Eamonn Ryan Green Party

Gringo180

Anybody see his interview on Tv3 the other morning. Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work, and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen :pac:

Give me strength. Away with the fairies.

Idbatterim

Gringo180 wrote: »

Anybody see his interview on Tv3 the other morning. Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work, and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen :pac:

Give me strength. Away with the fairies.

LOL! are you serios? he actually drives a diesel? with the bloody money that hypocrite is on, you'd think he would get a Tesla long range or whatever, if he does need something with serious range for drives. Those in the dail claiming mileage, should only be allowed do so now for electric in my opinion. They are creaming it off claiming on the diesel and mileage...

biko

First Oct 10, 2019

Green Party leader Eamon Ryan has suggested that a village of 300 people needs just 30 cars to operate.

“We don’t all need to own a car. Most of our cars are sitting in a car park for 95 per cent of the time,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/green-party-leader-calls-for-car-pooling-scheme-for-rural-ireland-1.4046585

Then Oct 11th 2019

'We deeply regret the hurt this has caused': Eamon Ryan says he does not want to restrict cars in rural Ireland

The Green Party does not stand for restricting car ownership, and to state otherwise is a huge misrepresentation of the party position and of Eamon’s comments.

https://www.thejournal.ie/car-pooling-eamon-ryan-4847511-Oct2019/

Muppets

_Brian

Eamon Ryan and to a lesser extent Saoirse McHugh are toxic to the Green Party and cost them allot of votes in the election.

With the global green wave you’d expect the greens to be in the top three parties but in reality while they did increase seats they are poorly represented with seats.

Eamon’s talk of carpooling and releasing wolves made him toxic in rural Ireland. Saoirse just comes across as a stoner with no real grasp on reality.

careless sherpa

Gringo180 wrote: »

Anybody see his interview on Tv3 the other morning. Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work, and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen :pac:

Give me strength. Away with the fairies.

Maybe he should focus his ire on the SUV drivers in the south of the city doing the school drops.

LuckyLloyd

Whatever about the rest, the accusation he drives to and from work in a diesel car is incorrect.

LeinsterDub

Gringo180 wrote: »

Anybody see his interview on Tv3 the other morning. Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work, and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen :pac:

Give me strength. Away with the fairies.

No he said a rural village should have access to a car share which is completely different to what you said

biko

Gringo180 wrote: »

and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

the accusation he drives to and from work in a diesel car is incorrect.

If only either of you had sources to back up your claim, that'd be great.

Grab All Association

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Whatever about the rest, the accusation he drives to and from work in a diesel car is incorrect.

Pretty sure I seen him leaving Dáil Éireann on Rté news in a Volkswagen Caravelle with the noise of a Diesel engine inside in the background

LeinsterDub

Grab All Association wrote: »

Pretty sure I seen him leaving Dáil Éireann on Rté news in a Volkswagen Caravelle with the noise of a Diesel engine inside in the background

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/jetting-to-global-warming-events-takes-a-toll-on-eamons-footprint-34555840.html

Biodiesel

Calhoun

Gringo180 wrote: »

Anybody see his interview on Tv3 the other morning. Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work, and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen :pac:

Give me strength. Away with the fairies.

He is regurgitating what his party were saying during the election.

One of his members already mentioned this on another program.

Will see how hard they push the crazy non workable ideas as a way to show they aren't going to tax the ****e out of everything.

LeinsterDub

Calhoun wrote: »

He is regurgitating what his party were saying during the election.

One of his members already mentioned this on another program.

Will see how hard they push the crazy non workable ideas as a way to show they aren't going to tax the ****e out of everything.

What exactly is unworkable about having the additional option of using a car share?

What exactly, quotes from their manifesto please is it you think the Green's are planning to tax?

s7ryf3925pivug

Oh ffs I'm really surprised they are still saying that
They said something like that a few months ago, right after saying we should reintroduce wolves.

It's obviously an idea completely disconnected from reality. It's weird that they haven't realised that since the last time they said it. No shortage of people pointing it out.

For anyone who doesn't get it: Where I live, there is a bus one day a week. The road to the city is narrow and windy and without a footpath. It is not safe to cycle or walk. Most people need to travel that to get to their work. This is a typical situation for plenty of villages.

I voted greens, and I'm totally onboard with environmentalist policies. But they need to be connected to reality. They can't just conjure up their ideals. Need to start with how things actually are right now.

TuringBot47

Gringo180 wrote: »

Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work

Idiotic... but on the other hand, if a large number of them worked for the same company then maybe they should give the company a tax incentive to provide a shuttle bus to work. Or tax breaks for car pooling.

Mr Tickle

careless sherpa wrote: »

Maybe he should focus his ire on the SUV drivers in the south of the city doing the school drops.

These drive me nuts. Not specifically the school-run aspect of it but basically anyone with a clean SUV. We have a lot narrow streets with on-street parking in our old cities and towns. SUV's just clog these and make more traffic.

Basically unless your Jeep is muddy up as far as the windows you shouldn't have one.

NIMAN

I live rurally.

I work shifts so am away at 615am.

So do I have to walk to the centre of the village to pick up my communal car?

I would then be away until 8pm, so that's one car out of action for the entire day just for me.

I'm sure plenty of other people would be heading away in one car with no passengers too.

Think it's a totally madcap idea.

If anything, it's city folk who should be car sharing. Wait no, they don't have to, they actually have things called buses. Imagine if they could get the huge population centres to use PT rather than get a couple of hundred people to share cars in the countryside .

gmisk

He is fairly poor imo Catherine Martin would be a much better leader for them

LeinsterDub

Alia Future Squalor wrote: »

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It's obviously an idea completely disconnected from reality.

Why are you opposed to additional choice?

Calhoun

LeinsterDub wrote: »

What exactly is unworkable about having the additional option of using a car share?

What exactly, quotes from their manifesto please is it you think the Green's are planning to tax?

Additional option is it eh, just rock up in a family of 5 and the go car be ready to go and that will solve all the rural problems. Of all the ways they could have more green items for rural Ireland this one is probably the one that is the worst way around doing it. I wouldn't put it past them as a way of outlawing the car in rural Ireland.

I don't know about their manifesto but based upon comments made in debates during the election they are planning more taxes.

That's how the greens work in ireland. Everyone in Ireland should be scared of wackos who believe in degrowth. We can only be thankful that it never got through their last convention.

LeinsterDub

NIMAN wrote: »

I live rurally.

I work shifts so am away at 615am.

So do I have to walk to the centre of the village to pick up my communal car?

I would then be away until 8pm, so that's one car out of action for the entire day just for me.

I'm sure plenty of other people would be heading away in one car with no passengers too.

Think it's a totally madcap idea.

If anything, it's city folk who should be car sharing. Wait no, they don't have to, they actually have things called buses. Imagine if they could get the huge population centres to use PT rather than get a couple of hundred people to share cars in the countryside .

No you get in your car like you normally do. Jesus people this isn't a difficult concept. Now say your adult child lives and works locally but want to go to Dublin while you're in work they take a car share

Xcellor

We need tax breaks like maybe reduced PRSI contributions for companies when workers are given the ability to work remotely. This would be a green policy I could get behind.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

The Greens are just blueshirts on bikes.

gmisk

Gringo180 wrote: »

Anybody see his interview on Tv3 the other morning. Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work, and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen :pac:

Give me strength. Away with the fairies.

I thought he apologised for saying this last year...why would he be saying it again?!

https://www.thejournal.ie/car-pooling-eamon-ryan-4847511-Oct2019/

I would think car pooling would suit some people even in fairly rural areas? As an additional option to owning a car?
My folks for example have 2 cars id say my mum drives hers about once a week max

s7ryf3925pivug

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Why are you opposed to additional choice?

Huh?

No additional choice was mentioned in the OP. I didnt read the interview itself so maybe I'm missing context?

LeinsterDub

Calhoun wrote: »

Additional option is it eh, just rock up in a family of 5 and the go car be ready to go and that will solve all the rural problems. Of all the ways they could have more green items for rural Ireland this one is probably the one that is the worst way around doing it. I wouldn't put it past them as a way of outlawing the car in rural Ireland.

I don't know about their manifesto but based upon comments made in debates during the election they are planning more taxes.

That's how the greens work in ireland. Everyone in Ireland should be scared of wackos who believe in degrowth. We can only be thankful that it never got through their last convention.

No you use your current car. No one is talking about taking that away. If any where would have a car ban its urban areas where it's actually workable.

So no additional taxes your aware of so.

You've invented a fictional Green Party

Calhoun

gmisk wrote: »

I thought he apologised for saying this last year...why would he be saying it again?!
https://www.thejournal.ie/car-pooling-eamon-ryan-4847511-Oct2019/

I would say if he did apologize it was only to throw the scent off temporarily. He had quite a few pieces out before the election to try and impress that he wasn't going to tax the bollox off of people.

Pity he didn't communicate it to some of his members. We had this bat**** crazy idea come out of some of them, taxes on airtravel from others for all. I would say those were the tip of the iceberg.

LeinsterDub

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Idiotic... but on the other hand, if a large number of them worked for the same company then maybe they should give the company a tax incentive to provide a shuttle bus to work. Or tax breaks for car pooling.

That would be idiotic which is why it's not the proposal

Calhoun

LeinsterDub wrote: »

No you use your current car. No one is talking about taking that away. If any where would have a car ban its urban areas where it's actually workable.

So no additional taxes your aware of so.

You've invented a fictional Green Party

Sorry Eamonn i didn't think we were offending you so much. Why don't you go have an auld wee jaunt on your bike you will feel better.

The 10 euro tax on all and flight musnt be a tax eh.

banie01

Steyr 556 wrote: »

The Greens are just blueshirts on bikes.

I'm on a crowded bus at the moment, stuck in traffic and hoping for bus lanes...

I laughed so hard at this, that people now know I'm a weirdo and my bubble of personal space has increased as the other passengers move to distance themselves.

Thank you!
The smells of the peasant wagon are now no longer overpowering the Vicks in my nostrils

LeinsterDub

Alia Future Squalor wrote: »

Huh?

No additional choice was mentioned in the OP. I didnt read the interview itself so maybe I'm missing context?

The OP has either misunderstood the proposal or is being disingenuous.
The proposal doesn't in any way limit your ability to own an operate a private vehicle

NIMAN

LeinsterDub wrote: »

No you get in your car like you normally do. Jesus people this isn't a difficult concept. Now say your adult child lives and works locally but want to go to Dublin while you're in work they take a car share

So if those 5 people are heading to say Dublin, they all need to leave at the same time and they also need to leave work at the same time to get home?

It's a grand concept, but the real world doesn't work like this.

To expect perhaps 5 people who work in 5 different places in Dublin all to be able to get out of work at the same time.

And the last person out of the car has to drive around Dublin and collect them all again to go home?

It's easy to make huge brush stroke statements about car sharing but in reality it's a lot more complicated than that.

My own workplace allows workers to register for CS, but even if 2 people share a car, which is th3 simplest form, I know it can bring issues. What if the driver has to leave work early? Gets sick? Takes a half day? This has all happened with our work and they had to taxi the other person home.

s7ryf3925pivug

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The OP has either misunderstood the proposal or is being disingenuous.
The proposal doesn't in any way limit your ability to own an operate a private vehicle

Well what is the actual proposal?

You're flatly disagreeing with a lot of posts, but you aren't actually explaining where you're coming from.

Mr Tickle

Calhoun wrote: »

Additional option is it eh, just rock up in a family of 5 and the go car be ready to go and that will solve all the rural problems. Of all the ways they could have more green items for rural Ireland this one is probably the one that is the worst way around doing it. I wouldn't put it past them as a way of outlawing the car in rural Ireland.

Again, a family of 5 should, of course, have their own car. And if you're organised enough that you all share a spin in the morning, more power to you, you're part of the solution.

But as was said above, maybe there's no need for the third car in certain households. If someone lives and works locally but wants the car once per week to do a big shop, or has to go on the occasional longer trip to visit someone then they could save money by not paying for insurance & maintenance of a car.

BarryD2

Alia Future Squalor wrote: »

Oh ffs I'm really surprised they are still saying that
They said something like that a few months ago, right after saying we should reintroduce wolves.

It's obviously an idea completely disconnected from reality. It's weird that they haven't realised that since the last time they said it. No shortage of people pointing it out.

For anyone who doesn't get it: Where I live, there is a bus one day a week. The road to the city is narrow and windy and without a footpath. It is not safe to cycle or walk. Most people need to travel that to get to their work. This is a typical situation for plenty of villages.

I voted greens, and I'm totally onboard with environmentalist policies. But they need to be connected to reality. They can't just conjure up their ideals. Need to start with how things actually are right now.

This indeed - but then again the Greens have become an urban party for citizens who are either reasonably well off or idealistic.

I've followed them for many years, even canvassed for candidates in the past but they've changed over time. Guardians of the environment was once their calling card but now happy to promote widespread environmental vandalism in the construction of industrial wind farms for example. But that doesn't matter anymore as long as these sites are well outside the urban areas. Put them in Dublin Bay - another matter altogether.

LeinsterDub

Calhoun wrote: »

Sorry Eamonn i didn't think we were offending you so much. Why don't you go have an auld wee jaunt on your bike you will feel better.

The 10 euro tax on all and flight musnt be a tax eh.

No that is one. I'd forgotten about that
I'd love to have a wee jaunt but we've no decent cycling infrastructure

Calhoun

Alia Future Squalor wrote: »

Huh?

No additional choice was mentioned in the OP. I didnt read the interview itself so maybe I'm missing context?

I don't think any context is missing do you think the greens would put an option in place and leave it at that , this stupid option more than likely will be offset by a nice expensive tax on private car ownership or fuel.

This is a party who's members believe in economic degrowth.

Salary Negotiator

More car shares is a great idea.

I live in a large village and we have 2 cars. 1 we both share to work and 1 that just sits there unused, I think it’s done about 2000km in the last 6 months. I’d like to get rid of it and just rent a car when needed but the nearest car rental is 40km away.

If the village or the estate had a load of go cars or similar we could get rid of the second car and have tax, insurance, maintenance, depreciation etc savings of over €1000 a year.

LeinsterDub

NIMAN wrote: »

So if those 5 people are heading to say Dublin, they all need to leave at the same time and they also need to leave work at the same time to get home?

It's a grand concept, but the real world doesn't work like this.

To expect perhaps 5 people who work in 5 different places in Dublin all to be able to get out of work at the same time.

And the last person out of the car has to drive around Dublin and collect them all again to go home?

It's easy to make huge brush stroke statements about car sharing but in reality it's a lot more complicated than that.

My own workplace allows workers to register for CS, but even if 2 people share a car, which is th3 simplest form, I know it can bring issues. What if the driver has to leave work early? Gets sick? Takes a half day? This has all happened with our work and they had to taxi the other person home.

The scheme isn't intended for commuting . It's for when the primary car user and owner has the car and you want to go to the next town for an hour. The idea is to help families not need multiple cars.

LeinsterDub

Calhoun wrote: »

I don't think any context is missing do you think the greens would put an option in place and leave it at that , this stupid option more than likely will be offset by a nice expensive tax on private car ownership or fuel.

This is a party who's members believe in economic degrowth.

Any evidence of a the proposal suggesting banning private ownership?

NIMAN

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The scheme isn't intended for commuting . It's for when the primary car user and owner has the car and you want to go to the next town for an hour. The idea is to help families not need multiple cars.

But this will mean that the communal car will very often, if not all the time, have a single person in it.

So is it to help the environment or to help rural people save money on 2nd cars?

LeinsterDub

NIMAN wrote: »

But this will mean that the communal car will very often, if not all the time, have a single person in it.

So is it to help the environment or to help rural people save money on 2nd cars?

Which is what is currently happening. It's both building cars is very carbon intensive and to save on 2nd cars

Dakota Dan

Gringo180 wrote: »

Anybody see his interview on Tv3 the other morning. Said a rural village of 300 people should share 30 cars between them to commute to work, and this lad driving to work in a 2.5 Ltr Diesel Volkswagen :pac:

Give me strength. Away with the fairies.

Yep all villagers work with the same company, the man is living in cuckoo land all the more reason to keep the idiots out of government.

jam_mac_jam

Calm down everyone nobody is taking your cars away.

NIMAN

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Which is what is currently happening. It's both building cars is very carbon intensive and to save on 2nd cars

By this logic, no household in a big city should be allowed a 2nd car, considering you all have PT.

Just wondering LeinsterDub, do you honestly believe the rural pool of communal cars is genuinely a workable idea? It's fantastic on paper, but it's not realistic.

punisher5112

He does cycle from time to time, when they were in guberment last time he nearly killed himself while thinking it was fine to cut across the wrong way on lesson street in front of the bus I was driving, he was extremely lucky I could stop in time and nobody on board was injured I had to brake that hard.....

Cycling head on towards a bus wouldn't be the brightest.

He certainly has a caravelle and shes a dirty yoke spewing out Nox big time.....

s7ryf3925pivug

No footpath outside our house. So not safe to walk with our toddler outside.
So if we were to ditch our second car, I'd need to use the communal car to get to work so my wife could use our private car with our kid.

I can't see there being one reliably available at commuting times.

And what about medical emergencies? Takes ages for an ambulance to get out to us. After our first emergency, we were told to get in the car and start driving and call the ambulance in the way to meet halfway.
Baby's not breathing. I'll just nip down to the village and grab a communal car?

The problem is **** infrastructure which is a result of stingy public spending. Invest in infrastructure to fix the problem. This idea is just window dressing for it.

NIMAN

Medical emergencies are enough of an example for this not to work.

People won't take the chance. They'll pay for a 2nd car just in case. Sometimes rural dwellers have to assume it could take an hour for an ambulance to get to them. And for that reason they will always like to have a car available at home.

LeinsterDub

NIMAN wrote: »

By this logic, no household in a big city should be allowed a 2nd car, considering you all have PT.

Just wondering LeinsterDub, do you honestly believe the rural pool of communal cars is genuinely a workable idea? It's fantastic on paper, but it's not realistic.

No one is talking about banning cars but I'd agree we shouldn't need to have mutlicar households in the city.

Why isn't it workable, your in work with the car the young lad has an u20 game again the club 2 villages over , he and the lads pick up a car share?

alias no.9

Where does Eamonn Ryan purchase road legal (duty paid) biodiesel?

A very sensible refocus of official biofuels policy was taken a number of years back to put a low percentage of biofuels in all road fuels (5% bioethanol in petrol and 7% biodiesel in diesel) rather than having a miniscule percentage using biofuels instead of traditional fuels, with a much greater overall effect.

The biofuels producers who previously retailled biodiesel for road use no longer do so, I believe the system under which they were licensed to retail biofuels for road use was shut down and instead they sell in bulk to the oil distributors who add it to their regular fuels.

LeinsterDub

Alia Future Squalor wrote: »

No footpath outside our house. So not safe to walk with our toddler outside.
So if we were to ditch our second car, I'd need to use the communal car to get to work so my wife could use our private car with our kid.

I can't see there being one reliably available at commuting times.

And what about medical emergencies? Takes ages for an ambulance to get out to us. After our first emergency, we were told to get in the car and start driving and call the ambulance in the way to meet halfway.
Baby's not breathing. I'll just nip down to the village and grab a communal car?

The problem is **** infrastructure which is a result of stingy public spending. Invest in infrastructure to fix the problem. This idea is just window dressing for it.

Just because an idea doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not workable for everyone.

LeinsterDub

NIMAN wrote: »

Medical emergencies are enough of an example for this not to work.

People won't take the chance. They'll pay for a 2nd car just in case. Sometimes rural dwellers have to assume it could take an hour for an ambulance to get to them. And for that reason they will always like to have a car available at home.

Fine you've 2 cars now but now you don't need car 3 , 4 and 5 for the young fellas.