75 years ago today....

SharpshooterTom

The allies completely annihilated Dresden.






Carnage.

Ninthlife

Remarkable pictures

Have recently been re watching The World at War. Hadnt seen it in many a year

Highly recommend for anyone with an interest in history

Fr_Dougal

I wasn’t even born then.

Ninthlife

1200 planes, 4 tonnes of bombs and resulted in over 20,000 deaths

Ninthlife

Ninthlife wrote: »

1200 planes, 4 tonnes of bombs and resulted in over 20,000 deaths

Worth looking at Operation Meetinghouse... over 90k civilians dead.

JupiterKid

The destruction wreaked upon Japan and Germany was almost total. Most of their main cities pretty much flattened - the images of Tokyo, Berlin and Dresden after carpet bombing are pretty much as shocking as those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that felt the full force of the newly invented atomic bomb.

Almost complete destruction of most critical infrastructure in Germany and Japan too. But both countries rose quickly from the ashes of war to become post-war economic giants.

Both countries paid a very heavy price for being the Axis in the Second World War.

Birneybau

BOARDS BEGAN! oh, right

dreamers75

Ninthlife wrote: »

1200 planes, 4 tonnes of bombs EACH and resulted in over 20,000 deaths

Sorry had to fix that.

Padre_Pio

A combination of high explosives, then fire bombs.
The fire bombs created a firestorm, which caused hurricane winds inside the city. Afterwards, people were found literally melted into the tarmac roads as they tried to flee.

The reason the Allies bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of Tokyo was that Tokyo was already destroyed by repeated bombing campaigns.

The English talk about deaths during years of the Blitz, but Germans and Japanese were losing that amount weekly.

Skylinehead

dreamers75 wrote: »

Sorry had to fix that.

6.5 for a Lancaster.

As mentioned before, Meetinghouse was the most crazy one. More people died in Tokyo over the two days than in either atomic bombings.

dreamers75

Padre_Pio wrote: »

.

The English talk about deaths during years of the Blitz, but Germans and Japanese were losing that amount weekly.

but they started it.

Padre_Pio

dreamers75 wrote: »

but they started it.

The average Joe Soap killed in Dresden didn't start WW2 no more than the average person killed in Omagh started the Troubles.

They still died though.

Itssoeasy

JupiterKid wrote: »

The destruction wreaked upon Japan and Germany was almost total. Most of their main cities pretty much flattened - the images of Tokyo, Berlin and Dresden after carpet bombing are pretty much as shocking as those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that felt the full force of the newly invented atomic bomb.

Almost complete destruction of most critical infrastructure in Germany and Japan too. But both countries rose quickly from the ashes of war to become post-war economic giants.

Both countries paid a very heavy price for being the Axis in the Second World War.

I mean Berlin was always going to be in ruins after the war ended seeing as how the British and Americans and Russian were advancing towards hell bent on ended the war.

Hiroshima was utterly destroyed and some of the stories of the aftermath are horrific. Nagasaki from memory of reading about the attacks sat in a valley so while obviously destroyed it wasn't as widespread as Hiroshima looked like San Francisco after that earthquake in 1903 or 1906.

Padre_Pio

Hardcore History 42 and 59 are very good if you're looking for personal stories on carpet bombing and the atomic bombs.

The accounts are chilling.

barney shamrock

50 years ago today Black Sabbath released their debut album, thus giving birth to heavy metal.

dreamers75

dreamers75 wrote: »

but they started it.

They made the "mistake" of going after the countries/territories the empires had designated "protected". It's worth considering that the British and other major nations engaged in their own territory grabbing within a hundred years of both world wars. And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict. The arrogance of the major powers was a large factor for both wars (European war, and the Pacific war) happening. The wars were inevitable but.. neither the US or Britain/France had clean hands in the whole thing.

Be right back

Read an article of an account by a British POW today who was there at the time. He is still alive today. Was in the daily mail. Harrowing story.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The reason the Allies bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of Tokyo was that Tokyo was already destroyed by repeated bombing campaigns.

On a point of order, the reason Nagasaki was bombed was because there was cloud cover over Kokura. The bomb also missed its intended (secondary) target in Nagasaki so the destruction wasn’t as much as planned.

Hiroshima was spared from previous fire bombing campaigns because it earmarked as a target city for an atomic bomb. Tokyo could also have been spared had it been earmarked too.

Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.

whisky_galore

War is all hell.

Timberrrrrrrr

JayZeus wrote: »

Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.

Idiotic comment.

Tom Mann Centuria

JayZeus wrote: »

Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.

Just hundreds upon hundreds of women, children and old people that I guarantee had nothing to do with concentration camps. Just like large swathes of the German army didn't either.

lawred2

JayZeus wrote: »

Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.

Weirdo

ahnowbrowncow

JayZeus wrote: »

Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.

You seem charming

un5byh7sqpd2x0

JayZeus wrote: »

Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.

Shinner

Blaze420

What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?

dreamers75

Deleted User wrote: »

They made the "mistake" of going after the countries/territories the empires had designated "protected". It's worth considering that the British and other major nations engaged in their own territory grabbing within a hundred years of both world wars. And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict. The arrogance of the major powers was a large factor for both wars (European war, and the Pacific war) happening. The wars were inevitable but.. neither the US or Britain/France had clean hands in the whole thing.

Well aware of that, it was the war of all wars. It was the best war evenly matched forces fighting each other, it took sheer numbers and some denial of resources to win.

This is AH tho so " they started it"

SharpshooterTom

Blaze420 wrote: »

What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?

ISIS =/= Ordinary muslim civilians

Blaze420

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

ISIS =/= Ordinary muslim civilians

No but ISIS strongholds = ISIS all the same

CrankyHaus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict.

Refusing to sell oil to a country engaged in a war of aggression and acts of genocide against your friends has never been a valid casus belli.

Japan at the time was an aggressive power run by a succession of unstable military governments. The only peace possible with it was through superior force, as the Soviets showed when Zhukov sent it packing at Khalkin Gol and as the US later learned when they had to defeat it in detail. Strategic bombing, conventional or nuclear, may not be nice but it was far nicer than an invasion of the Japanese home Islands would have been

The same applies to Dresden. It was a necessary evil forced on the world by the genocidal aggression of Nazi Germany.

Timberrrrrrrr

Blaze420 wrote: »

What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?

At that stage any man that could fight was on the front line, the city residents were mostly women, children, old people. If they bombed a town tomorrow full of women and children no matter who they were affiliated with I wouldn't be happy about it, Would you?

Blaze420

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

At that stage any man that could fight was on the front line, the city residents were mostly women, children, old people. If they bombed a town tomorrow full of women and children no matter who they were affiliated with I wouldn't be happy about it, Would you?

If that town was affiliated with ISIS I would not care less and that’s the truth. Man, women and children - you don’t exterminate a rats nest and leave the kids run free, you destroy everything

dreamers75

Blaze420 wrote: »

If that town was affiliated with ISIS I would not care less and that’s the truth. Man, women and children - you don’t exterminate a rats nest and leave the kids run free, you destroy everything

Israeli ^^

They did start it and their people didn’t stop it. Total annihilation from the air. It broke them, put the reality of their end right in front of them, and I’m glad of that.

Not a nice thing to happen to civilians, but then again, they were German civilians so I’d have no sympathy for them. The parents, wives and children of Hitlers armed forces, all obeying orders.
Feeding and arming their troops. They all had a part to play.

Blaze420

dreamers75 wrote: »

Israeli ^^

Westerner...sorry to ruin your **** there pal

Timberrrrrrrr

Blaze420 wrote: »

If that town was affiliated with ISIS I would not care less and that’s the truth. Man, women and children - you don’t exterminate a rats nest and leave the kids run free, you destroy everything

Will you be taking up arms and heading off to kill those women and kids yourself or are you another keyboard warrior who likes others to do the dirty work for you?

Timberrrrrrrr

JayZeus wrote: »

They did start it and their people didn’t stop it. Total annihilation from the air. It broke them, put the reality of their end right in front of them, and I’m glad of that.

Not a nice thing to happen to civilians, but then again, they were German civilians so I’d have no sympathy for them. The parents, wives and children of Hitlers armed forces, all obeying orders.
Feeding and arming their troops. They all had a part to play.

Would you have been ok if the R.A.F had decided to bomb parts of Belfast/Derry in the 70's?

dreamers75

Blaze420 wrote: »

Westerner...sorry to ruin your **** there pal

No bother, seem as clueless as them to stop anything ever really. best of luck in your new boards.ie career.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Would you have been ok if the R.A.F had decided to bomb parts of Belfast/Derry in the 70's?

Why would the RAF bomb part of the UK? Odd question.

I would have no problem with taking a scorched earth approach to eradicating terrorist elements from anywhere, to be fair.

Every Northern Irish citizen who ever engaged in armed conflict with British forces would be fair game for a bullet in the head IMO. Likewise, any Palestinian location used to launch rockets into Israel should be turned into ashes and dust, no matter the civilians who may be killed in the action.

In 1945, if you were still living and working in a German industrial city, your cards were marked. Your grandparents, parents, siblings, husband and father of your children brought it on you.

Dresden was a show of total force. It was an important event and I’m glad it had the effect it had. They were asking for it.

Timberrrrrrrr

JayZeus wrote: »

Why would the RAF bomb part of the UK? Odd question.

So that's a no?

Blaze420

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Will you be taking up arms and heading off to kill those women and kids yourself or are you another keyboard warrior who likes others to do the dirty work for you?

Nope but give me a button and I’d press it no problems, couldn’t care less

Timberrrrrrrr

Blaze420 wrote: »

Nope but give me a button and I’d press it no problems, couldn’t care less

So yes, a keyboard warrior, afraid to do his own dirty work.

SharpshooterTom

JayZeus wrote: »

Why would the RAF bomb part of the UK? Odd question.

Do you think it was acceptable for loyalist paramilitaries to indiscrimintely target and kill innocent Irish catholics in the North due to the IRA?

Blaze420

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So yes, a keyboard warrior, afraid to do his own dirty work.

Well I could always go out and sort them, would end with me in prison but that’s not a desirable outcome to be honest. Tell me brave one, are you on the frontlines or just talking out of your arsehole?

Timberrrrrrrr

Blaze420 wrote: »

Well I could always go out and sort them, would end with me in prison but that’s not a desirable outcome to be honest. Tell me brave one, are you on the frontlines or just talking out of your arsehole?

Not now no, I was there many years ago though, seen the horrors of war that you so easily dismiss. People like you disgust me, talk about war as if it's a video game, come back to me when you have witnessed the aftermath and then tell me you would happily kill women/kids.

I'd say in reality you need help sorting your sock drawer.

Blaze420

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not now no, I was there many years ago though, seen the horrors of war that you so easily dismiss. People like you disgust me, talk about war as if it's a video game, come back to me when you have witnessed the aftermath and then tell me you would happily kill women/kids.

I'd say in reality you need help sorting your sock drawer.

If we are referring to Islamic terrorists then I can safely tel you I’d wipe women and children out no problem, and I mean that sincerely. Don’t let your own sensitivities cloud what actions others would take.

Conall Cernach

JupiterKid wrote: »

The destruction wreaked upon Japan and Germany was almost total. Most of their main cities pretty much flattened - the images of Tokyo, Berlin and Dresden after carpet bombing are pretty much as shocking as those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that felt the full force of the newly invented atomic bomb.

Almost complete destruction of most critical infrastructure in Germany and Japan too. But both countries rose quickly from the ashes of war to become post-war economic giants.

Both countries paid a very heavy price for being the Axis in the Second World War.

I was watching a show called War Factories earlier. They said the Allies dropped 1.5 million tons of bombs on the Krupps factory alone during WW2!

Timberrrrrrrr

Blaze420 wrote: »

If we are referring to Islamic terrorists then I can safely tel you I’d wipe women and children out no problem, and I mean that sincerely.

So why don't you?

Don’t let your own sensitivities cloud what actions others would take.

Type furiously on your keyboard talking tough?

Blaze420

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So why don't you?



Type furiously on your keyboard talking tough?

Why would I? Last time I checked we are living in Ireland. We are talking hypothetical situations here and you’ve already stated you wouldn’t have the resolve to do it - I said I would.

ThomasFlynn

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Do you think it was acceptable for loyalist paramilitaries to indiscrimintely target and kill innocent Irish catholics in the North due to the IRA?

Dresden is not part of Northern Ireland. Assuming that’s what ‘the North’ refers to.

I’ll tell you now though, if Northern Ireland annexed Donegal and went to war with the Republic of Ireland for 5 years, all the while murdering innocent people in death camps over the border in Lifford and dropping rockets on Dublin and then one night it was blanket fire bombed and levelled, killing every man woman and child in it, I’d lose no sleep over it. I wouldn’t cry foul and I’d shed no tears about it.

Padre_Pio

JayZeus wrote: »

Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.

By that logic we are all responsible for the decades of child abuse, murder and rape from the Cathoic church.

We all deserve prison.