Sinn Fein end Direct Provision

rgossip30

The Sinn Fein manifesto on Immigration is to end Direct provision .What is the alternative and how is this to be achieved ?

jimmycrackcorm

It's just another of their fantasy promises. In a housing crisis, where are they going to put asylum seekers?

rgossip30

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's just another of their fantasy promises. Im a housing crisis, where are they going to put asylum seekers?

Just another policy that does not stack up !

joseywhales

Perhaps they will run out of ideas and just imprison innocent asylum seekers in an ironic twist.

rgossip30

Get the RA to chase them out .

freshpopcorn

I think Mary Lou at one point said she just wanted everybody to be happy and something along the lines of things can be worked out.
I'm also always told how great Eoin Ó'Broin and Pearse Doherty is at these issues so leave them to it.

Lyan

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's just another of their fantasy promises. In a housing crisis, where are they going to put asylum seekers?

In houses.

The Irish can be put in revamped shipping containers.

Kermit.de.frog

What do the ra heads think?

Captain Red Beard

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What do the ra heads think?

They don't.

Richard Hillman

If SF went and ended Direct Provision, gave asylum to all and immediately housed them, their support would disintegrate within a month.

Ultimanemo

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's just another of their fantasy promises. In a housing crisis, where are they going to put asylum seekers?

In the houses they are going to build

Kermit.de.frog

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

They don't.

You have to wonder are they aware of this policy because I know quite a few ra heads that are quite racist.

I don't actually know a ra head that is not racist come to think of it!

MakingMovies2

Good it's about time dp was cancelled. Its a disgusting, racist grubby little smear on this countries name. Packing refugees into substandard accommodation like sardines, did anyone think that was acceptable in the first place?

Pawwed Rig

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Packing refugees into substandard accommodation like sardines, did anyone think that was acceptable in the first place?

Change refugees for Irish people and you could be describing the health service

MakingMovies2

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Change refugees for Irish people and you could be describing the health service

What's that got to do with direct provision? Open a thread on the HSE if you want to discuss that.

rgossip30

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Good it's about time dp was cancelled. Its a disgusting, racist grubby little smear on this countries name. Packing refugees into substandard accommodation like sardines, did anyone think that was acceptable in the first place?

So what your alternative plan ?

MakingMovies2

rgossip30 wrote: »

So what your alternative plan ?

Treat people with dignity and find actual adequate housing and accommodation for them and help them integrate into the country.

Kermit.de.frog

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Treat people with dignity and find actual adequate housing and accommodation for them and help them integrate into the country.

Erm, you do know why these people are not treated normally, right?

Or do you believe every person who arrives in this country should be treated essentially as an Irish citizen?

There are reasons Direct Provision exists.

Many would argue it should not exist and most should be sent back as having no right to be here.

MakingMovies2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm, you do know why these people are not treated normally, right?

Or do you believe every person who arrives in this country should be treated essentially as an Irish citizen?

There are reason Direct Provision exists.

So we treat them like livestock until they prove their worth. You seem nice.

Kermit.de.frog

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

So we treat them like livestock until they prove their worth. You seem nice.

I'm very nice and can spot a re-reg too.

But that be as it may you don't seem to have an understanding of this issue at all.

So we'll leave it there.

MakingMovies2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm very nice and can spot a re-reg too.

But that be as it may you don't seem to have an understanding of this issue at all.

So we'll leave it there.

Wtf is a re-reg?

Kermit.de.frog

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Wtf is a re-reg?

I really don't need to go in to that. The mods will be more than happy to tell you.

MakingMovies2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I really don't need to go in to that. The mods will be more than happy to tell you.

So basically you're full of **** then? You can't debate me so you throw around internet jargon and invoke the mods? Pathetic

iebamm2580

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

So basically you're full of **** then? You can't debate me so you throw around internet jargon and invoke the mods? Pathetic

Whats there to debate, we have a housing crisis so how can we take in more asylum seekers and house them outside direct provision, this is the reality not some anti-immigration policy.

Finty Lemon

Relocate them to the 'North of Ireland'.
Oh wait...

MakingMovies2

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Whats there to debate, we have a housing crisis so how can we take in more asylum seekers and house them outside direct provision, this is the reality not some anti-immigration policy.

Do you know what a re-reg is? Can anyone offer a bit of clarity?

Gynoid

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Do you know what a re-reg is? Can anyone offer a bit of clarity?

It's like a sequel when you are making movies.

MakingMovies2

Gynoid wrote: »

It's like a sequel when you are making movies.

Well no this is my first account. And even if it wasn't I don't see why it should derail the entire argument

Kermit.de.frog

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Well no this is my first account.

Yurt2

I am in agreement with various aspects of Sinn Fein's manifesto, but this wouldn't be one of them.

The only thing to be done is to radically cut the time from first application to final descision on refugee applications (including all the appeal steps). The turnaround from first step to last should be 6 to 9 months max.

Those that are granted asylum can get on with their lives in Ireland, those that fail to meet the bar need to go home, and I don't mean to be mean-spirited.

There is currently no viable alternative to direct provision. We need an immigration system that is fair to both applicant and the Irish public at large. The current system of endless delays and long stretches between the exhaustive appeals is neither.

BanditLuke

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Good it's about time dp was cancelled. Its a disgusting, racist grubby little smear on this countries name. Packing refugees into substandard accommodation like sardines, did anyone think that was acceptable in the first place?

Because people love to punch down.

bcklschaps

The pecking order for accommodation in Ireland needs to be

Irish Citizens, followed by
EU Citizens

then actual refugees from outside EU
and lastly economic migrants from outside EU.

Actual refugees are usually processed and housed quickly from out of direct provision. (in line with our agreed international commitment's)

.. Economic migrants are repatriated (unless they have skills we need) back to their home countries from out of Direct Provision.

Direct Provision is a necessary evil.... the only other alternative would be to house these illegal aliens in jail (which incidentally was the policy up until Direct Provision came into being)

MakingMovies2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just **** off

CIARAN_BOYLE

rgossip30 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein manifesto on Immigration is to end Direct provision .What is the alternative and how is this to be achieved ?

The impression I got from my local campaigners was that the objection to direct provision was that it was privately run.

I suspect direct provision will be replaced with a similar system whereby the state owns the hotels and employs the hotel staff that the asylum seekers are placed in instead.

rgossip30

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

So basically you're full of **** then? You can't debate me so you throw around internet jargon and invoke the mods? Pathetic

You dont offer any realistic plan only to say its unfair maybe you could take in some there is provision for this .

friendlyfun

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's just another of their fantasy promises. In a housing crisis, where are they going to put asylum seekers?

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/micheal-martin-backs-manifesto-promising-rent-freeze-and-ending-direct-provision-38889080.html

FF has a policy to end direct provison.


https://www.labour.ie/manifesto/

Labour has a policy to end direct provison.


This more foaming at the mouth Fine Gael attacking SF for a sensible policy. Seems like some people are happy to transfer millions of tax payers money to private business owners to subsidise human suffering.

MakingMovies2

rgossip30 wrote: »

You dont offer any realistic plan only to say its unfair maybe you could take in some there is provision for this .

It's not my duty to do that, it's the Irish governments obligation to ensure those in need are seen to. Just like it's been done for us in Canada, the US and Australia

friendlyfun

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's just another of their fantasy promises. In a housing crisis, where are they going to put asylum seekers?

Are you aware that most Irish parties are against Direct Provison. You do realise that?

Yurt2

friendlyfun wrote: »

Are you aware that most Irish parties are against Direct Provison. You do realise that?

You'd probably find that outwardly, most parties would oppose direct provision to be publicly seen to do so and not attract negative media attention, but in the smoke filled rooms where party policy is ground out, there is an acceptance that it is necessary to some extent.

Direct provision is a pox, but not because of the conditions people are housed in, for the most part it's actually fine. It's a pox because of the length of time people spend there.

The true difficulty is the laborious and lengthy appeals process that provides fees for underemployed barristers and legal types.

Again, I hope this doesn't come across as mean spirited, but I also think giving asylum seekers access to the labour market is a mistake, it drives applications that are shaky and are likely a pull factor.

Gynoid

As many families from war zones as we can properly accommodate should be taken in and perhaps could be housed from the refugee camps in the Middle East etc directly to rural houses or flats which there are, still left unoccupied since the boom. There are quite a lot of those and perhaps a fund could be set up to rehabilitate houses that have been left empty for a while. It would mean more easy integration in smaller numbers into local communities. Irish people have been absolutely brilliant that way for decades, helping fleeing refugees to settle here.

After that it would help if there was an online register where the righteous people of boards who preach all day long about the hideous racists in their midst can submit the room or rooms they have available to accommodate the many chaps from Albania, Algeria and Afghanistan etc who are looking for economic betterment. They would host them up to the point of financial indepence by their visitors. There should be quite an amount of rooms made available that way, judging by the number of voices in this forum alone who p1ss on others from their perches all day long, and then those hectoring people will be hands on with actually helping out. Winners all round, really.

Gynoid

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

It's not my duty to do that, it's the Irish governments obligation to ensure those in need are seen to. Just like it's been done for us in Canada, the US and Australia

You blithering....
The govts of Canada, US and Australia never had refugee programs for Irish people.

I presume we can put you down for a room though, yeah? Even your own? You can sleep on the couch. It is afterall to "ensure those in need" etc..

MakingMovies2

Gynoid wrote: »

You blithering....
The govts of Canada, US and Australia never had refugee programs for Irish people.

I presume we can put you down for a room though, yeah? Even your own? You can sleep on the couch. It is afterall to "ensure those in need" etc..

So Irish people haven't ever been looked after or treated favourably in those countries? They haven't been able to prepare their own food, or work or packed to a room to the point some attempt suicide. Not to mention the scummy natives commiting arson against the centres

bcklschaps

bcklschaps wrote: »

The pecking order for accommodation in Ireland needs to be

Irish Citizens, followed by
EU Citizens

then actual refugees from outside EU
and lastly economic migrants from outside EU.

Actual refugees are usually processed and housed quickly from out of direct provision. (in line with our agreed international commitment's)

.. Economic migrants are repatriated (unless they have skills we need) back to their home countries from out of Direct Provision.

Direct Provision is a necessary evil.... the only other alternative would be to house these illegal aliens in jail (which incidentally was the policy up until Direct Provision came into being)

split irish citizens into "workers" and "freeriders", chuck freeriders in under eu citizens

jucko

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Good it's about time dp was cancelled. Its a disgusting, racist grubby little smear on this countries name. Packing refugees into substandard accommodation like sardines, did anyone think that was acceptable in the first place?

Asylum seekers staying in a 4 star hotel beside me. Free childcare and meals, clothing. Relatives sometimes drive up in their BMWs, for a day out.
Nice people, looking for a better life, and fair play to Ireland for looking after them.

threeball

Gynoid wrote: »

As many families from war zones as we can properly accommodate should be taken in and perhaps could be housed from the refugee camps in the Middle East etc directly to rural houses or flats which there are, still left unoccupied since the boom. There are quite a lot of those and perhaps a fund could be set up to rehabilitate houses that have been left empty for a while. It would mean more easy integration in smaller numbers into local communities. Irish people have been absolutely brilliant that way for decades, helping fleeing refugees to settle here.

After that it would help if there was an online register where the righteous people of boards who preach all day long about the hideous racists in their midst can submit the room or rooms they have available to accommodate the many chaps from Albania, Algeria and Afghanistan etc who are looking for economic betterment. They would host them up to the point of financial indepence by their visitors. There should be quite an amount of rooms made available that way, judging by the number of voices in this forum alone who p1ss on others from their perches all day long, and then those hectoring people will be hands on with actually helping out. Winners all round, really.

e e

People from Syria or wherever do not want to be put in a house in rural Ireland miles from shops, services or anyone they know or could talk to. They have done a scheme like this in mayo and they are full time running taxis to bring them in and out to town.

We have too many appeals processes which means people end up in DP for years. It should be much swifter.

jucko

threeball wrote: »

e e

People from Syria or wherever do not want to be put in a house in rural Ireland miles from shops, services or anyone they know or could talk to. They have done a scheme like this in mayo and they are full time running taxis to bring them in and out to town.

We have too many appeals processes which means people end up in DP for years. It should be much swifter.

i see this beside me. A businessman set up a taxi firm just to cater for this.
Again, its all legal, fair play taxi man!

rgossip30

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

It's not my duty to do that, it's the Irish governments obligation to ensure those in need are seen to. Just like it's been done for us in Canada, the US and Australia

USA asylum seekers

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/10/america-asylum-seeker-refugees-human-rights

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/is-easier-the-us-apply-asylum-rather-applying-refugee-status.html

Australia asylum seekers

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/asylum-seekers-and-refugees-guide

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/less-one-third-refugees-australias-humanitarian-program-resettled-unhcr/
https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/operation-sovereign-borders-offshore-detention-statistics/

Canada would appear to be the best pace to seek asylum

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2017/03/claiming_asylum_incanadawhathappens.html

In the USA and Australia the accommodation and conditions are more strict and certainly are worse than Ireland .

In Ireland 90 % do not meet the criteria for refugee status and fail. Remember no one asked them to come here and they are free to leave .

Gynoid

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

So Irish people haven't ever been looked after or treated favourably in those countries? They haven't been able to prepare their own food, or work or packed to a room to the point some attempt suicide. Not to mention the scummy natives commiting arson against the centres

The scummy natives. God the reverse racist paternalistic indulgence.

But yeah, no . No looking after. No favourable treatment. You sold your labour cheaply to whoever wanted it, if not out on yer ear on the night boat back home. My first time abroad was 6 months living in a decrepid squat in Harlesden, crowded with other Irish young people, and all of us on the tubes at dawn out to work. Crap jobs often, the lads on the buildings, the girls in bars or as office temps We were there legally because of EEC. There was not a hope in hell of getting into Australia or the US without a visa, big money in your bank account and proof of a job or sponsor. If you did not support yourself out on yer ear. I don't know how anyone has to clarify this stuff. It is elementary.

MakingMovies2

jucko wrote: »

Asylum seekers staying in a 4 star hotel beside me. Free childcare and meals, clothing. Relatives sometimes drive up in their BMWs, for a day out.
Nice people, looking for a better life, and fair play to Ireland for looking after them.

Im sure yeah. Do they throw their buggies away if there's no room on the bus and say they'll get new ones for free too? At least try to be a convincing liar.

threeball

rgossip30 wrote: »

USA asylum seekers

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/10/america-asylum-seeker-refugees-human-rights

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/is-easier-the-us-apply-asylum-rather-applying-refugee-status.html

Australia asylum seekers

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/asylum-seekers-and-refugees-guide

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/less-one-third-refugees-australias-humanitarian-program-resettled-unhcr/
https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/operation-sovereign-borders-offshore-detention-statistics/

Canada would appear to be the best pace to seek asylum

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2017/03/claiming_asylum_incanadawhathappens.html

In the USA and Australia the accommodation and conditions are more strict and certainly are worse than Ireland .

In Ireland 90 % do not meet the criteria for refugee status and fail.

In Ireland we want to live in a utopia but don't want to pay for it. We want services like a Swede but to be taxed like an American.

MakingMovies2

Gynoid wrote: »

The scummy natives. God the reverse racist paternalistic indulgence.

But yeah, no . No looking after. No favourable treatment. You sold your labour cheaply to whoever wanted it, if not out on yer ear on the night boat back home. My first time abroad was 6 months living in a decrepid squat in Harlesden, crowded with other Irish young people, and all of us on the tubes at dawn out to work. Crap jobs often, the lads on the buildings, the girls in bars or as office temps We were there legally because of EEC. There was not a hope in hell of getting into Australia or the US without a visa, big money in your bank account and proof of a job or sponsor. If you did not support yourself out on yer ear. I don't know how anyone has to clarify this stuff. It is elementary.

You didn't address my point. Is arson being committed against refugees acceptable? Also should your experience have to be the benchmark for everyone? Should things not advance or progress?