how out so called criminal justice system relies on recidivist criminals boo-hoo’ing at the judge and saying they’re sorry and they won’t do it again - look where that has got the country - utterly lawless with no control on crime.

    As regards crying to the media for support - the teachers hands are tied, the cop when called under the law has to do what is needed in america. I agree arresting a 6 year old rather than expelling or calling the parents to take it home is OTT but what is the back story - should the child be let punch teachers in the face routinely or smash their teeth or break their nose . Other people - particularly victims - also have rights. And in America there is the real risk and one a day shootings in schools - I definately wouldn’t like to be a teacher there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,926 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Greatest country in the world: corporal and capital punishment, endemic levels of drug addiction, huge homeless problem, prison population through the roof. Arresting and handcuffing little children is the cherry on top.

    But apart all from that the USA is A-OK.

    You forgot 9 year olds firing Uzi’ yet unable to drink and smoke at 18 years old.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    Nosnon wrote: »
    Me too. What gets me in trouble is my smart mouth. Here in Ireland I've expected a punch a few times in my life but never a fear that the other person might pull a gun.

    Hyperbole much. that post sound like a someone who sits on the game Grand Theft Auto and thinks its real life.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    biko wrote: »
    Thank god all involved was the same colour, or the SJWs would have gone nuts.




    am sure the white man will be held responsible somehow.


    Whitey will have "ordered" the black man to arrest the black child therefore making it a motivated white privileged crime, covered up by the white owned media....keep up


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Was this during your time in Compton?

    Now now, don't make me have to bust a cap in you homes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    biko wrote: »
    Thank god all involved was the same colour, or the SJWs would have gone nuts.
    Yes, a child was brutalised and traumatised by a psychopath, but the really important thing is that some powerless windbags on Twitter can't use this to further their agenda.

    Bloody hell biko, go get some fresh air. Look at the big picture once in a while. You're obsessed with this left/right bull.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,731 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    biko wrote: »
    Thank god all involved was the same colour, or the SJWs would have gone nuts.
    am sure the white man will be held responsible somehow.


    Whitey will have "ordered" the black man to arrest the black child therefore making it a motivated white privileged crime, covered up by the white owned media....keep up


    Look at the size of those shoehorns!


  • Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1: That cop should be prosecuted, not just fired. There need to be proper criminal penalties for this kind of misconduct.

    You are worse than him. He got fired for breaching protocol. You, if you had your way, would bring someone before a court and prosecute them when they didn't break any laws.

    Think before you type.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,282 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    GreeBo wrote: »
    How is this even a thing in a normal, 1st world country?

    As for the second video posted...the mind boggles.

    Honestly, and controversial as this will sound.
    I don't believe that in actual development and social justice terms the US is a 1st world country anymore.

    Lots of decrepit infrastructure, incredibly fragmented police and judicial system.
    Huge swathes of the population are for want of a better term subsisting rather than thriving or improving.

    If a measure of a society is how one looks after its weakest members, any society that criminalizes its children!
    That sets cable ties, and school police officers as the exemplar for discipline and correction!

    Is not a failing society, its already failed.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    In a country where its divided by the riotous right and the looney left, what do you expect.

    Then it's the people with common sense and cop on caught up in the middle.

    Moderate is far better than being a looney leftie or strident right...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    America is a very sick society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    To be honest, I'm very conflicted here.

    The little girl hit 3 members of staff. You can't let a child get away with that.

    Now here's the kicker. What can the teachers do to restrain a child that's trying to hit them? They can do sweet fcukall to be honest because as soon as they put their hand on the child, then they are in trouble.

    So, the teachers call the cops. I personally would have called her parents but we don't know the full story, maybe they weren't available to collect the child.

    From looking at the video clip, the cop seems to be gentle enough with the child.

    Do I think there is any need to restrain a child in this instance? Probably not. But I'm sure the procedure is there to handcuff whoever is being taken away so the cop was probably only following procedure.

    I'd prefer to live in a world where 6 year olds don't have to be handcuffed but you can't have kids being allowed to punch people willy nilly with no consequences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'd prefer to live in a world where 6 year olds don't have to be handcuffed

    You can, it's called "not America".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    You can, it's called "not America".

    its also called proper parenting and bringing up a child correctly and doing your job as a parent. No child should be hitting adults and never a teacher - probably learned it at home which is the circle of violence and bad behaviour. If parents cannot or will not parent , discipline and control their children then they expect other agencies to step in and there to be consequences for their actions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    You are worse than him. He got fired for breaching protocol. You, if you had your way, would bring someone before a court and prosecute them when they didn't break any laws.

    Hush now, don't be silly.

    Anyone with eyes could see the nature of this cop and he has history.

    https://www.theroot.com/florida-officer-who-detained-a-6-year-old-for-throwing-1841917176

    "Turner was disciplined no less than seven times for violating department policy, including injuring his 7-year-old son. Records show Turner, who retired last year and was working in OPD’s Reserve Unit when he arrested Kaia, was also accused of racial profiling and sending threatening texts to his ex-wife."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Any teacher who calls the cops to a 6 year old should nto be in charge of children. What hurt can a 6 year old inflict? Come on now! If it were a 16 year old. but six?

    If they have so little cop on and discipline they need to retrain and yes I have taught some rough kids in my time.

    THREE teachers unable to cope with ONE small child? There is more to this than meets the eye
    Much more.

    And the effect on that child?


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    To be honest, I'm very conflicted here.

    The little girl hit 3 members of staff. You can't let a child get away with that.

    Now here's the kicker. What can the teachers do to restrain a child that's trying to hit them? They can do sweet fcukall to be honest because as soon as they put their hand on the child, then they are in trouble.

    So, the teachers call the cops. I personally would have called her parents but we don't know the full story, maybe they weren't available to collect the child.

    From looking at the video clip, the cop seems to be gentle enough with the child.

    Do I think there is any need to restrain a child in this instance? Probably not. But I'm sure the procedure is there to handcuff whoever is being taken away so the cop was probably only following procedure.

    I'd prefer to live in a world where 6 year olds don't have to be handcuffed but you can't have kids being allowed to punch people willy nilly with no consequences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,282 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'd prefer to live in a world where 6 year olds don't have to be handcuffed but you can't have kids being allowed to punch people willy nilly with no consequences.

    Agree with this 100% the failing is multi-level and IMO the values learned at home are those that are carried throughout life.

    Moral, social and personal responsibility all begin with the family unit.
    Where children can see behaviour such as the child in the video as being a normal interaction, it surely raises questions as to why they see it as normalized.

    It's only compounded however when trained (hopefully) education workers and teachers cannot deescalate a tantrum without resort to police intervention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Cant do the time, dont do the crime


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,558 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    banie01 wrote: »
    Agree with this 100% the failing is multi-level and IMO the values learned at home are those that are carried throughout life.

    Moral, social and personal responsibility all begin with the family unit.
    Where children can see behaviour such as the child in the video as being a normal interaction, it surely raises questions as to why they see it as normalized.

    It's only compounded however when trained (hopefully) education workers and teachers cannot deescalate a tantrum without resort to police intervention.

    failings may be 'multi level' but no fu(king cop anywhere should see fit to put a 6 year old child in restraints...

    that's mental


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,352 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The gimp talking in the video sounds like he shouldn't be near the general population let alone kids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    jesus, it is on the same level as that time the horseback cops in texas arrested a black man and led him through the streets by a length of rope. It was reminiscent of the days when escaped slaves were apprehended and dragged back to their masters.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/03/texas-galveston-police-black-man-led-by-rope-donald-neely


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Hush now, don't be silly.

    Anyone with eyes could see the nature of this cop and he has history.

    https://www.theroot.com/florida-officer-who-detained-a-6-year-old-for-throwing-1841917176

    "Turner was disciplined no less than seven times for violating department policy, including injuring his 7-year-old son. Records show Turner, who retired last year and was working in OPD’s Reserve Unit when he arrested Kaia, was also accused of racial profiling and sending threatening texts to his ex-wife."




    Seems the cop was sacked , not for the use of cable ties on the kid but for not following protocol.


    His other "problems" are a different issue to the 6 year old


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    What an absolute ****hole of a country


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    No history, no culture, no class.


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