If you voted Sinn Fein in the GE, why did you do it?

Snickers Man

Or specifically, what policies would you like a Sinn Fein led government to focus on, if you voted for them in this election?

I didn't vote for them at all, and won't. But I fully accept that many people might have voted for a change because they were just brassed off with the complacency of the "FG stepped out, FF stepped in again" Lanigan's Ball like binary choice we have had for 90 years. We're a proper multi choice democracy, not like the Brits and Yanks with their dopey bipolar systems.

Is availability of housing your key concern for a new government? Or is it the environment/climate change? Do you want a more socialist society with high taxes and equitable public services? No private health care? State schools only?

Or is "Making Ireland United Again" your main concern?

Please take the poll and let us know.

jam_mac_jam

I didn't vote for them but i think the housing issue is the big one.

Xterminator

Housing & health, and social inequality.

Plumbthedepths

What poll and who's us?

wfdrun

Dara Murphy

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What poll and who's us?

1) it's there now
2) everybody

_Brian

Xterminator wrote: »

Housing & health, and social inequality.

“Social inequality”

That’s some load of shiit there.
It’s been proven over and over that there are educational amd employment opportunities in Ireland, created under right leaning governments.

People who can be bothered to get themselves educated can do so, then there are plenty of opportunities for employment.

By Social inequality people usually mean that the “won’t work” brigade are fed up not having as many nice things as people who’ve made an effort and gone out and work for their stuff.

jimgoose

SF will "fix" precisely fuck-all, and will be run out of Leinster House inside twelve months. :pac:

Jinglejangle69

_Brian wrote: »

“Social inequality”

That’s some load of shiit there.
It’s been proven over and over that there are educational amd employment opportunities in Ireland, created under right leaning governments.

People who can be bothered to get themselves educated can do so, then there are plenty of opportunities for employment.

By Social inequality people usually mean that the “won’t work” brigade are fed up not having as many nice things as people who’ve made an effort and gone out and work for their stuff.

And only a few weeks ago Ireland wa shown to have the most fair society.

That means the people who earn the most pay the most and it gets distributed to the people who don't have a lot.

This is all on record.

One of the most fairest societies in the world.

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

1) it's there now
2) everybody

So where's the sick of the lanigans ball option?

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And only a few weeks ago Ireland wa shown to have the most fair society.

That means the people who earn the most pay the most and it gets distributed to the people who don't have a lot.

This is all on record.

One of the most fairest societies in the world.

Actually Collette Brown drilled down into the UN report it's not as Rosey as you wish to protray. I suggest you have a read of it.


https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colette-browne-the-rich-get-richer-and-the-poor-and-middle-class-stagnate-because-the-system-is-designed-that-way-38773780.html

Mad_maxx

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And only a few weeks ago Ireland wa shown to have the most fair society.

That means the people who earn the most pay the most and it gets distributed to the people who don't have a lot.

This is all on record.

One of the most fairest societies in the world.

How are people to know this with RTE telling them the opposite?

tabby aspreme

Everyone who voted for SF voted for, Change Change Change Change Change, and all the elected candidates are going Change things

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So where's the sick of the lanigans ball option?

That's hardly a government policy, is it?

Mad_maxx

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually Collette Brown drilled down into the UN report it's not as Rosey as you wish to protray. I suggest you have a read of it.

You mean colette browne the socialist?

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

That's hardly a government policy, is it?

So what, you asked people to take part in a poll, I'm suggesting another reason why people voted the way they did. I know several who were sick of swapping FF for FG.

Plumbthedepths

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You mean colette browne the socialist?

Did you read the report?

Lonesomerhodes

Simpleton millennial types who actually think Sinn Fein will give free houses and fix the housing crisis.

Doubt one actually read any Sinn Fein material.

Mindless left populism.

I think Sinn Fein are a crap choice.

Shinners have many dud candidates, Dessie Ellis for example. Ould codger codding them all.

Same with a few of the other chancers, never did nothing but line thier own pockets and take brown envelopes from RA drug dealers.

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So what, you asked people to take part in a poll, I'm suggesting another reason why people voted the way they did. I know several who were sick of swapping FF for FG.

the question on the poll is what would you like them to focus on. I think it's obvious that a large part of the surge was people pissed off with the FF FG ping pong. What matters now is what those who voted for SF would like to see them DO once they get into government.
Assuming they do.

That's all.

If we see what their supporters actually want them to do, then we can gauge how likely they are quickly to piss off those supporters if they actually focus on things people care less about.

I gave them a number 1 preference for the first time ever. I'm not actually expecting them to change things but FF and FG are making the same empty promises and have been in a position to change things for a while now. Give SF a go at it and if they fcuk it up they will be run out of the dáil as another poster noted above.

_Brian

The problem is families who have been intentionally generationally unemployed want the state to provide them with the same standard of living as families who over the generations have worked hard and ensured their children have been educated well and strive to better themselves.

That’s communist thinking where everyone should have the same no matter what they do.

The solution to “Social inequality” is get your of your arse and get doing something. Make sure your kids go to school, make sure they get a trade or a skill or go to college. Make sure they have part time jobs to teach them that workers get paid and getting paid is how you better yourself.
Showing them that a life on SW popping out sprigs to a raft of different fathers is just dooming them to lower standards of living.

Donald Trump

Forgot the "suffering from delusions/mental-retardation" option

Snickers Man

... and at the current level of poll responses, it's clear that this is a very unrepresentative discussion board as the vast majority of people DIDN'T vote for Sinn Fein.

So I guess I'm asking the wrong people.

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

the question on the poll is what would you like them to focus on. I think it's obvious that a large part of the surge was people pissed off with the FF FG ping pong. What matters now is what those who voted for SF would like to see them DO once they get into government.
Assuming they do.

That's all.

If we see what their supporters actually want them to do, then we can gauge how likely they are quickly to piss off those supporters if they actually focus on things people care less about.

So why go with the thread title that you used and excluded one of the obvious reasons that was actually repeated in the media multiple times?

El_Duderino 09

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I didn't vote for them but i think the housing issue is the big one.

This is why I would have voted for them. The old parties just care a hour the old people. Young people are Completely forgotten so now they work without wage rises and their wages don't always match inflation, they rent houses from old people who often have 2 or more houses.

Stats show young people are 3 times more likely to rent than own a house and old people are more likely to own a house outright than before. The old people hot on the property ladder by buying their council house for cheap, but now vote against spending money on more social housing be as use they don't like socialist policies.

Voting for FF/FG (one party in mind) is a vote for status quo. If you're wealthy and don't want any change for you or anyone else then voting for the old party makes sense. If you think we can do better, voting for someone else makes sense.

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So why go with the thread title that you used and excluded one of the obvious reasons that was actually repeated in the media multiple times?

What are you, a gold fish?

Read the OP. It's clear what I'm asking.

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

What are you, a gold fish?

Read the OP. It's clear what I'm asking.

It's clear what you're at, just another thread to carry on the whinging that has been at play since the count started.
You left out one of reasons why people voted the why they did on purpose to suit your own agenda.

Ballso

Xterminator wrote: »

Housing & health, and social inequality.

Whatever about housing and their plans to "tax the rich" even further to pay for social housing, but how do you think SF will solve the issues in health exactly? Throwing money at the issue hasn't worked, the problems are with inefficiency, bloat and wastage and the solutions are reducing headcount and streamlining work practices in the HSE.

You really think SF can take on the unions to sort it out? Big bad FG the neoliberal meanies wouldn't do it, but you think SF will?

godtabh

Snickers Man wrote: »

the question on the poll is what would you like them to focus on. I think it's obvious that a large part of the surge was people pissed off with the FF FG ping pong. What matters now is what those who voted for SF would like to see them DO once they get into government.
Assuming they do.

That's all.

If we see what their supporters actually want them to do, then we can gauge how likely they are quickly to piss off those supporters if they actually focus on things people care less about.

You think SF are in it for the people? We'll have a country run by SF 'special divisors' and will look after their own. Cant wait until the scrap the SCC

jimgoose

Ballso wrote: »

Whatever about housing and their plans to "tax the rich" even further to pay for social housing, but how do you think SF will solve the issues in health exactly? Throwing money at the issue hasn't worked, the problems are with inefficiency, bloat and wastage and the solutions are reducing headcount and streamlining work practices in the HSE.

You really think SF can take on the unions to sort it out? Big bad FG the neoliberal meanies wouldn't do it, but you think SF will?

Kneecap the unions, and chape diesel.

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's clear what you're at, just another thread to carry on the whinging that has been at play since the count started.
You left out one of reasons why people voted the why they did on purpose to suit your own agenda.

OK. I'll type slowly.

A lot of people voted Sinn Fein.
Sinn Fein will probably be in government as a or the leading partner.
I would like people to know what they would like that government to focus on.
That way we will get an indication of how likely people are to be vindicated or betrayed by their choice.

Example: if we see that many would like to see a determined house-building program put in place to alleviate accommodation shortages, or more investment in health, then it is clear that that is what a new government should focus on.

If it then chooses to prioritise other things like, say, organising border polls or grandstanding on Language Acts or throwing shapes on international issues of peripheral concern (Palestine, Venezuela, Black Lives Matter in America) then we can infer that people are likely to get pissed off with them sooner rather than later.

It's not whinging. It's holding up to Sinn Fein what those who read this thread want to see them do. Having voted for them.
That's all.

Plumbthedepths

godtabh wrote: »

You think SF/FF/FG are in it for the people? We'll have a country run by SF/FF/FG'special divisors' and will look after their own. Cant wait until the scrap the SCC

Whatever about the SCC you could have easily have been talking about the other two big parties.
Just added the others to your post to show how interchangeable your comment is.

Snickers Man

godtabh wrote: »

You think SF are in it for the people? We'll have a country run by SF 'special divisors' and will look after their own. Cant wait until the scrap the SCC

Taht's a different question. I'm asking those who voted SF to say what they would like their government to focus on.
How well they do it is another matter.

Fr_Dougal

Snickers Man wrote: »

Or specifically, what policies would you like a Sinn Fein led government to focus on, if you voted for them in this election?

I didn't vote for them at all, and won't. But I fully accept that many people might have voted for a change because they were just brassed off with the complacency of the "FG stepped out, FF stepped in again" Lanigan's Ball like binary choice we have had for 90 years. We're a proper multi choice democracy, not like the Brits and Yanks with their dopey bipolar systems.

Is availability of housing your key concern for a new government? Or is it the environment/climate change? Do you want a more socialist society with high taxes and equitable public services? No private health care? State schools only?

Or is "Making Ireland United Again" your main concern?

Please take the poll and let us know.

Can you add ‘Protest Vote’ to the list? Seems to be another reason.

quokula

Snickers Man wrote: »

... and at the current level of poll responses, it's clear that this is a very unrepresentative discussion board as the vast majority of people DIDN'T vote for Sinn Fein.

So I guess I'm asking the wrong people.

Three quarters of respondents didn't vote for Sinn Fein, just like three quarters of voters also rejected them. The poll is actually very representative.

Emme

_Brian wrote: »

“Social inequality”

That’s some load of shiit there.
It’s been proven over and over that there are educational amd employment opportunities in Ireland, created under right leaning governments.

People who can be bothered to get themselves educated can do so, then there are plenty of opportunities for employment.

By Social inequality people usually mean that the “won’t work” brigade are fed up not having as many nice things as people who’ve made an effort and gone out and work for their stuff.

It's difficult to break out of a cycle of disadvantage if you grew up in an area where nobody worked, your parents never worked and your grandparents never worked. On the other hand there are people in direct provision who get up every day and travel long distances to college. Perhaps they come from a country where education was an expectation before whatever event forced them to seek asylum.

Most of the Sinn Fein seat holders are educated to degree if not masters level. Mary Lou comes from a privileged background but many of the other Sinn Fein seat holders do not. Their success should spur on people from disadvantaged backgrounds to improve their lot. They should actively encourage people who normally would not pursue education to do so. However education should be seen as a way for everyone to improve their lot.

If young girls think they can do better by having children early in life than somebody with a degree what is the incentive? In the early 2000s a teacher who taught in a disadvantaged girls school was saving every cent for a deposit on a house. She did without holidays or new clothes in order to do so. She took public transport. The girls she taught were very astute, she got on well with them and they asked her about her lifestyle. One said to her 'what's the point of you working so hard when you have to go without so much to get a house?' At that time it was easier for young girls who had children early to get a house or apartment. Another girl asked her if she would like new clothes and said they could get them for her. The teacher said she was ok and how would they get the clothes anyway. They replied that they would lift them for her in any shop she wanted!

It's wrong that smart working class girls like that felt the best choice they could make in life was to have children early. It's not as easy now to get housed but they should be steered in the direction of education or apprenticeships instead of putting a band aid on the problems of disadvantage with other solutions. Free childcare would go a long way towards helping these girls help themselves. It would also help people on low to medium incomes feel that work is worthwhile rather than a futile slog.

It would be unorthodox to legalise and tax drugs but the cocaine trade is not going to go away. Recently a young man died tragically because he was involved in this business. I couldn't help but notice he had the best of everything, things he would not have if he had an ordinary job or was working in a shop while studying at college. If young men in disadvantaged areas can do better in crime what is the incentive for them to study or do an apprenticeship? There is a "live fast die young" mentality among these young men, they don't see the point in deferring reward later in return for effort now.

I really hope that Sinn Fein help working people on low to medium incomes. These people voted for them because they are fed up of commuting, working, paying for everything after tax and coming out with nothing at the end of the month or even in debt.

rob316

Housing and Health.

I also wanted FF and FG to get a good kick in the bollox realizing there is a 3rd party out there. You can't con the electorate anymore that ye aren't the same. FG in particular have deserted the squeezed middle.

Mr Tickle

Snickers Man wrote: »

... and at the current level of poll responses, it's clear that this is a very unrepresentative discussion board as the vast majority of people DIDN'T vote for Sinn Fein.

So I guess I'm asking the wrong people.

I think a "protest vote" option in the poll might have been interesting. I think there was a number of people who wanted "anyone but FFG".

Sinn Fein were the next biggest party who people thought might have a chance at getting a lot of seats. The whole left made (relatively) big gains.

I'd be very curious how many people would have preferred Labour/Soc Dems if they had known there'd be this level of swing.

Ballso

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's clear what you're at, just another thread to carry on the whinging that has been at play since the count started.
You left out one of reasons why people voted the why they did on purpose to suit your own agenda.

You'd better get used to it. If SF go into power they instantly become responsible for every facet of and every problem in everyone's lives. They will be expected to resolve all these issues, no matter how complex, overnight. If they don't, they will be lambasted every hour on the hour by hordes of Twitter malcontents.

Luckily for SF all of our problems are trivial to solve, and without creating problems elsewhere too! At least that's what they've been telling us in opposition. Phew.

Lonesomerhodes

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Simpleton millennial types who actually think Sinn Fein will give free houses and fix the housing crisis.

Doubt one actually read any Sinn Fein material.

Mindless left populism.

I think Sinn Fein are a crap choice.

Shinners have many dud candidates, Dessie Ellis for example. Ould codger codding them all.

Same with a few of the other chancers, never did nothing but line thier own pockets and take brown envelopes from RA drug dealers.

I've always been bemused by using populism as a derogatory term. Is democracy not essentially popularity contest? The person who is most popular with, you know, the most votes gets in?

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

OK. I'll type slowly.

A lot of people voted Sinn Fein.
Sinn Fein will probably be in government as a or the leading partner.
I would like people to know what they would like that government to focus on.
That way we will get an indication of how likely people are to be vindicated or betrayed by their choice.

Example: if we see that many would like to see a determined house-building program put in place to alleviate accommodation shortages, or more investment in health, then it is clear that that is what a new government should focus on.

If it then chooses to prioritise other things like, say, organising border polls or grandstanding on Language Acts or throwing shapes on international issues of peripheral concern (Palestine, Venezuela, Black Lives Matter in America) then we can infer that people are likely to get pissed off with them sooner rather than later.

It's not whinging. It's holding up to Sinn Fein what those who read this thread want to see them do. Having voted for them.
That's all.

As I said you purposely ignored one of the reasons why SF got votes, a protest vote was mentioned by all media. Some people even mentioned to the media that exact reason for their voting intentions. I just pointed out the narrowness of your poll and to me it smacks deliberately of an attempt to push an agenda.

20Cent

Emmet Kirwan summed it up well on tv last night.
You work hard and you will eventually have your own home and raise a family.
That is the plan most people have.

This is not possible now for most people.
No matter how hard you work you will never get your head above water. Paying rent and saving for a home. We've had decades of this and people are looking for other solutions.

FF FG put "the market", multinationals etc first before the population and that has now come back and hit them in the face.


The story of the election is how FF/FG fcuked up so bad people turned to Sinn Fein.

mullinr2

Xterminator wrote: »

Housing & health, and social inequality.

Social inequality my bollax. Those in low skilled jobs get paid lower. Those in high skilled jobs get paid more and rightly so.

Snickers Man

quokula wrote: »

Three quarters of respondents didn't vote for Sinn Fein, just like three quarters of voters also rejected them. The poll is actually very representative.

I was just going to say that, and retract my previous comment

Well spotted.

rob316

_Brian wrote: »

The problem is families who have been intentionally generationally unemployed want the state to provide them with the same standard of living as families who over the generations have worked hard and ensured their children have been educated well and strive to better themselves.

That’s communist thinking where everyone should have the same no matter what they do.

The solution to “Social inequality” is get your of your arse and get doing something. Make sure your kids go to school, make sure they get a trade or a skill or go to college. Make sure they have pet time jobs to teach them that workers get paid and getting kid is how you better yourself.
Showing them that a life on SW popping out sprigs to a raft of different fathers is just dooming them to lower standards of living.

Well your wrong there as there voter base was mostly young, low to middle income earners. This wonderful brilliant economy we keep hearing about isn't washing with us and we aren't seen any benefit of it. Most of this generation have absolutely no chance of owning a home and if you do you'll be paying a mortgage till you go in the ground.

gct

I've worked hard all my life. I started work at 15. Left school with no exams because I had to. I worked throughout the 80's recession and fell for all the old guff CJ haughey spouted about taking the pain and working hard for peanuts to make the country better for Our children. (How did I fall for that one?) After the last crash I struggled to pay My mortgage and other bills but I never missed a payment, unlike a lot of people who strategically defaulted on mortgages and welched on debts. Again it was Me who took the pain. I'm told were in recovery but My pocket hasn't seen any recovery. I can't even go for a pint anymore. For example,After the last crash I was paying €4 for a pint, now its €6, a 50% mark up. My wages haven't increased more than a couple of per cent in that period.What I see is the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer. Its always been that way to a certain degree but the last government pushed it too far and to the point where I have had enough. FF and FG have proved time and time again that they cannot improve My quality of life. I want change.

Emme

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I think a "protest vote" option in the poll might have been interesting. I think there was a number of people who wanted "anyone but FFG".

Sinn Fein were the next biggest party who people thought might have a chance at getting a lot of seats. The whole left made (relatively) big gains.

I'd be very curious how many people would have preferred Labour/Soc Dems if they had known there'd be this level of swing.

Labour shafted the working class at the time of the bailout and people are still bitter about this. The popular hard working Labour candidate in my constituency did not get a seat this time round which is unheard of. If Labour were a viable option Sinn Fein would not have done as well.

Ush1

When people say housing or health, what specifically are Sinn Fein going to do to fix those issues that the other parties aren't already doing or have tried?

Ballso

20Cent wrote: »

Emmet Kirwan summed it up well on tv last night.
You work hard and you will eventually have your own home and raise a family.
That is the plan most people have.

This is not possible now for most people.
No matter how hard you work you will never get your head above water. Paying rent and saving for a home. We've had decades of this and people are looking for other solutions.

FF FG put "the market", multinationals etc first before the population and that has now come back and hit them in the face.


The story of the election is how FF/FG fcuked up so bad people turned to Sinn Fein.

I thought this was a left wing revolution, not a movement to gain access to private credit to own private property (while paying no property tax).

Huh.

rob316

Ush1 wrote: »

When people say housing or health, what specifically are Sinn Fein going to do to fix those issues that the other parties aren't already doing or have tried?

You keep saying this in every thread. What is the point of continuing with a failed system in both? Its bad, it can't really get any worse.

Are you as a voter happy with health and housing in this country? Do you have children and are you a homeowner?

Ush1

Ballso wrote: »

I thought this was a left wing revolution, not a movement to gain access to private credit to own private property (while paying no property tax).

Huh.

Not to mention SF voters want to pay less tax whilst also seeing less investment in public infrastructure.

It's the most right wing left wing revolution I've seen.