Who will be the next FG leader?

Sleeper12

Assuming FG get creamed in the election today the party will be looking for a new leader that can rebuild the party. Pascal O Donoghue has ruled himself out though he might change his mind if/when the job is up for grabs. The minister for no housing & homelessness, Eoghan Murphy might not even be re elected today.

Who could you see as the new FG leader? I'm thinking Simon Coveney assuming he is re elected today

Bullocks

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Assuming FG get creamed in the election today the party will be looking for a new leader that can rebuild the party. Pascal O Donoghue has ruled himself out though he might change his mind if/when the job is up for grabs. The minister for no housing & homelessness, Eoghan Murphy might not even be re elected today.

Who could you see as the new FG leader? I'm thinking Simon Coveney assuming he is re elected today

I wonder does Coveney want to lead a diminished FG.

dxhound2005

Micheál Martin presided over the two worst results ever for FF. Reducing them from a 70 plus seat party to also rans. The only leader who failed to stop a two in a row FG led government. If FF fail again this time he will have to go.

Loafing Oaf

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Micheál Martin presided over the two worst results ever for FF. Reducing them from a 70 plus seat party to also rans. The only leader who failed to stop a two in a row FG led government. If FF fail again this time he will have to go.

Well he's 1/25 to be the next taoiseach so I doubt that'll arise somehow

dxhound2005

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Well he's 1/25 to be the next taoiseach so I doubt that'll arise somehow

I suppose it just shows that there is nobody of the calibre of Bertie or Charlie who could replace him. He really has the most dismal record in elections.

JPCN1

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Assuming FG get creamed in the election today the party will be looking for a new leader that can rebuild the party. Pascal O Donoghue has ruled himself out though he might change his mind if/when the job is up for grabs. The minister for no housing & homelessness, Eoghan Murphy might not even be re elected today.

Who could you see as the new FG leader? I'm thinking Simon Coveney assuming he is re elected today

Coveney defended Bailey rendering him unfit to lead imo.

Donohue I guess...

Mad_maxx

JPCN1 wrote: »

Coveney defended Bailey rendering him unfit to lead imo.

Donohue I guess...

the bailey thing was hyped out of all proportion and then some

shes the butt of jokes for the rest of her life but nobody gives a damn about who defended her

moby2101

HAS to be Coveney, he should have been elected leader of the party last time around.

marvin80

Varadkar has been a shambles

what is it about coveney that has fg members worried about putting him front and centre

anything in his past or his familys past? one wonders.

JPCN1

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the bailey thing was hyped out of all proportion and then some

shes the butt of jokes for the rest of her life but nobody gives a damn about who defended her

Tell that to the thousands of businesses up and down the country trying to meet increased insurance payments. It was/is an issue and he should have kept his trap shut.

RandomViewer

Depends on who Dinny wants

RandomViewer

Deleted User wrote: »

what is it about coveney that has fg members worried about putting him front and centre

anything in his past or his familys past? one wonders.

How his dad died?

McMurphy

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the bailey thing was hyped out of all proportion and then some

shes the butt of jokes for the rest of her life but nobody gives a damn about who defended her

I'd have agreed with you if Leo hadn't of ran a high profile campaign about cheaters cheating is all ref Dole scammers, yet he was willing to turn a blind eye to essentially the same thing by one of his own TD (s) and ministers.

Insurance fraud is no joke, there's businesses shutting up and down the country due to spiralling premiums.

Idbatterim

moby2101 wrote: »

HAS to be Coveney, he should have been elected leader of the party last time around.

maybe so, they need a proper leader and NONE of the current faces of FG are it! They need a proper hardliner, someone not afraid to get down and dirty, not what they currently have!

Loafing Oaf

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Assuming FG get creamed in the election today the party will be looking for a new leader that can rebuild the party.

Depends on your definition of 'get creamed' of course, but I don't think this is necessarily the case. If FG find themselves propping up a minority FF government, I don't think the impetus will be there for a leadership change, assuming Varadkar wants to stay on.

Sleeper12

Loafing Oaf wrote:

Depends on your definition of 'get creamed' of course, but I don't think this is necessarily the case. If FG find themselves propping up a minority FF government, I don't think the impetus will be there for a leadership change, assuming Varadkar wants to stay on.

We'll see what the exit polls say but FF & SF is a more likely scenario imo

Stewball

marvin80 wrote: »

Varadkar has been a shambles

He was terrible as a minister before he became the leader - you'd wonder why the majority in the party couldn't see it.

How much of their thought process was influenced by him being gay, a son of immigrants and trying to show the world how progressive they/we are.

cute geoge

I always taught Richard Bruton would have made a capable leader but that boat surely has sailed !!!
Pascal Donoghue came from nowhere to be one of our finest ministers of finance surely he has to be in the running comes across as a man of the people

James Brown

Stewball wrote: »

He was terrible as a minister before he became the leader - you'd wonder why the majority in the party couldn't see it.

How much of their thought process was influenced by him being gay, a son of immigrants and trying to show the world how progressive they/we are.

The majority wanted Coveny. The shadowy dark figures in cravats wanted Leo.

ThunbergsAreGo

Idbatterim wrote: »

maybe so, they need a proper leader and NONE of the current faces of FG are it! They need a proper hardliner, someone not afraid to get down and dirty, not what they currently have!

Anyone like that would be crucified by the media, who have a massive influence on the general population

Spanish Eyes

I could be totally wrong but get a feeling that FG don't care if they are not in power for a while. Jaded maybe, and also letting others try to achieve what they have been vilified for NOT achieving could be great ammo from the opposition benches.

We'll see.

Better Than Christ

Idbatterim wrote: »

maybe so, they need a proper leader and NONE of the current faces of FG are it! They need a proper hardliner, someone not afraid to get down and dirty, not what they currently have!

What makes you think the Irish electorate will suddenly start voting for a 'hardliner'?

Plumbthedepths

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I could be totally wrong but get a feeling that FG don't care if they are not in power for a while. Jaded maybe, and also letting others try to achieve what they have been vilified for NOT achieving could be great ammo from the opposition benches.

We'll see.

Surely if FG have the interests of the people at heart they would be happy if some other party had the vision and ability to achieve what they failed to do. Isn't the function of government to make the lives of its citizens as good as possible?

As for the OP, Paschal.

antimatterx

Eoghan Murphy could be a great leader

Plumbthedepths

antimatterx wrote: »

Eoghan Murphy could be a great leader

It will be enough of a challenge for him to get re-elected.

Loafing Oaf

cute geoge wrote: »

I always taught Richard Bruton would have made a capable leader but that boat surely has sailed !!!
Pascal Donoghue came from nowhere to be one of our finest ministers of finance surely he has to be in the running comes across as a man of the people

I suppose the big question over him is whether they want another Dublin leader

Idbatterim

Better Than Christ wrote: »

What makes you think the Irish electorate will suddenly start voting for a 'hardliner'?

well their voters are deserting them, because they got a yes man sock puppet!

dxhound2005

FG went down to 31 seats in 2002 under Noonan and he resigned. But the new leadership did not get them into power until 2011, so it might have been better for him to stay. They have remained in power since 2011, getting two consecutive governments for the first time ever. But that is down to the very weak leadership of FF, as much as anything.

antimatterx

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It will be enough of a challenge for him to get re-elected.

He'll get in with little trouble tomorrow!

Plumbthedepths

antimatterx wrote: »

He'll get in with little trouble tomorrow!

Of course he will. Although I'd be surprised if anyone in his area remembers him as he's gone into hiding since the election was called.

jamesbere

I'll be the leader, shur I might aswell give it a go

Fred Cryton

Varadkar has done well, don't know why he's getting a hard time here. Did well in the debates. But he should be more like his Young FG days.

People are angry at FG due to an ECB decision to print money, which is ultimately what is responsible for the soaring house prices in Dublin. And if they want someone local to be angry at, start with DCC and their ridiculous height limits and planning laws. In fact Varadkar should have used the airtime to really pummel the local councils for their failure at planning, but he didn't.

Plumbthedepths

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Varadkar has done well, don't know why he's getting a hard time here. Did well in the debates. But he should be more like his Young FG days.

People are angry at FG due to an ECB decision to print money, which is ultimately what is responsible for the soaring house prices in Dublin. And if they want someone local to be angry at, start with DCC and their ridiculous height limits and planning laws. In fact Varadkar should have used the airtime to really pummel the local councils for their failure at planning, but he didn't.

What utter nonsense. You registered today to spout that?

Fred Cryton

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What utter nonsense. You registered today to spout that?

Anything constructive to say or just name calling?

Bullocks

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Anything constructive to say or just name calling?

He didn't call any names . He did ask a question though ....

Plumbthedepths

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Anything constructive to say or just name calling?

Name calling, where?

Fred Cryton

Bullocks wrote: »

He didn't call any names . He did ask a question though ....

The question being did i register today, yes. Not very relevant to the topic though. Not a very bright question.

Bullocks

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The question being did i register today, yes. Not very relevant to the topic though. Not a very bright question.

He didn't ask when you registered , it was did you register to spout about Varadakar having done well .

Plumbthedepths

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The question being did i register today, yes. Not very relevant to the topic though. Not a very bright question.

How bright is it to accuse someone of name calling when the claim is obviously false?

Fred Cryton

Ok Shinners, toddle along. That cheap house you've been looking for is coming for you any day now.

Plumbthedepths

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Ok Shinners, toddle along. That cheap house you've been looking for is coming for you any day now.

Salty. lol.

Bullocks

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Ok Shinners, toddle along. That cheap house you've been looking for is coming for you any day now.

The "Shinner " was very close to the bottom of my ballot paper .You're assumption that I'm a shinner ,PTD is a name caller and Varadakar did well are all completely wrong

Fred Cryton

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Salty. lol.

You'll be able to move out from under the Mammy any day now :-)

backslapper

Too Much Baggage with Coveney with his family (Dad & Ansbacher etc.) to be leader, I'll have a punt on PP but not on him.

Stewball

Fred Cryton wrote: »

You'll be able to move out from under the Mammy any day now :-)

Let it all out Fred before the exit poll is revealed.

All that anger and stress build up wouldn't be good for you!

no.8

dxhound2005 wrote:

I suppose it just shows that there is nobody of the calibre of Bertie or Charlie who could replace him. He really has the most dismal record in elections.

Oh what wonderfully transparent and righteous leaders they were. Shame we (a nation) suffer from a worrying degree of short term memory issues

Better Than Christ

Idbatterim wrote: »

well their voters are deserting them, because they got a yes man sock puppet!

I don't think that's why voters are deserting them. Hardliners tend not to do well in Irish politics.

AllForIt

For all Varadkar's stiff demeanor he's way better in interviews than Coveney. I'm not saying Coveney is incompetent but he comes across as a bit weak and slow. Unfortunately perceptions matter when it comes to leaders.

Fred Cryton

Bullocks wrote: »

The "Shinner " was very close to the bottom of my ballot paper .You're assumption that I'm a shinner ,PTD is a name caller and Varadakar did well are all completely wrong

Don't really care who or what you are, you're not that important believe it or not. Varadkar did very well. Deal with it. Young people are just stupidly laying blame for the housing crisis on the national government when in fact it's the lefty led DCC that are to blame. Christy "one of our own" and co. DCC are bringing ABP to court over Spencer Place apartments. DCC want fewer apartments built there than ABP allowed. There's your housing crisis in a nutshell.

loyatemu

Varadkar has had a bad campaign, but I don't think it would have been much better under Coveney who is safe but uncharismatic (like a young Enda Kenny). People are unhappy about the housing and health issues and want a change. FF have barely capitalised on this which suggest MM is not exactly the messiah we're looking for but he'll get the job by default because he's not Leo.

If Varadkar can cling onto the FG job after defeat I wouldn't rule out him leading a comeback. FF and Martin are uninspiring, and whatever coalition they cobble together may not last long. Leo would possibly be better suited to being leader of the opposition, making snappy soundbites and blurting out his opinions without having to actually make policies that work.