If there is another election, will you change your vote?

jon1981

In the likely event here is another election would you change your vote?

KevRossi

No. Voted Green 1, Social Dem 2 and will stay with that.

dwmcdos

No idea, depends what happens between here and there.

RonanG86

I'd consider tactical voting in an effort to remove a particular TD in my constituency.

But the last time I tactically voted, I was rewarded by the people who I tactically voted for propping up the people I didn't like.

jon1981

RonanG86 wrote: »

I'd consider tactical voting in an effort to remove a particular TD in my constituency.

But the last time I tactically voted, I was rewarded by the people who I tactically voted for propping up the people I didn't like.

Most voters don't think tactically. Most I talked to didn't even go past 3 preferences on the ballot card, they simply don't understand our system.

yes, id take back my first few preferences for smaller left/centre parties and lift up the two centre/right parties on my ballot

i think another election would see this- sf, ff and fg grab back large amounts of votes from independents, sd, lab, greens in a flight towards certainty tbh.

Plumbthedepths

If the Soc Dems ran a candidate in my area, possibly.

sdanseo

If ever there was an election to better 2016 in terms of showing the parish pump Irish sheeple that votes for independents are mostly wasted (the only way they do anything for their constituency is to be a kingmaker which is selfish crap) - it's this one.

18 independents and Aontú / Labour sitting there just fecking the numbers up to the detrement of the country.

The few different permutations for a government are abundantly clear. If the big two parties refuse to engage and we end up back at the polls I'd probably move SF from a fourth preference to first out of sheer spite for the rest and to get it over with.
Never ever thought I'd say that. I'd also remove all preferences for independents or isignificant parties. They should be obsolete or the rare exception.


Michael and Leo strategically leaving it to Mary Lou is vomit inducing and makes me regret giving FF any sort of a vote at all.

MLM has to be careful though.
If recent events in the north hadn't happened, I'd say she would play this out as long as she could to get back to the polls, safe in the knowledge that she'd have 45+ seats.
However as they stalled in the north for nearly 3 years if she got called out on it the electorate may not forgive her.
She needs to drop the united left alliance of everyone idea and drop it now - Labour have conclusively said no and it's dead in the water even if you thought it wasn't before.
FF/SF/GP(or SD) - FF/FG/GP(orSD) are the options. Nothing else is sustainable.

As there’s always about a dozen on my ballot paper, I’ll always give SF my 1 and 2:pac:

endacl

jon1981 wrote: »

In the likely event here is another election would you change your vote?

Yep. I’ll put SF one slot lower because it’s unlikely the National Party candidate will run again and the bottom position will be free. I’d imagine SF will run a second candidate so they’ll go second last. After that I’d have to think strategically about who’d be most likely to prevent SF gaining an overall majority, even if that meant voting FF/G for the first time ever.

Fann Linn

sdanseo wrote: »

If ever there was an election to better 2016 in terms of showing the parish pump Irish sheeple that votes for independents are mostly wasted (the only way they do anything for their constituency is to be a kingmaker which is selfish crap) - it's this one.

18 independents and Aontú / Labour sitting there just fecking the numbers up to the detrement of the country.

The few different permutations for a government are abundantly clear. If the big two parties refuse to engage and we end up back at the polls I'd probably move SF from a fourth preference to first out of sheer spite for the rest and to get it over with.
Never ever thought I'd say that. I'd also remove all preferences for independents or isignificant parties. They should be obsolete or the rare exception.


Michael and Leo strategically leaving it to Mary Lou is vomit inducing and makes me regret giving FF any sort of a vote at all.

MLM has to be careful though.
If recent events in the north hadn't happened, I'd say she would play this out as long as she could to get back to the polls, safe in the knowledge that she'd have 45+ seats.
However as they stalled in the north for nearly 3 years if she got called out on it the electorate may not forgive her.
She needs to drop the united left alliance of everyone idea and drop it now - Labour have conclusively said no and it's dead in the water even if you thought it wasn't before.
FF/SF/GP(or SD) - FF/FG/GP(orSD) are the options. Nothing else is sustainable.

Agreed. And she should just put her hands up and say that she's tried and is now prepared for an election as there is no other option as obvious no one else wants to make up a Govt.

RonanG86

endacl wrote: »

Yep. I’ll put SF one slot lower because it’s unlikely the National Party candidate will run again and the bottom position will be free. I’d imagine SF will run a second candidate so they’ll go second last. After that I’d have to think strategically about who’d be most likely to prevent SF gaining an overall majority, even if that meant voting FF/G for the first time ever.

You know you're not obliged to give a preference to every candidate? Best way to prevent your vote going to SF is to not put them on at all.

dxhound2005

The 37% who didn't vote must be laughing at the shambles we produced.

Idbatterim

Fann Linn wrote: »

Agreed. And she should just put her hands up and say that she's tried and is now prepared for an election as there is no other option as obvious no one else wants to make up a Govt.

Another election doesn’t change any fundamentals. Sf win a few more seats. They can’t form an alliance of everyone but ffg. And if ffg won’t do business with them , now what does it achieve ?

jon1981

It's actually quite disgusting that 37% don't vote (over 1,000,000 people). 1 in 3 don't vote? And no doubt these people express their opinions of our elected representatives! You have no right.

(P.S I know personal circumstances get in the way, but 37% is too high to use such an excuse to justify such an appalling percentage)

Idbatterim

jon1981 wrote: »

It's actual quite disgusting that 37% don't vote. 1 in 3 don't vote? And no doubt these people express their opinions of our elected representatives! You have no right.

I’d love to see a breakdown of the demographic of the non voters. I’d say it’s a lot of dolers. Which begs the question, why they are bent over backwards for , when a lot of them don’t vote and there is varadkar shafting the workers, who do vote. Absolute comedy !!!

Fann Linn

Idbatterim wrote: »

Another election doesn’t change any fundamentals. Sf win a few more seats. They can’t form an alliance of everyone but ffg. And if ffg won’t do business with them , now what does it achieve ?

So what's the alternative. Everyone goes around in circles chasing their tails. FG opting for opposition, FF opting out of govt with SF and SF unable to gather numbers.
What do you suggest?
Another election may throw up some more permutations.

dxhound2005

Another issue that could be resolved by the voters is the gender imbalance. A lot more women should vote for women.

Fann Linn

Idbatterim wrote: »

I’d love to see a breakdown of the demographic of the non voters. I’d say it’s a lot of dolers. Which begs the question, why they aren’t bent over backwards for , when a lot of them don’t vote and there is varadkar shafting the workers, who do vote. Absolute comedy !!!

Hmmm. I thought all the dolers voted for SF according to the boards majority.

Idbatterim

Fann Linn wrote: »

So what's the alternative. Everyone goes around in circles chasing their tails. FG opting for opposition, FF opting out of govt with SF and SF unable to gather numbers.
What do you suggest?
Another election may throw up some more permutations.

I just don’t see another election achieving anything other than possibly angering the public. We just did vote. Another vote doesn’t change anything fundamentally...

Idbatterim

Fann Linn wrote: »

Hmmm. I thought all the dolers voted for SF according to the boards majority.

Wouldn’t you love to know the breakdown?

carltonleon

Idbatterim wrote: »

I’d love to see a breakdown of the demographic of the non voters. I’d say it’s a lot of dolers. Which begs the question, why they aren’t bent over backwards for , when a lot of them don’t vote and there is varadkar shafting the workers, who do vote. Absolute comedy !!!

That’s complete hearsay!!
Now, it may well be the case but could also be a lot of elderly people who were not able to get to the polling station due to the stormy weather, which again is complete hearsay!!!!

Idbatterim

If fg ditched varadkar , possibly they and ff could do another confidence and supply or coalition. I think the greens increased carbon tax isn’t a good idea if they want to gain influence and seats. I think there are other ways to achieve big emissions reductions, that would be supported in rural Ireland , rather than opposed like now

jon1981

I'd love to see Labour, SD and a toned down Green party come together and form a new party and brand. Provide a real left alternative to Sinn Fein (without the republican Marxism bolloxolgy)

Idbatterim

carltonleon wrote: »

That’s complete hearsay!!
Now, it may well be the case but could also be a lot of elderly people who were not able to get to the polling station due to the stormy weather, which again is complete hearsay!!!!

Of course , sure we can only speculate. The first half of Saturday in Dublin was gorgeous weather wise and I reckon elderly would be more likely to vote in the morning and afternoon, rather than evening

Pauliedragon

Idbatterim wrote: »

I’d love to see a breakdown of the demographic of the non voters. I’d say it’s a lot of dolers. Which begs the question, why they are bent over backwards for , when a lot of them don’t vote and there is varadkar shafting the workers, who do vote. Absolute comedy !!!

They could make it compulsory like some countries but a lot of people disagree with that also.

Idbatterim

Pauliedragon wrote: »

They could make it compulsory like some countries but a lot of people disagree with that also.

Making it compulsory here would not benefit the establishment.ie FFG

jon1981

If you think about it, does the state actually make an effort to sell the value of voting? Do you see neutral billboards, tv ads...etc. advertising why vote?

People have a say in who they want to govern this country, why would 37% not ****ing want to exercise that right?

carltonleon

Idbatterim wrote: »

Of course , sure we can only speculate. The first half of Saturday in Dublin was gorgeous weather wise and I reckon elderly would be more likely to vote in the morning and afternoon, rather than evening

Yeah 100% but probably more pertinent for rural areas where possibly further travel distance with no road lighting

Fr_Dougal

Idbatterim wrote: »

If fg ditched varadkar , possibly they and ff could do another confidence and supply or coalition. I think the greens increased carbon tax isn’t a good idea if they want to gain influence and seats. I think there are other ways to achieve big emissions reductions, that would be supported in rural Ireland , rather than opposed like now

Will you stop going on about Varadker, you’ve posted about him non-stop for the last week, same post wanting him to quit.

We get it.

Fr_Dougal

jon1981 wrote: »

If you think about it, does the state actually make an effort to sell the value of voting? Do you see neutral billboards, tv ads...etc. advertising why vote?

People have a say in who they want to govern this country, why would 37% not ****ing want to exercise that right?

Make it mandatory, like in Australia.

jon1981

carltonleon wrote: »

Yeah 100% but probably more pertinent for rural areas where possibly further travel distance with no road lighting

The Irish electorate is made up of 3,229,672 people (CSO figures), over 1,000,000 people didn't vote. It was not because of ****ty road lighting.

Ficheall

Whom could the 37% have voted for that would have made ye happy?

Idbatterim

jon1981 wrote: »

If you think about it, does the state actually make an effort to sell the value of voting? Do you see neutral billboards, tv ads...etc. advertising why vote?

People have a say in who they want to govern this country, why would 37% not ****ing want to exercise that right?

They probably expected another ffg farce, so thought there was no point. Nobody could have expected this result

jon1981

Idbatterim wrote: »

They probably expected another ffg farce, so thought there was no point. Nobody could have expected this result

imagine if 37% agreed on that and voted accordingly, we'd likely be much closer to a majority.

Wrongway1985

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Make it mandatory, like in Australia.

Ironically where some of the 37% is.

Was an empty polling card from my household anyway sadly, brother had to seek work outside Ireland, wasn't in any way for a lack of want to vote.

Ficheall

jon1981 wrote: »

imagine if 37% agreed on that and voted accordingly, we'd likely be much closer to a majority.

So your complaint about the outcome is that it was a relatively even split?

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Another issue that could be resolved by the voters is the gender imbalance. A lot more women should vote for women.

This open discrimination against men is something that's wrecking my head lately. I was even listening to The Last Word with Matt Cooper on Today FM yesterday and some segment started, and the first one to talk said "well firstly Matt, 'Blessed are thou among women', we've an all-woman group here tonight, which is quite nice".

Load. of. bollocks. If a man said that about an all-male group the phone lines of the show would explode.


Useless women shouldn't be voted for because they've a pair of tits. People vote based on ability. Gender quotas are a joke and even when the parties are forced to run women they aren't even getting seats anyway as they're useless.


Imelda Munster (SF) got majority votes in my area. By a large amount. But it wasn't because she's got long blonde hair. It was because she's decent at her job.

endacl

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Make it mandatory, like in Australia.

Only two of the three big civic duties are mandatory. Pay your taxes and don't break the rules. Take part in the decision making? Ah, sure don't bother...

anewme

The issue for people not voting is that there really isnt much of a choice for anyone fed up with the status quo. This is the first time for a long time that I wasnt going to bother voting myself. I forced myself to go because I dont believe in whinging about it after later.

FF/FG same old same old, Labour a dead duck, people voting SF believing it cant be any worse are underestimating SF, that really leaves no one with much power.

Independent's to be fair are often the hardest working and most visible in a Community, so people might have voted this way.

The result is a hotchpotch of this and the outlook does not look positive.

machiavellianme

I didn't change my vote for Nice or Lisbon 2, why would I do it now?

Nollog

machiavellianme wrote: »

I didn't change my vote for Nice or Lisbon 2, why would I do it now?

Some people voted for it the first time and against the second, just out of spite. Could spite any party for their lack of interest in governing.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Of course , sure we can only speculate. The first half of Saturday in Dublin was gorgeous weather wise and I reckon elderly would be more likely to vote in the morning and afternoon, rather than evening

I voted at 7am here, just because it was supposed to be terrible later on in the day, it ended pretty calmly until early the next day.
I didn't even have clouds to shake my fist at!

olestoepoke

SF number 1 then fill the rest out with anyone but FF or FG

jon1981

Ficheall wrote: »

So your complaint about the outcome is that it was a relatively even split?

No, just an unproven statement.

Look for an arguement elsewhere.

jon1981

Ficheall wrote: »

So your complaint about the outcome is that it was a relatively even split?

No, just an unproven statement.

Look for an arguement elsewhere.

Maewyn Succat

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The 37% who didn't vote must be laughing at the shambles we produced.

Alot of them are dead because the electoral role in Ireland is so draconian so they probably won't care.

muzim

jon1981 wrote: »

It's actually quite disgusting that 37% don't vote (over 1,000,000 people). 1 in 3 don't vote? And no doubt these people express their opinions of our elected representatives! You have no right.

(P.S I know personal circumstances get in the way, but 37% is too high to use such an excuse to justify such an appalling percentage)

Well, you have the right to express an opinion, along with a right not to vote if you don't wish to. Whether anyone will listen to the latter is another thing.

I didn't vote as I was looking at the list of candidates and coming to the conclusion that I would be voting for the best of a bad bunch. Would you prefer if I rocked up to spoil my vote to bring down that 37% figure?

jon1981

jon1981 wrote: »

People have a say in who they want to govern this country, why would 37% not ****ing want to exercise that right?

37% non voters probably isn't that bad.
Some people could be sick, in hospital or out of the country. It was quite short notice, so even people with a weekend away somewhere planned were not going to change it.
I changed my vote to a different area, but a polling card still arrived at my old address, so that went down as one vote missing.
There may even be deceased people on the voters Reg still.
Also, I spent 18 months working overseas, ( I was seconded by Ireland so still working for the Irish government)
During that time the 8th amendment referendum & the presidential election were held. I could not vote from overseas, only diplomats & their families are allowed.

amadangomor

jon1981 wrote: »

It's actually quite disgusting that 37% don't vote (over 1,000,000 people). 1 in 3 don't vote? And no doubt these people express their opinions of our elected representatives! You have no right.

(P.S I know personal circumstances get in the way, but 37% is too high to use such an excuse to justify such an appalling percentage)

The figures aren't actually that high. One of my sisters has lived in the UK for 15 years and she still gets a voting card to my parents house. My other sister lives in another constituency and gets gets one sent to my parents and her own house.

Between this and dead people getting cards there is apparently 500,000 too many people on the register.

Wanderer78

jon1981 wrote:

In the likely event here is another election would you change your vote?

Highly unlikely, depends who's running though

I’d only ever contemplate voting to keep out Greens and there’s no Green threat in my area so I won’t be again (not that the vote would matter regardless).