Who will win the election in a few months time?

realdanbreen

SF said that they want change and do not want FF in government. Despite all the huffing and puffing they will not be able to form one without them so there will have to be an election. So who's going to win the next one?

gmisk

realdanbreen wrote: »

SF said that they want change and do not want FF in government. Despite all the huffing and puffing they will not be able to form one without them so there will have to be an election. So who's going to win the next one?

I thought FF said constantly they didn't want to go in with SF? That's what they said in every debate going...I don't think I heard the same from SF?

Sinn Fein will likely win the most seats if they run more candidates.

Fr_Dougal

SF don’t want to form a government with FF because they’re afraid of their sh1te of being found out.

realdanbreen

gmisk wrote: »

I thought FF said constantly they didn't want to go in with SF? That's what they said in every debate going...I don't think I heard the same from SF?

Sinn Fein will likely win the most seats if they run more candidates.

The thing is had FF or FG left 6 or more seats behind them by not running enough candidates they would be a laughing stock whereas SF are not being criticised over it. If they can't get an election strategy right then how could you trust them to govern " this State " as they call it

maccored

handbags at dawn anyone?

Idbatterim

there wouldnt be enough change in numbers even with another election. What would be likely have ? a few more sf seats, still nowhere near enough to prop up a stable alternative government. FG could maybe win a few more seats if they dropped that clown Varadkar...

realdanbreen

First mistake Leo made was calling the election for a Saturday. Second was not being tougher and highlighting the bat**** crazy SF economic manifesto.

JimsAlterEgo

i think SF could suffer due to the actions of your man in Waterford if there a quick elections. Few people I know voted for them were horrified and said they thought SF had moved on from that.

realdanbreen

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

i think SF could suffer due to the actions of your man in Waterford if there a quick elections. Few people I know voted for them were horrified and said they thought SF had moved on from that.

I agree. They haven't even gotten power yet and are already gloating about " breaking the free state" and defeating the b******s !

gmisk

realdanbreen wrote: »

The thing is had FF or FG left 6 or more seats behind them by not running enough candidates they would be a laughing stock whereas SF are not being criticised over it. If they can't get an election strategy right then how could you trust them to govern " this State " as they call it

SF admitted to running a fairly defensive strategy I think as they put it, there were no indications from the European or locals that they would do well at all (they did pretty poorly here in both) even the polls up until a few weeks before they were fairly far behind.

realdanbreen

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

i think SF could suffer due to the actions of your man in Waterford if there a quick elections. Few people I know voted for them were horrified and said they thought SF had moved on from that.

I agree. They haven't even gotten power yet and are already gloating about " breaking the free state" and defeating the b******s !

realdanbreen

I mean how could you trust them to govern when some of them can't even be trusted to have a few drinks at night without making a disgrace of themselves.

gmisk

realdanbreen wrote: »

I mean how could you trust them to govern when some of them can't even be trusted to have a few drinks at night without making a disgrace of themselves.

Errr Maria Bailey?

rob316

realdanbreen wrote: »

I mean how could you trust them to govern when some of them can't even be trusted to have a few drinks at night without making a disgrace of themselves.

They have some good talent in the ranks though that would be doing the governing.

osarusan

Who will do the best job of convincing the public that the second election so soon after the first is the fault of (insert party here)?

FG have already started this by coming out and saying it's up to SF to form a government.

realdanbreen

A lot of SF supporters are saying bring on another election and we will gain another 7 or 10 seats, that's great but where do they think those seats will come from. If they get all those seats then it will be at the expense of the likes of PBP, solidarity etc who got in on SF surpluses. So SF will be back to square one unable to form a government.

Floppybits

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

FF don’t want to form a government with SF because they’re afraid of their sh1te of being found out.

FYP

realdanbreen

Only 4 days since the election and Mary Lou has flip flopped already and is making overtures to FF!

KevRossi

They'll do well, they have social media, especially Twitter, fully wrapped up, they are masters of it to be fair to them.

They'll get 2 seats in a few more constituencies, I'm not sure if the Cullinane episode in Waterford will do them too much damage down here.

But it will be noted by those of a Protestant/Unionist persuasion in NI if any border poll happens over the next 5 years, SF totally shot themselves in the foot with that.

Floppybits

gmisk wrote: »

SF admitted to running a fairly defensive strategy I think as they put it, there were no indications from the European or locals that they would do well at all (they did pretty poorly here in both) even the polls up until a few weeks before they were fairly far behind.

It was the treatment of the SF by the media that really pushed people to vote for them. When they didn't let Mary Lou into the first Leaders debate after the polls had SF neck and neck with FF and FG. That really played into their narrative that FF, FG and media do not want change and are excluding SF from government.

FF, FG and the media will need to be careful if a new election is called in their attacks and treatment of SF will not drive more people to them and FF and FG try to protect their place in Irish Society.

Lets be honest there is no room for FF and FG. they either need to join together or one of them needs to go.

realdanbreen

Floppybits wrote: »

It was the treatment of the SF by the media that really pushed people to vote for them. When they didn't let Mary Lou into the first Leaders debate after the polls had SF neck and neck with FF and FG. That really played into their narrative that FF, FG and media do not want change and are excluding SF from government. .

But sure when Mary Lou was let into the debatle she made a complete balls of it! If anything FF and FG should be insisting that Mary Lou is included in all future debates.

efanton

Well it looks like the worst possible outcome for all those that voted for a change in the way this country has been governed for decades now has just become a reality

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/202...nn-fein-talks/
FF agrees not to enter coalition talks with SF

The only conceivable government possible now is FF/FG/Greens unless of course Michael Martin wants to commit political suicide in grandiose style and force another general election.

Floppybits

realdanbreen wrote: »

But sure when Mary Lou was let into the debatle she made a complete balls of it! If anything FF and FG should be insisting that Mary Lou is included in all future debates.

Exactly. I don't know what they were afraid of or why RTE wouldn't include her? It just didn't make sense and it was p**sing people off more.

On the performance of the Leaders, they were all crap really, none of them stood out for me.

PhilOssophy

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

i think SF could suffer due to the actions of your man in Waterford if there a quick elections. Few people I know voted for them were horrified and said they thought SF had moved on from that.

I'm horrified that people thought they had moved on from that!

JamesM

Idbatterim wrote: »

there wouldnt be enough change in numbers even with another election. What would be likely have ? a few more sf seats, still nowhere near enough to prop up a stable alternative government. FG could maybe win a few more seats if they dropped that clown Varadkar...

There we go again - certainly some kind of phobia And your friend Matt call himself after Leo's partner :eek:

tipptom

realdanbreen wrote: »

SF said that they want change and do not want FF in government. Despite all the huffing and puffing they will not be able to form one without them so there will have to be an election. So who's going to win the next one?

realdanbreen wrote: »

The thing is had FF or FG left 6 or more seats behind them by not running enough candidates they would be a laughing stock whereas SF are not being criticised over it. If they can't get an election strategy right then how could you trust them to govern " this State " as they call it

realdanbreen wrote: »

First mistake Leo made was calling the election for a Saturday. Second was not being tougher and highlighting the bat**** crazy SF economic manifesto.

realdanbreen wrote: »

I agree. They haven't even gotten power yet and are already gloating about " breaking the free state" and defeating the b******s !

realdanbreen wrote: »

I agree. They haven't even gotten power yet and are already gloating about " breaking the free state" and defeating the b******s !

realdanbreen wrote: »

I mean how could you trust them to govern when some of them can't even be trusted to have a few drinks at night without making a disgrace of themselves.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Only 4 days since the election and Mary Lou has flip flopped already and is making overtures to FF!

realdanbreen wrote: »

But sure when Mary Lou was let into the debatle she made a complete balls of it! If anything FF and FG should be insisting that Mary Lou is included in all future debates.

So you set up a thread pretending to ask,"Who do you think will win the next election",but really as above shows you really wanted to rant about SF because your bitter about the election result.

At least have the balls to put up what you really want the thread to be about.

UDAWINNER

there really should be a limit on these sf bashing threads, sure the country is doing great under ffg, no homeless, no waiting lists and the stupid people are the ones that want change:)

realdanbreen

tipptom wrote: »

So you set up a thread pretending to ask,"Who do you think will win the next election",but really as above shows you really wanted to rant about SF because your bitter about the election result.

At least have the balls to put up what you really want the thread to be about.

Are you ever going to post something constructive or come to think of it are you capable of posting something constructive?

Billcarson

UDAWINNER wrote: »

there really should be a limit on these sf bashing threads, sure the country is doing great under ffg, no homeless, no waiting lists and the stupid people are the ones that want change:)

Some people don't like change or are afraid of it. It seems many on these threads want to keep with the FF and FG business as usual cycle. They can't accept that FF and FG are losing the power they had over this country and times are changing.
At the same time I can understand why some fear sinn fein with the past they have had etc and the fact they have never been in power before and that their plans might seem like pie in the sky .But I take the side that wants change all the same. Whether sinn fein can do a good job if they get into power remains to be seen. But I dont see why they should not be given a chance. Its time to move away from the 2 party system this country has had for decades. So let people on here bash sinn fein all they like they cant stop change.

tipptom

UDAWINNER wrote: »

there really should be a limit on these sf bashing threads, sure the country is doing great under ffg, no homeless, no waiting lists and the stupid people are the ones that want change:)

I don't have a problem with someone starting up their SF bashing thread but at least be man enough to set it up as that, instead of pretending its something else.

Something similar with a lot of these same posters calling SF voters scum,unintelligent,unemployed,scroungers etc.
They are extremely brave with their hate rhetoric behind their computers,meet them out in the real world outside their computers and they wouldn't open their mouth.

realdanbreen

UDAWINNER wrote: »

there really should be a limit on these sf bashing threads:)

4 days since the election and SF supporters already want to bring in censorship!

realdanbreen

tipptom wrote: »

I don't have a problem with someone starting up their SF bashing thread but at least be man enough to set it up as that, instead of pretending its something else.

Do you seriously think that I give 2 f***s what you have a problem with?

realdanbreen

tipptom wrote: »

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Something similar with a lot of these same posters calling SF voters scum,unintelligent,unemployed,scroungers etc..

You are the only one here using those words.

tipptom

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you ever going to post something constructive or come to think of it are you capable of posting something constructive?

Your bitter now because you got called out on your BS thread starter that has nothing to do with it which you haven't even refuted.
That's a lot of bitterness in one week.

One page in and you posted nine of your own posts ranting about SF which had nothing to do with your opening post.

Blanco100

Party politics is pretty tedious to watch. Watching these a**holes playing a game of political chicken in order to preserve their parties reputation and history is sickening really.

Whats best for FF, whats best for FG, whats best for SF??? Seriously, who gives a flying f*ck. Put together a government that serves the people in the best possible way. A great example of this was when Cowan made a massive event out of stepping down as leader of FF, he still remained on as Taoiseach for the interim, but that was no big deal, stepping down as leader of his own great institution was the big deal. This is the kind of sh*t that annoys me.

Would be brilliant to see that political system ripped up and politicians allowed to think for themselves. Not voting for something to toe their stupid party line. Its a broken system, independents being elected who are glorified county councillors. TDs having served for decades when there will never be a sniff of making any contribution to policy change, simply spending their career telling everyone "how the other crowd are doing it wrong", but they are f*cked to tell us how they would do it any better.

Would be a novel system to see party politics thrown to one side and the best TDs from each of the parties come together to govern, I know the system doesn't allow it, but this stupid game of one upmanship doesn't benefit anyone.

UDAWINNER

realdanbreen wrote: »

Do you seriously think that I give 2 f***s what you have a problem with?

Another keyboard warrior, did your parents tell you who to vote for?:D

bunderoon

gmisk wrote: »

I thought FF said constantly they didn't want to go in with SF? That's what they said in every debate going...I don't think I heard the same from SF?

Sinn Fein will likely win the most seats if they run more candidates.

Not a fan of SF but it is clear here that FG and FF are in bed together.
If SF were able to tackle even one area where FF and FG failed (or made their buddies millions) then it would highlight how both parties really dont represent the people.

Idbatterim

Floppybits wrote: »

It was the treatment of the SF by the media that really pushed people to vote for them. When they didn't let Mary Lou into the first Leaders debate after the polls had SF neck and neck with FF and FG. That really played into their narrative that FF, FG and media do not want change and are excluding SF from government.

FF, FG and the media will need to be careful if a new election is called in their attacks and treatment of SF will not drive more people to them and FF and FG try to protect their place in Irish Society.

Lets be honest there is no room for FF and FG. they either need to join together or one of them needs to go.

both F'ing useless, but FF worse in my opinion. Also if they cant even go into coalition... anyone thinking they will merge is insane! they would do a decent job of running the country first and even that is an obscene prospect!

tipptom

realdanbreen wrote: »

4 days since the election and SF supporters already want to bring in censorship!

No one wants censorship but grow a pair and say what you really set up the thread for with your 14 post rant about SF.

"Who do you think will win the next election"?,Yeah Right.

realdanbreen

I'm one of the few who actually said who I gave no 1 to and will do again Joe Hannigan-ind Tipperary.

is_that_so

bunderoon wrote: »

Not a fan of SF but it is clear here that FG and FF are in bed together.
If SF were able to tackle even one area where FF and FG failed (or made their buddies millions) then it would highlight how both parties really dont represent the people.

How could they tackle one area without getting into power? As for representing people they had about 500k voters each.

Conall Cernach

osarusan wrote: »

Who will do the best job of convincing the public that the second election so soon after the first is the fault of (insert party here)?

FG have already started this by coming out and saying it's up to SF to form a government.

Surely it should be up to FF seeing as they have the most seats.

realdanbreen

Now that FG and FF have ruled out forming a government with SF mainly they say because the SF manifesto is simply pie in the sky is it not now time for SF to concede that they cannot form a government and stop this pretending that they can.

tipptom

Looks like there will be no election.

FF/FG,Lowry,Greens it is.

Denis o Brien,Owen o Callaghan,wolves and cute Tipperary heurs will be so happy.

If it has forced their hands to do something for all the people then the SF votes and their transfers have done the country a great service.

Fann Linn

realdanbreen wrote: »

Now that FG and FF have ruled out forming a government with SF mainly they say because the SF manifesto is simply pie in the sky is it not now time for SF to concede that they cannot form a government and stop this pretending that they can.

And become the main opposition party.

joe40

realdanbreen wrote: »

Now that FG and FF have ruled out forming a government with SF mainly they say because the SF manifesto is simply pie in the sky is it not now time for SF to concede that they cannot form a government and stop this pretending that they can.

Yeah Fianna Fail and Fine Gael can drop the charade that there is in difference between them and let Sinn Fein be the main opposition party.

tipptom

Fann Linn wrote: »

And become the main opposition party.

Should not have even contemplated going in with FF/FG before the election and should have made that clear, especially to even consider FF who are the most corrupt party in the history of the state.

realdanbreen

joe40 wrote: »

Yeah Fianna Fail and Fine Gael can drop the charade that there is in difference between them and let Sinn Fein be the main opposition party.

Do you really think SF are going to get away with sitting on the opposition yet again criticising and drawing money doing nothing! . No way, let's just have an election and be done with it.

ThunbergsAreGo

realdanbreen wrote: »

Do you really think SF are going to get away with sitting on the opposition yet again criticising and drawing money doing nothing! . No way, let's just have an election and be done with it.

Yes I do, they have been doing it for years

joe40

realdanbreen wrote: »

Do you really think SF are going to get away with sitting on the opposition yet again criticising and drawing money doing nothing! . No way, let's just have an election and be done with it.

Sinn Fein have no option but to be in opposition if neither Fianna Fail or Fine Gael are willing to go into coalition with them. There aren't the numbers for any alternative.
Sinn Fein have clearly expressed a wish to be in government, but it's not up to them now.

Loafing Oaf

realdanbreen wrote: »

is it not now time for SF to concede that they cannot form a government and stop this pretending that they can.

Do they explicitly say they hope to form a non-FG/FF government from this 'networking'? Eoin O'Broin on tv the other night said he did not believe that was possible and the object of the exercise was to put together a loose left alliance to negotiate with FF, if that party was interested...