Fencing

brownswiss

Hi. A friend of mine has bought 10 or 12 acres in the Newbridge area and plans to sheep fence plus a stand off electric wire for horses . Any idea on a metre rate by contractors and a metre rate just for materiel . He will be using hi tensile 2' 8" and a high tensile wire on top plus stand off probably in equine tape .

Could you recommend a contractor in that area .

I have suggested he use PDM posts but open to correction as they are not what they used to be......

There was a guy advertising before the ploughing that he was selling a far superior post but someone on boards disputed that and also named him so they must be fairly sure of their facts....... or else they are not supporters of The Tractor Protest

wrangler

brownswiss wrote: »

Hi. A friend of mine has bought 10 or 12 acres in the Newbridge area and plans to sheep fence plus a stand off electric wire for horses . Any idea on a metre rate by contractors and a metre rate just for materiel . He will be using hi tensile 2' 8" and a high tensile wire on top plus stand off probably in equine tape .

Could you recommend a contractor in that area .

I have suggested he use PDM posts but open to correction as they are not what they used to be......

There was a guy advertising before the ploughing that he was selling a far superior post but someone on boards disputed that and also named him so they must be fairly sure of their facts....... or else they are not supporters of The Tractor Protest

I'M using those stakes, they're good dense timber with preservative going into the centre, don't know if they'll last as long as he claims though

brownswiss

wrangler wrote: »

I'M using those stakes, they're good dense timber with preservative going into the centre, don't know if they'll last as long as he claims though

.......

I am glad to hear that..... He was very convincing in his sales pitch

Homer jay

Sorry to hijack the thread but I am looking for recommendations on people’s preferences on hi tensile sheep wire for a sheep fencing grant, have done some with what was supposed to be tinsley but not too happy as the uprights are sliding on the horizontal wires. Thanks in advance, Homer.

westernmyth

X fence is brilliant rigid uprights in a single wire top to bottom, mc namaras in Cork have it

Homer jay

westernmyth wrote: »

X fence is brilliant rigid uprights in a single wire top to bottom, mc namaras in Cork have it

Thanks westernmyth, I am in mayo does anyone know of anyone in connacht that does it ? Any idea how much per 100m the xfence is ?

foxirl

Homer jay wrote: »

Thanks westernmyth, I am in mayo does anyone know of anyone in connacht that does it ? Any idea how much per 100m the xfence is ?

Bough 9-80-22 sfence from clipex last week which I think is the same as xfence. 120 ex vat for 100 meter roll. Based in clare but they can arrange delivery at a price.

Homer jay

foxirl wrote: »

Bough 9-80-22 sfence from clipex last week which I think is the same as xfence. 120 ex vat for 100 meter roll. Based in clare but they can arrange delivery at a price.

Thanks for that foxirl, I have been using 8/80/15 so far, do many use the 22 spacing ?

wrangler

Homer jay wrote: »

Thanks for that foxirl, I have been using 8/80/15 so far, do many use the 22 spacing ?

22 spacing is ideal at ditches in that sheep grazing the ditchee don't get their head caught the same as the 15 spacing .
I don't believe 22 spacing is good enough out in the field, it encourages sheep to graze through it

Homer jay

wrangler wrote: »

22 spacing is ideal at ditches in that sheep grazing the ditchee don't get their head caught the same as the 15 spacing .
I don't believe 22 spacing is good enough out in the field, it encourages sheep to graze through it

Thank you wangler, the most thing I would be worried about is the last wire I put up was supposed to be Tinsley and the uprights are sliding on the horizontal wires if the sheep were putting their heads through the 22 it would be worse. What brand of wire would you recommend yourself ?

wrangler

Homer jay wrote: »

Thank you wangler, the most thing I would be worried about is the last wire I put up was supposed to be Tinsley and the uprights are sliding on the horizontal wires if the sheep were putting their heads through the 22 it would be worse. What brand of wire would you recommend yourself ?

mainly tornado but tinsley too, I've never noticed the uprights moving, are you sure it was tinsley, plenty of cowboys out there

Homer jay

wrangler wrote: »

mainly tornado but tinsley too, I've never noticed the uprights moving, are you sure it was tinsley, plenty of cowboys out there

Thought I had good ones doing it .... FRS done it.

wrangler

Homer jay wrote: »

Thought I had good ones doing it .... FRS done it.

They'd have used proper wire

Homer jay

wrangler wrote: »

They'd have used proper wire

That's what i thought when I got them to do the fencing.

Homer jay

This is the label on the rolls of sheep wire.

Homer jay

This is how the wire was after it was put up, no cattle or sheep had been in the field after it was done.

davidk1394

That looks like the Spanish wire. I don't know the name of it. Use tornado sheep wire here. It's pricey but some stuff to work with.

Homer jay

davidk1394 wrote: »

That looks like the Spanish wire. I don't know the name of it. Use tornado sheep wire here. It's pricey but some stuff to work with.

The rest of the fencing they using tornado, hopefully there won't be an problems with it.

memorystick

What do lads use to fence gaps and weak stretches of ditches? I assume the ordinary mild steal is ok. Nailing to trees and stakes so it won’t be level. Sound

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

What do lads use to fence gaps and weak stretches of ditches? I assume the ordinary mild steal is ok. Nailing to trees and stakes so it won’t be level. Sound

Better to use high tensile, there's not much difference in cost, mild steel won't stay firm

Ashill5

Homer jay wrote: »

Thought I had good ones doing it .... FRS done it.

How much a metre were they. Thinking of doing a good buy of fencing this year but it will be a while before I'll even get it even priced the way things are going.

wrangler

Homer jay wrote: »

This is the label on the rolls of sheep wire.

It's not Tinsley so, You should complain to FRS, It's a messy job, you'd imagine someone moved all the vertical wires. if youstill have the label you should complain to them too

Homer jay

wrangler wrote: »

It's not Tinsley so, You should complain to FRS, It's a messy job, you'd imagine someone moved all the vertical wires. if youstill have the label you should complain to them too

They are saying it's Tinsley as Tinsley was bought out by this other crowd a few years ago and you cannot get wire with the Tinsley name on it anymore.

paddysdream

Homer jay wrote: »

They are saying it's Tinsley as Tinsley was bought out by this other crowd a few years ago and you cannot get wire with the Tinsley name on it anymore.

Glanbia first result on Google

https://www.glanbiaconnect.com/shop/product/Tinsley-%28Rylock%29-Green-High-Tensile-Stockfence-Sheep-Wire/B9003085

On their (FRS) website they have both that and Tornado wire under DIY fencing.

https://frsfencing.ie/diy-stores/

As an aside does anyone think that green sheepwire looks sh**e ?.Always use plain unless farmer supplies the green stuff.Personal preference.

Homer jay

paddysdream wrote: »

Glanbia first result on Google

https://www.glanbiaconnect.com/shop/product/Tinsley-%28Rylock%29-Green-High-Tensile-Stockfence-Sheep-Wire/B9003085

On the bottom of the label it says Betafence, that's the company that bought out Tinsley. That's what he was telling me. What wire would you recommend or use yourself Paddy when fencing ? Did you ever use the creosote stakes from agriknives ?

paddysdream

Homer jay wrote: »

On the bottom of the label it says Betafence, that's the company that bought out Tinsley. That's what he was telling me. What wire would you recommend or use yourself Paddy when fencing ? Did you ever use the creosote stakes from agriknives ?

Tornado mostly but thats what the crowd I mainly deal with have.
Once its HT it should do the job although some wire is "softer "than others.Nothing bad just it seems easier to tie off.Off the top of my head not sure which brands.
Have 60m of sheepwire and barbed to do tomorrow.
Usual panic job so panic price gonna have to be paid !!!

Never used those stakes but cant be any worse than others.No stakes seem to last any more.See Balcas ones here at home rotted away in 6/7 years.Put up octo ones last year and they were dripping preservative.Rotten job as gloves etc destroyed in an hour.

See people saying that agriknives stakes are dark the whole way through but is that of any use?Once the stake is sealed moisture shouldnt get into it to rot it I assume.ESB poles are not cresoted to the centre and they seem to last a long time

Havent used clipex yet but a friend does a good bit of it and swears by it.Not much dearer he reckons but then he wouldn't be the cheapest at any time.Different sheep wire used for it.Only issue is meeting a stone and bending one I presume.

paddysdream

Wouldn't be too worried re. the brand as most HT wire should be up to spec and to be honest FR would probably use pretty decent stuff.

Think its more that Tinsley is about the only brand name of wire that most people know about.

memorystick

Is it hard to handle high tensile when doing gaps and banks of ditches? Not a clear run.

MIKEKC

wrangler wrote: »

It's not Tinsley so, You should complain to FRS, It's a messy job, you'd imagine someone moved all the vertical wires. if youstill have the label you should complain to them too

Agree with wrangler, very hard to be looking at that for the next number of years. If It was me I'd have stopped them as soon as I saw it

paddysdream

MIKEKC wrote: »

Agree with wrangler, very hard to be looking at that for the next number of years. If It was me I'd have stopped them as soon as I saw it

Any picture's of the job ?Agree the uprights like that looks poor.Sometimes bars get pulled but would normally tap them back into line.

Kevhog1988

brownswiss wrote: »

Hi. A friend of mine has bought 10 or 12 acres in the Newbridge area and plans to sheep fence plus a stand off electric wire for horses . Any idea on a metre rate by contractors and a metre rate just for materiel . He will be using hi tensile 2' 8" and a high tensile wire on top plus stand off probably in equine tape .

Could you recommend a contractor in that area .

I have suggested he use PDM posts but open to correction as they are not what they used to be......

There was a guy advertising before the ploughing that he was selling a far superior post but someone on boards disputed that and also named him so they must be fairly sure of their facts....... or else they are not supporters of The Tractor Protest

Hi did you get sorted?. Dad used to work with a fella during the recession doing a bit of fencing. Hes in Prosperous. I can get you the number?. Pm me if you want it

Green farmer

paddysdream wrote: »

Havent used clipex yet but a friend does a good bit of it and swears by it.Not much dearer he reckons but then he wouldn't be the cheapest at any time.Different sheep wire used for it.Only issue is meeting a stone and bending one I presume.

Just finishing putting up my first clipex fence here. Early days, but think it's a superb product compared to the timber stakes. If you hit a stone while driving them, just lift it out and move a inch or two. Same as a stake. Or if you've gone too far and cannt pull it out, just put your whole weight against it, to bend it slightly. They are fair strong though. Once you use with a good HT wire, think they'll be a life time job.

farawaygrass

Would there be any chance of the stakes moving in the ground if anything scratches against it? Smaller spike in ground to take pressure

Green farmer

farawaygrass wrote: »

Would there be any chance of the stakes moving in the ground if anything scratches against it? Smaller spike in ground to take pressure

If your asking do the clipex posts move, no they dont. you drive them down deeper then a timber post, so they feel more stable then a regular stake. Cannt see the sheep being able to budge them. Tbh, they feel rock solid.

drive it

Anyone use then in boggy ground ?

brownswiss

theemigrant wrote: »

Hi did you get sorted?. Dad used to work with a fella during the recession doing a bit of fencing. Hes in Prosperous. I can get you the number?. Pm me if you want it

....Thanks.... No did not get sorted.... I might take a bus man's holiday at his place if the virus ever disappears and help him do some fencing

Capra

paddysdream wrote: »

Tornado mostly but thats what the crowd I mainly deal with have.
Once its HT it should do the job although some wire is "softer "than others.Nothing bad just it seems easier to tie off.Off the top of my head not sure which brands.
Have 60m of sheepwire and barbed to do tomorrow.
Usual panic job so panic price gonna have to be paid !!!

Never used those stakes but cant be any worse than others.No stakes seem to last any more.See Balcas ones here at home rotted away in 6/7 years.Put up octo ones last year and they were dripping preservative.Rotten job as gloves etc destroyed in an hour.

See people saying that agriknives stakes are dark the whole way through but is that of any use?Once the stake is sealed moisture shouldnt get into it to rot it I assume.ESB poles are not cresoted to the centre and they seem to last a long time

Havent used clipex yet but a friend does a good bit of it and swears by it.Not much dearer he reckons but then he wouldn't be the cheapest at any time.Different sheep wire used for it.Only issue is meeting a stone and bending one I presume.

Agriknives might or might not have a good post but the guy is a liar which would put me off straight away. He spends all his time slating off everyone elses products. He tells people that pdm posts will last 8 years maximum which is total bollocks.

And then he tells people there is a 40 year guarantee but the lads on the stand at the ploughing from the treatment plant told me explicitly that there is no guarantee with them. He doesn't offer any proof or terms and conditions of the guarantee as far as I know either so I'd love to know how he enforces it. They are very expensive too. There are other good suppliers doing creosote timber without having to deal with a total ****ehawk. I rang him up for prices and he was telling me outright lies about the people I deal with for years.

wrangler

Capra wrote: »

Agriknives might or might not have a good post but the guy is a liar which would put me off straight away. He spends all his time slating off everyone elses products. He tells people that pdm posts will last 8 years maximum which is total bollocks.

And then he tells people there is a 40 year guarantee but the lads on the stand at the ploughing from the treatment plant told me explicitly that there is no guarantee with them. He doesn't offer any proof or terms and conditions of the guarantee as far as I know either so I'd love to know how he enforces it. They are very expensive too. There are other good suppliers doing creosote timber without having to deal with a total ****ehawk. I rang him up for prices and he was telling me outright lies about the people I deal with for years.

The first hundred I got seem to be good, the second hundred were very white he said they'd get dark. they didn't, they're the ones that are cracking up and down from the staples. He claims now that farmers are broke and not buying stakes but it's because they've copped on to him

Nekarsulm

Capra wrote: »

Agriknives might or might not have a good post but the guy is a liar which would put me off straight away. He spends all his time slating off everyone elses products. He tells people that pdm posts will last 8 years maximum which is total bollocks.

And then he tells people there is a 40 year guarantee but the lads on the stand at the ploughing from the treatment plant told me explicitly that there is no guarantee with them. He doesn't offer any proof or terms and conditions of the guarantee as far as I know either so I'd love to know how he enforces it. They are very expensive too. There are other good suppliers doing creosote timber without having to deal with a total ****ehawk. I rang him up for prices and he was telling me outright lies about the people I deal with for years.

Never met the lad, no connection with him personally nor commercially, but these are what he sells.
Clearly mentions 40 years.

Kevhog1988

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Never met the lad, no connection with him personally nor commercially, but these are what he sells.
Clearly mentions 40 years.

is he the guy based in the midlands?

Capra

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Never met the lad, no connection with him personally nor commercially, but these are what he sells.
Clearly mentions 40 years.

An expected service life of 40 years is not the same as a guarantee. A guarantee means they will be replaced if they fail. Sure tanalised posts have an "expected service life" of 20 years according to the nsai certification but they last 10 years at a push.

He's basically selling the same product as everyone else who imports creosoted timber but he buys them from England where they are less competitive. There are dozens of places selling the exact same product for less money.