Why are people still docking dogs' tails?

hamburgham

Why do so many people still dock dogs’ tails? It’s so sad. I wish there was some sort of educational campaign against it. The tail communicates so much to us and to other dogs.


The poor old Jack Russells seem to be particular victims, so often left with barely a stump after their tail has been hacked off. Barbaric. Could someone be prosecuted for this?

Redneck Reject71

hamburgham wrote: »

Why do so many people still dock dogs’ tails? It’s so sad. I wish there was some sort of educational campaign against it. The tail communicates so much to us and to other dogs.


The poor old Jack Russells seem to be particular victims, so often left with barely a stump after their tail has been hacked off. Barbaric. Could someone be prosecuted for this?

I thought they made that illegal here not so long ago?

Junkyard Tom

Sure they still cut bits off perfectly good babies' genitals because they believe some dude in Heaven thinks it's a good idea. We're simultaneously a very intelligent and fantastically stupid species.

Die Hard 2019

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Sure they still cut bits off perfectly good babies' genitals because they believe some dude in Heaven thinks it's a good idea. We're simultaneously a very intelligent and fantastically stupid species.

Who's they ?

SnazzyPig

It's to stop happy dogs knocking over expensive wine.

Junkyard Tom

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

Who's they ?

Jews, Muslims, and goodness knows who else.

Die Hard 2019

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Jews, Muslims, and goodness knows who else.

In America it seems to be very common among christians.

ILoveYourVibes

its illegal here

Bannasidhe

It's been illegal since 2014 for anyone except a vet or vet nurse to dock a dog's tail but there are exceptions where a pointer/spaniel/terrier is to be used in lawful hunting/pest control

Although there has been a few prosecutions as with all animal welfare laws the enforcement is patchy to say the least.

Guards aren't interested tbh so it's up to the ISPCA to bring prosecutions.
Their inspector network is limited and tbh even where it exists isn't always what it should be.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/125/made/en/print

Really if a dog less than 6 years old had a docked tail questions should be asked and if necessary very public prosecutions take place with large fines imposed and soon people would get the message.

But that's not happening.

tuxy

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

In America it seems to be very common among christians.

The majority are circumcised in America and it has very little to do with religion. It has to do with erroneous claims that it has health benefits.

Itssoeasy

I honestly didn't know terriers has their tails docked. For the majority of my life as a child and as an adult ive had boxers who have always had docked tails(the ears have never been touched because the look stupid imo) and yes I know they are born with tails but I'd never owned one with a tail and a boxer with a tail to me just looks strange.

jaxxx

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

I thought they made that illegal here not so long ago?

2014 according to Wikipedia (not that it's anyway reliable).

endacl

Itssoeasy wrote: »

a boxer with a tail to me just looks strange.

And a boxer without a tail doesn't look strange?!?

:pac:

Itssoeasy

endacl wrote: »

And a boxer without a tail doesn't look strange?!?

:pac:

Well to me no but as I said until it was banned it'd neither owned one nor seen a boxer with a tail. Anyway with my last dog dying just before Christmas that's my last one as I couldn't do that again.

BuboBubo

Because people are fcukin dumb.

I had a beautiful rescue dog with a docked tail, a Rottweiler. Poor thing must have been in agony. Rotties have lovely tails.

Don't get me started on the ear clipping nonsense on the poor bull-breeds, it's disgusting and so cruel.

Redneck Reject71

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Sure they still cut bits off perfectly good babies' genitals because they believe some dude in Heaven thinks it's a good idea. We're simultaneously a very intelligent and fantastically stupid species.

I don't understand why you would try to derail a thread about docking dog's tails with a religious theme?

Thelonious Monk

Why are people still eating pigs which never see the light of day?

Suckit

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I honestly didn't know terriers has their tails docked. For the majority of my life as a child and as an adult ive had boxers who have always had docked tails(the ears have never been touched because the look stupid imo) and yes I know they are born with tails but I'd never owned one with a tail and a boxer with a tail to me just looks strange.

It does look strange at first, but way better imho.

Redneck Reject71

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Why are people still eating pigs which never see the light of day?

My first job as a teenager was in a slaughterhouse, and to this day I still don't eat pork or beef.

SnazzyPig

It's an interesting debate. Personally I would never have a dog's tail docked but there are those that claim it affects a dog's confidence to not have a tail. Traditionally we have bred dogs for specific purposes and to serve those purposes the dog might be better off without a tail.

Scarinae

I only realised a few years ago that corgis actually have tails but they are normally docked. Their tails are often glorious too!

Airyfairy12

Seriously, people should be forced to take mandatory tests and courses before theyre allowed near an animal.

Why do some people get pets when theyve such a disrespect for animals?

Bannasidhe

BuboBubo wrote: »

Because people are fcukin dumb.

I had a beautiful rescue dog with a docked tail, a Rottweiler. Poor thing must have been in agony. Rotties have lovely tails.

Don't get me started on the ear clipping nonsense on the poor bull-breeds, it's disgusting and so cruel.

I have 5 rescues (4 jacks and a jack x corgi) and all their tails are docked
The jack x corgi had just the end of his tail docked leaving him with 3/4s of what he should have, all the jack were just left with stumps. :mad:

I used to have a jack and her tail wasn't docked, watching her use it as a rudder when she was swimming was a joy to behold - especially when she'd catch sight of me and start wagging it so end up going in circles.

Her tail was so expressive. She would even flip you off with it.

Redneck Reject71

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Seriously, people should be forced to take mandatory tests and courses before theyre allowed near an animal.

Why do some people get pets when theyve such a disrespect for animals?

Because that is the market the puppy farmers target unfortunately.

Bannasidhe

Scarinae wrote: »

I only realised a few years ago that corgis actually have tails but they are normally docked. Their tails are often glorious too!

Pembrokeshire corgis don't have tails.
The Cardigan does.

SnazzyPig

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Seriously, people should be forced to take mandatory tests and courses before theyre allowed near an animal.

Why do some people get pets when theyve such a disrespect for animals?

Some animals work with humans and can have their work inhibited by tails. They're not pets, as much as we love them.

Scarinae

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Pembrokeshire corgis don't have tails.
The Cardigan does.

From Wikipedia:

While some outlying Pembroke Welsh Corgis are born with their tail naturally short or missing, the majority often have their tails docked between 2–5 days old due to historical tradition or in order to conform to the Breed Standard.[14] Artificial docking was needed for the dog to do its job as a herding dog in the United Kingdom. A non-herding, "companion" dog was considered a luxury under tax law, and attracted a tax, so to demonstrate that their dogs were herding dogs, owners had to ensure the dogs had docked or bobbed tails. The Kennel Club,[15] the United Kennel Club,[16] and the FCI allow intact tails in Conformation shows. The AKC Standard states tails should be docked no longer than 2 inches (5 cm). In many countries, docking has been deemed illegal.[17]

Bannasidhe

Scarinae wrote: »

From Wikipedia:

While some outlying Pembroke Welsh Corgis are born with their tail naturally short or missing, the majority often have their tails docked between 2–5 days old due to historical tradition or in order to conform to the Breed Standard.[14] Artificial docking was needed for the dog to do its job as a herding dog in the United Kingdom. A non-herding, "companion" dog was considered a luxury under tax law, and attracted a tax, so to demonstrate that their dogs were herding dogs, owners had to ensure the dogs had docked or bobbed tails. The Kennel Club,[15] the United Kennel Club,[16] and the FCI allow intact tails in Conformation shows. The AKC Standard states tails should be docked no longer than 2 inches (5 cm). In many countries, docking has been deemed illegal.[17]

I stand corrected.

We had a pembrokeshire when I was a kid and he naturally had no tail (my mother had very strong views about such things) so I assumed all Pembrokeshires naturally had no tails.

Bannasidhe

SnazzyPig wrote: »

Some animals work with humans and can have their work inhibited by tails. They're not pets, as much as we love them.

There are already exceptions for pointers/spaniels/terriers used for hunting and pest control.

What work are you referring to? Serious question.

SnazzyPig

Bannasidhe wrote: »

There are already exceptions for pointers/spaniels/terriers used for hunting and pest control.

What work are you referring to? Serious question.

You answered the question yourself.

khalessi

Old English Sheepdogs look beautiful with their tails