Couple of days with new Tiguan

micks_address

Hi folks,
Took delivery of new 1.5 petrol dsg Tiguan Tuesday. Coming from a 2 litre diesel dsg Octavia I was a little concerned re MPG. I was getting approx 55mpg on the skoda. My commute is north county Dublin to citywest every day via the m50. Early days but was kinda pleasantly surprised the dash was showing 48mpg for the journey yesterday. I had read some views saying that they only get mid 30s.

Anyway that's mpg. For the rest of the car. Very happy with it. It's hard to not notice how much more refined and quiet the petrol engine is. Paired with the 7 speed dsg and it really is relaxed driving. Few new assists that I haven't had before. Blind spot detection which is good, lane assist I'm not as sure of. It certainly helps enforce correct use of the indicators. It has auto headbeam adjust which works quite well. Haven't really had chance to play much with the adaptive cruise control. Has auto park which I'll probably never use. Auto Hill hold is great. It has a sunroof which let's a huge amount of light into the car. Went with storm grey leather combination which is nice. I had black leather ordered but changed for the grey and glad I did.

In terms of driving the car is super smooth. Hard to compare to the Octavia as the driving position is just different. People say once you go suv it's hard to go back to a saloon. One thing I'd say already the seats are better for my back.

I had some buyers remorse when I ordered thinking I should have gone hybrid or electric but I'm happy out with it. Reality is vw gave me 4k more in the deal than skoda could and way more than Nissan or Toyota offered in relation to electric or hybrid. On 3 years pcp so it will be interesting to see what's next in three years time.

Thanks,
Mick

CoBo55

The 1.5 is a super engine especially with the DSG. I had a terrible experience with the 1 litre DSG in an Octavia it was shockingly thirsty. Will you keep us posted as it settles down please.

Krombopulos Michael

I've just had bad news re: my Hyundai I40 so now looking at cars again, and your feedback has got me looking at these now.

Maniac2020

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

I've just had bad news re: my Hyundai I40 so now looking at cars again, and your feedback has got me looking at these now.

Fellow i40 driver and also looking at these. I rented a car for work recently and they gave me an R Line Tiguan as that was all they had and it was a great drive for the two days.

Toyotafanboi

The Tiguan is a nice bus alright. Try out the auto parking it's very impressive, particularly in the DSG cars. The 1.5 has ACT too which does help in terms of economy but the press novelty on ACT seems to have worn off quickly.

micks_address

OSI wrote: »

Look up enabling Adaptive Lane Guidance on the lane assist. Takes it from dumb “ping pong” emulator to hands free driving on the motorway.

Is it something that needs to coded?

CoBo55

micks_address wrote: »

Is it something that needs to coded?

Shur ya can't get a new vag without doin de aul bit a codin...

vectra

48mps is very impressive.
I have the same engine/box in the Ateca and I only once saw anything near that, (46mpg) Generally 42 ish in general on the same trip, ( 300km on motorway/m50/M1.

Average is just above 30mpg as I am constantly on stop/ start trips, Mondeo wasn't much better on the same trips so I am happy as the day is long.

As you say, Go SUV and it is hard to look back for the comfort.
DSG is a pure joy.

Use the auto handbrake. It is brilliant.
Do you have TSR ?

micks_address

Traffic sign recognition? Yes pretty much any spec you could think of.

One thing that's a pity is when using Google maps on Android auto it doesn't display on the digital cluster.
I knew it wouldn't but would be nice..

vectra wrote: »

48mps is very impressive.
I have the same engine/box in the Ateca and I only once saw anything near that, (46mpg) Generally 42 ish in general on the same trip, ( 300km on motorway/m50/M1.

Average is just above 30mpg as I am constantly on stop/ start trips, Mondeo wasn't much better on the same trips so I am happy as the day is long.

As you say, Go SUV and it is hard to look back for the comfort.
DSG is a pure joy.

Use the auto handbrake. It is brilliant.
Do you have TSR ?

vectra

micks_address wrote: »

Traffic sign recognition? Yes pretty much any spec you could think of.

One thing that's a pity is when using Google maps on Android auto it doesn't display on the digital cluster.
I knew it wouldn't but would be nice..

Yes on TSR.
And yes to inability to google maps/waze on digi screen.

micks_address

vectra wrote: »

Yes on TSR.
And yes to inability to google maps/waze on digi screen.

I wonder is there any chance they will add it in an update?

vectra

micks_address wrote: »

I wonder is there any chance they will add it in an update?

No idea, but it would be a nice feature.

micks_address

I posted these in the detailing thread as well.

micks_address wrote: »

Anyone use opticoat no rinse shampoo?

Couple of daytime pictures

thebandit2020

Did you purchase with Western Motors?

Did they give decent value on your trade in?

micks_address

thebandit2020 wrote: »

Did you purchase with Western Motors?

Did they give decent value on your trade in?

Yes and yes... Beat all Dublin prices.. I was trading a nice spec skoda Octavia. The fact they are VW and Skoda dealers obviously helps

micks_address

OSI wrote: »

It is yeah. The OBDEleven dongle will do it.

The Atlantic Blue and Storm Grey combo look great. They were my first choice when we were ordering but unfortunately we ordered just as the factory stopped for WLTP so it was either grey and cloth, or wait 6 months and risk a mad price hike.

Do you have the dongle? Yeah I mean it's kinda obvious the tiguan is well mature at this point. The have basically thrown the kitchen sink in the spec. I can't imagine what additional spec I'd even consider for a car. Maybe the bigger media screen would be nice (550 more) maybe a heated windscreen (it has heated washer nozzles) maybe heated steering wheel, maybe wireless phone charging.. I suppose a self cleaning car would be nice if they could come up with that.

micks_address

Really enjoying the car..

Today's journey from citywest to north county Dublin. I'd say I was keeping an eye on mpg but wasn't being paranoid about it. At one point on the m1 it went over 56 mpg. Averaged out just over 53mpg. That's a super figure which I'm sure the car is lying to me about. The main thing for me is I am less fearful of a much larger fuel bill each month than the Diesel. The difference in refinement is unreal. I can hardly hear the engine at low speeds. There is less torque between say 80km and 100km.. I noticed that I need to give a lot more acceleration at that point if I need the same response as I had in the Octavia.

bladespin

How do you find bootspace? Really interested in the Tiguan as next car, not sure whether to go for the Allspace option (carry kit for work etc).

micks_address

bladespin wrote: »

How do you find bootspace? Really interested in the Tiguan as next car, not sure whether to go for the Allspace option (carry kit for work etc).

Well that's a good question. My wife is terrified about the boot space. We are out of buggies and kids equipment but used to find the Octavia boot huge. The Tiguan doesn't have a spare so there's actually a big empty space for one under the boot floor.. that could be used for some stuff..I think we will manage to be honest. But best check one yourself with whatever level of stuff you usually haul.

tossy

I just put two and two together on Mick with the new Tigaun who used to have an Octavia , look forward to getting al look at this.

sk8board

Have you had three in the back yet?

we went back to a golf r-line 1.5tsi 150hp last month rather than up to the Tiguan - we’re out of buggies too and never once felt short of boot space on a trip or weekend away.
Agree re the engine, it’s excellent.

micks_address

sk8board wrote: »

Have you had three in the back yet?

we went back to a golf r-line 1.5tsi 150hp last month rather than up to the Tiguan - we’re out of buggies too and never once felt short of boot space on a trip or weekend away.
Agree re the engine, it’s excellent.

No only have two two teenagers.. be rare enough we have three in the back..

Nonoperational

VAG have nailed the latest line of turbo petrols. We have a 1.0 in a manual A3 and its the most surprising engine I've driven. The 1.5 is what a "hot hatch" was previously giving out.

Krombopulos Michael

Whats the leg room like behind a tall driver? I'm 6ft1 and one rule is that when I have the driver seat in my position, someone my height should be able to sit comfortably behind me.

micks_address

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Whats the leg room like behind a tall driver? I'm 6ft1 and one rule is that when I have the driver seat in my position, someone my height should be able to sit comfortably behind me.

I'm 5 11 and seems fine. The back row of seats actually slide forward and back about three inches. Currently they are slide forward as that maximises boot space. Can always slide those back if let room isn't sufficient in the back. One thing for sure is the all space back row of seats are very tight.. I don't think anyone above 15 would fit in there comfortably

return guide

micks_address wrote: »

Yes and yes... Beat all Dublin prices.. I was trading a nice spec skoda Octavia. The fact they are VW and Skoda dealers obviously helps

We have one on order from Western Motors, great guys to deal with, one Dublin dealer on the northside wanted to us to make an appointment to buy from them.

Needless to say twenty minutes later we were test driving the car in WM.

Stallingrad

Adaptive cruise with DSG is great, near antonymous driving in start stop traffic using the lever and no pedals.

Wildly Boaring

return guide wrote: »

We have one on order from Western Motors, great guys to deal with, one Dublin dealer on the northside wanted to us to make an appointment to buy from them.

Needless to say twenty minutes later we were test driving the car in WM.

Been into a lot of the VW and Skoda in Louth/Meath lately
Western are very helpful
Cumiskey in Dundalk also a pleasure

Joe Duffy in Navan were not for me.
Too much pushing to look at dearer models
Was specifically in to look at lower spec petrol Tiguan for father in law.
Scoffed at for considering petrol.
Had to listen to 10 mins of upselling about a 40 something grand R-Line.
No point explaining that the man has a low 30s budget.


Drove the Tiguan and Karoq
Both petrol 1.5
My wife have a 1.0 Ateca
All manual

The 1.5 engine is a beaut. Much more refined than the 1.0.
The 1.0 is fine for what it is and I'm always pleasantry surprised by the go (up to 120 anyway)

Both VW and Skoda more refined than Ateca but the Ateca takes a bend very welll. I'd have the Ateca myself purely for that.
Tiguan feels much bigger and has some very nice soft plastices
Felt the dash in the Karoq felt dated
Ateca feels the smallest and least well finished

galwaytt

micks_address wrote: »

I posted these in the detailing thread as well.



Couple of daytime pictures

Fabulous colour combo: well wear. The black carpet in particular makes it imho - a totally grey interior would be a) overpowering and b) impossible to keep clean.

If there's one thing I find about all new cars, even those in higher spec interiors, it's the fascination with drab black/charcoal. Finding a used car in anything but is nigh-on impossible. For me, I'd only shop from the 'inside-out' anymore.

micks_address

galwaytt wrote: »

Fabulous colour combo: well wear. The black carpet in particular makes it imho - a totally grey interior would be a) overpowering and b) impossible to keep clean.

If there's one thing I find about all new cars, even those in higher spec interiors, it's the fascination with drab black/charcoal. Finding a used car in anything but is nigh-on impossible. For me, I'd only shop from the 'inside-out' anymore.

yeah it should be fun keeping it clean. I had ordered black leather but a friend encouraged me to go for the grey. The seats have black leather on the back/sides and center seat in back is black. I had the seats ceramic coated so that hopefully should help with cleaning dye transfer etc. The sunroof really is a revelation in terms of making the car feel lighter and more airy inside. I was in a friends Toyota CHR recently and it had dark brown leather and brown roof liner and tiny windows in the back.. felt like sitting in a cave..

micks_address

Yeah i wouldnt be a fan of Joe Duffy. They were very pushy on trying to close a deal with me. Texting me at 5.45 on a Saturday evening with a one day wonder price.. when i told them I'd chat to them on the Monday morning they wouldn't talk to me.. also weren't including the service pack which was part of the vw 201 event. I went up to Western on a whim really one evening and told them about the deal in Joe duffy and how they annoyed me and they phoned me back the next day beating their price and including the service pack. Much more calm experience with them. I was only going to get a highline but they did push the tech pack which I'm glad they did to be fair. The sun roof isn't something im normally pay for but at the price im glad i did. I had a Karoq on two day test last year with the 1 litre with dsg and it was incredibly thirsty..

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Been into a lot of the VW and Skoda in Louth/Meath lately
Western are very helpful
Cumiskey in Dundalk also a pleasure

Joe Duffy in Navan were not for me.
Too much pushing to look at dearer models
Was specifically in to look at lower spec petrol Tiguan for father in law.
Scoffed at for considering petrol.
Had to listen to 10 mins of upselling about a 40 something grand R-Line.
No point explaining that the man has a low 30s budget.


Drove the Tiguan and Karoq
Both petrol 1.5
My wife have a 1.0 Ateca
All manual

The 1.5 engine is a beaut. Much more refined than the 1.0.
The 1.0 is fine for what it is and I'm always pleasantry surprised by the go (up to 120 anyway)

Both VW and Skoda more refined than Ateca but the Ateca takes a bend very welll. I'd have the Ateca myself purely for that.
Tiguan feels much bigger and has some very nice soft plastices
Felt the dash in the Karoq felt dated
Ateca feels the smallest and least well finished

John.G

Does the stop/start operate with a stone cold engine, ie after driving a few hundred meters does it stop the engine if enabled?.

Wildly Boaring

micks_address wrote: »

I had a Karoq on two day test last year with the 1 litre with dsg and it was incredibly thirsty..

After a year with the Ateca it's obvious that it's very dependant on driving style.

I've a 2.0 tdi Leon.
If you hammer along or cruise the results will be within a small range.

The 1.0 petrol will vary massively.
The wife averages 40mpg. She does low mileage and tips about the place.

I had it for a couple days crusiing about for work. Big mileage over mainly n-roads, rarely hitting the speed limit. Averaged nearly 50mpg.

BUT I could get 30mpg quite easily. Give it the shoe and it really does poorly.

My father had a great example in it. Was early for a meeting about 80km from home. Got 55mpg on the trip computer, even sent me a photo.
He shot home. The computer was at 40mpg after his day, so got under 30 on his way home!!

micks_address

John.G wrote: »

Does the stop/start operate with a stone cold engine, ie after driving a few hundred meters does it stop the engine if enabled?.

Hmm maybe.. I think it's not so much to do with engine more battery drain... I don't stop start much for the start of my journeys so hard to tell..if I have the heated seats and air con on it definitely impactw start stop

Rusky rusky

John.G wrote: »

Does the stop/start operate with a stone cold engine, ie after driving a few hundred meters does it stop the engine if enabled?.

It does in golf but only if you have climate off.

CoBo55

Rusky rusky wrote: »

It does in golf but only if you have climate off.

Same as the Superb.

John.G

It seems strange and very illogical that the engine coolant temperature does not have to reach any minimum temperature despite the users (Petrol Polo) manual stating clearly that it does, it cannot be good for economy, reduced emissions, occupant comfort or engine longevity. The diesels do, AFAIK, I will check my daughters diesel Tiguan when I visit tomorrow.

Rusky rusky

John.G wrote: »

It seems strange and very illogical that the engine coolant temperature does not have to reach any minimum temperature despite the users (Petrol Polo) manual stating clearly that it does, it cannot be good for economy, reduced emissions, occupant comfort or engine longevity. The diesels do, AFAIK, I will check my daughters diesel Tiguan when I visit tomorrow.

Well, there are number of conditions but after 1km 9/10 times the 1.0tsi will use start stop with climate off.

DaveyDave

If it's a warm day the start stop will be available almost immediately, it will often turn off at the lights outside my estate which is approx 400m away. Climate always on auto, don't know why you'd ever turn it off.

Not sure how much the 1.5 differs, the fuel economy in my 1.0 Golf was miserable up until about 7,000km, it went down over 1L/100km. Being a mix of a new car and Winter it will be a while before you see accurate consumption.

John.G

The wife's Polo will cut out after 200 meters or so even with a ambient of -2C so she just disables the stop/start after starting the engine but I use it selectively once the coolant temp reaches ~ 60/70C.

Nonoperational

Very nice bus. Would rather it to the Q3 considerably.

John.G

micks_address wrote: »

Hmm maybe.. I think it's not so much to do with engine more battery drain... I don't stop start much for the start of my journeys so hard to tell..if I have the heated seats and air con on it definitely impactw start stop

Thanks, just confirmed (drove daughter's) that a 2016 diesel Tiguan has to reach 60/70c before stop/start is enabled.

Krombopulos Michael

John.G wrote: »

Thanks, just confirmed (drove daughter's) that a 2016 diesel Tiguan has to reach 60/70c before stop/start is enabled.

I think my wifes Ateca Diesel is the same, Auto Start/Stop is disabled when the engine is cold.

micks_address

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

I think my wifes Ateca Diesel is the say, Auto Start/Stop is disabled when the engine is cold.

Petrol engines heat up quicker than diesel?

Krombopulos Michael

micks_address wrote: »

Petrol engines heat up quicker than diesel?

Not sure, but when you first start her car, the Auto Start/Stop doesnt work, or if you have the windscreen max demist on it doesnt work either.

DaveyDave

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Not sure, but when you first start her car, the Auto Start/Stop doesnt work, or if you have the windscreen max demist on it doesnt work either.

Max demist and climate temp on Lo or Hi will force full fans and generally turn the engine on. With the engine off fan speed maxes out at 3-4 I think.

CoBo55

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Not sure, but when you first start her car, the Auto Start/Stop doesnt work, or if you have the windscreen max demist on it doesnt work either.

On any car it won’t work on max demist.

John.G

All those criteria are perfectly understandable, its the "cold" petrol (only) engine not seemingly playing any part in the stop/start philosophy that is bugging me.

CoBo55

John.G wrote: »

All those criteria are perfectly understandable, its the "cold" petrol (only) engine not seemingly playing any part in the stop/start philosophy that is bugging me.

The 1 litre engine has the exhaust manifold actually inside the cylinder head heating the water during warm up, so while the temperature gauge might not be showing any movement the combustion area is warming up very rapidly. I don't know if the 1.5 is the same arrangement but I suspect it's something similar. Clever use of electric water pumps has changed things considerably too.

micks_address

Interestingly I've noticed I'm averaging about 41mpg in the morning on the way to work and 51ish on the way home in the evening. Car sits idle at the office from 9 to 5..Traffic pattern is largely the same morning and evening. Is it due to the temp in the morning? I don't think it's more downhill in the evening

Rusky rusky

CoBo55 wrote: »

The 1 litre engine has the exhaust manifold actually inside the cylinder head heating the water during warm up, so while the temperature gauge might not be showing any movement the combustion area is warming up very rapidly. I don't know if the 1.5 is the same arrangement but I suspect it's something similar. Clever use of electric water pumps has changed things considerably too.

1.5tsi EVO also has a cylinder head with integrated exhaust manifold