Go vote!

Victor

Make a plan. Bring people. Try to go early as the weather will deteriorate during the day.

Go vote!

Huntergonzo

Meh, not a big believer in voting, think it makes fúck all difference.

Soulsun

Sure we will be returning to vote in 3 months time when it all goes south

Wanderer78

Huntergonzo wrote:

Meh, not a big believer in voting, think it makes fúck all difference.

It makes a difference alright, but your dismissal is understandable, but if we don't get involved by voting, we encourage other, more destructive, non-democratic forces to ultimately direct our society

Wanderer78

Soulsun wrote:

Sure we will be returning to vote in 3 months time when it all goes south

To be fair, ffg have managed to maintain some sort of stability over the last couple of years, I suspect they ll do the same again, over the next couple, while we re surrounded by upheaval

We’ll just end up with same again and my vote won’t change it so I’m staying wrapped up.

Wanderer78

ReginaldSmythV wrote:

We’ll just end up with same again and my vote won’t change it so I’m staying wrapped up.

My own vote probably won't change much either, but I'm definitely going out to vote, change requires our continual involvement by voting

olestoepoke

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It makes a difference alright, but your dismissal is understandable, but if we don't get involved by voting, we encourage other, more destructive, non-democratic forces to ultimately direct our society

RTE?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It makes a difference alright, but your dismissal is understandable, but if we don't get involved by voting, we encourage other, more destructive, non-democratic forces to ultimately direct our society

It's okay, I don't think the defence forces are going to stage a military coup any time soon! :pac:

It is important to vote. Even if I am somewhat apathetic about the whole thing right now. But I do think it's important to help break up the two party duopoly we have in this country! So that is one of my main motivations right now!

Wanderer78

olestoepoke wrote:

RTE?

Perhaps, but I'm more concerned of other elements such as plutocratic ones

zerosugarbuzz

Beautiful morning in Dublin. Bringing the dog for a walk and then going to give my first preference to Sinn Fein for the first time ever.

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

My own vote probably won't change much either, but I'm definitely going out to vote, change requires our continual involvement by voting

In reality your vote will have as much affect as my not voting.

whiskeyman

Those polls mean nothing unless we all get out and use our vote.
Don't assume anything is a foregone conclusion.

Huntergonzo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It makes a difference alright, but your dismissal is understandable, but if we don't get involved by voting, we encourage other, more destructive, non-democratic forces to ultimately direct our society

Main problem I have is how openly and proudly dishonest politicians are. I mean I blanked all the tv and radio debates because they're unbearable but I still got a great big pile of shíte in my letter box from candidates full of outrageous rubbish and flat out lies (they don't even qualify as false promises).

But we the public are worse for encouraging them by voting rather than calling búll****.

I mean for polticians the formula is simple = tell lies, get elected. Tell the truth = face political ruin.

That's the fault of the public, and quite honestly I find it disheartening.

zerosugarbuzz

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Main problem I have is how openly and proudly dishonest politicians are. I mean I blanked all the tv and radio debates because they're unbearable but I still got a great big pile of shíte in my letter box from candidates full of outrageous rubbish and flat out lies (they don't even qualify as false promises).

But we the public are worse for encouraging them by voting rather than calling búll****.

I mean for polticians the formula is simple = tell lies, get elected. Tell the truth = face political ruin.

That's the fault of the public, and quite honestly I find it disheartening.

That’s not true, the public don’t like lies. They also don’t like paying taxes through the teeth and getting nothing from it. That what’s hopefully going to cause a change today.

Only reason I'll be stirring today is because there's a chance the Greens beat Fine Gael to the last seat in my constituency, so they'll be getting my first preference.

kippy

Those that don't vote are as complicit in how the country is run as those that do.
Use your opportunity to vote.

Huntergonzo

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

That’s not true, the public don’t like lies. They also don’t like paying taxes through the teeth and getting nothing from it. That what’s hopefully going to cause a change today.

I'm afraid they do like lies, the proof is in the pudding because they keep voting liars.

To be fair I think you've just proven my point above, believing the 'promises of change' (lies is the correct term) from the opposition politicians. That's exactly the type of political rubbish I'm talking about.

Nothing will change.

kippy

kippy wrote: »

Those that don't vote are as complicit in how the country is run as those that do.
Use your opportunity to vote.

That’s a huge myth that people like to peddle. Nobody can be complicit just by not choosing one of a list of terrible options.

pjohnson

Its likely to end up and confidence and supply nonsense again for FFG so in reality single votes wont matter as the result is decided already.

Huntergonzo

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s a huge myth that people like to peddle. Nobody can be complicit just by not choosing one of a list of terrible options.

Yes it's propoganda to try and guilt you into voting, nothing more.

Those who encourage a broken system are far more cuplable than those who do not.

francois

kippy wrote: »

Those that don't vote are as complicit in how the country is run as those that do.
Use your opportunity to vote.

Exactly. Then come onto boards and whinge how awful politicians are. If you don't vote, don't complain.

raxy

Vote for Pedro!

francois

francois wrote: »

Exactly. Then come onto boards and whinge how awful politicians are. If you don't vote, don't complain.

You’re just showing them all you accept the system and the lies and are keeping the cycle going. As was said above, you’re far more damaging.

Huntergonzo

francois wrote: »

Exactly. Then come onto boards and whinge how awful politicians are. If you don't vote, don't complain.

I think if you vote then you have no right to complain.

I mean it stands to reason if you vote and elect a bunch of charlatans then it's your fault. It's hardly mine when I didn't vote!!

Victor

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s a huge myth that people like to peddle. Nobody can be complicit just by not choosing one of a list of terrible options.

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

kippy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You’re just showing them all you accept the system and the lies and are keeping the cycle going. As was said above, you’re far more damaging.

What system outside of democracy do you suggest we use?

The main political parties rely on a large portion of the electorate not voting.
How are new parties with different policies ever going to gain traction?

c.p.w.g.w

Already done...at my polling station at 7.30 and i wasn't the first

kippy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s a huge myth that people like to peddle. Nobody can be complicit just by not choosing one of a list of terrible options.

Nonsense.
The biggest moaners about the state of the country tend to be those that have never had a say in it, in my circle of acquaintances anyway.

Montage of Feck

Are people getting too individualistic? People saying they won't vote because their personal vote won't change anything, well of course it won't in of itself, but they're missing the point that politics works on majority consensus.

pjohnson

Victor wrote: »

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

So say a solitary vote for Ben Gilroy or Jackie Healy-Rae is important to the entire country?

Gilroy will do well to survive the first count. Healy-Rae probably be elected on the first count.

In constituencies with seats more up for grabs (eg. Galway) a vote for the middle candidates on the edge WILL matter, some constituencies a vote will make no difference.

kippy

kippy wrote: »

What system outside of democracy do you suggest we use?

The main political parties rely on a large portion of the electorate not voting.
How are new parties with different policies ever going to gain traction?

Democracy as a theory isn’t the problem, the fact we reward liars to the point that it’s just accepted a politician is a liar and a thief in this country is the problem. Not a single one of them deserves a vote from anyone.

Huntergonzo

Victor wrote: »

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

Percisely, and that's why I'm making a stand and not voting.

If I trudge down to the polling station and cast a vote for the 'least worst liar' on the ballot then I am allowing the devil to triumph again.

Nope I'm taking action this time and letting them know they're all liars and need to start being honest in order to win my vote.

kippy

kippy wrote: »

Nonsense.
The biggest moaners about the state of the country tend to be those that have never had a say in it, in my circle of acquaintances anyway.

They probably have issues with you feeding the system so I don’t blame them.

Manning a polling station in midwest, the elderly would put most of ye to shame. Vote early and often.

kippy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Democracy as a theory isn’t the problem, the fact we reward liars to the point that it’s just accepted a politician is a liar and a thief in this country is the problem. Not a single one of them deserves a vote from anyone.

Fair enough if that's what you think. What are you doing about it?
Fairly easy to stick your name on the ballot paper next time round, form your own party etc or are you waiting for someone else to take it on?

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Manning a polling station in midwest, the elderly would put most of ye to shame. Vote early and often.

Theres a vote often option? :pac:

kippy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They probably have issues with you feeding the system so I don’t blame them.

Feeding what system?
They just moan and do nothing about it.
No sympathy from me.

gozunda

Vote early, vote often

Will be doing my part to keep the extremists from the single issue parties out of government

Huntergonzo

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Percisely, and that's why I'm making a stand and not voting.

You're hardly in a position to complain about the aftermath when you don't participate.

Maewyn Succat

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

We’ll just end up with same again and my vote won’t change it so I’m staying wrapped up.

Imagine if everyone thought like this...if you don't vote you don't have any right to even discuss what the government does in my opinion.
Do you ever find yourself thinking that a better government could change things in Ireland?

Maewyn Succat

Maewyn Succat wrote: »

Imagine if everyone thought like this...if you don't vote you don't have any right to even discuss what the government does in my opinion.
Do you ever find yourself thinking that a better government could change things in Ireland?

Everyone feeling like this would be the only thing that would bring change for the better. Those that like to feel aloof about voting will never be able to see that though, but at least they can feel proud of themselves for helping yet another liar steal a living.

machiavellianme

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Are people getting too individualistic? People saying they won't vote because their personal vote won't change anything, well of course it won't in of itself, but they're missing the point that politics works on majority consensus.

It's a first past the post system. If only 1 person votes, you've got your majority consensus.
If a 15 horse race was taking place with 15 bad horses, would you bet on it just because everyone else is? Sure, one of them will win, but it doesn't make it a good horse.

kippy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Everyone feeling like this would be the only thing that would bring change for the better. Those that like to feel aloof about voting will never be able to see that though, but at least they can feel proud of themselves for helping yet another liar steal a living.

Why would anyone develop policies for people who dont vote?

kippy

kippy wrote: »

Fair enough if that's what you think. What are you doing about it?
Fairly easy to stick your name on the ballot paper next time round, form your own party etc or are you waiting for someone else to take it on?

That’s usually the go-to reply alright, but it’s not fairly easy to do most of that at all.

kippy

kippy wrote: »

Why would anyone develop policies for people who dont vote?

We may get some honest people running if it happened. Certainly more chance than the zombies going to tick the box of what we have anyway.

kippy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s usually the go-to reply alright, but it’s not fairly easy to do most of that at all.

Ah now, your intellect is obviously well above my own, shouldn't be that much of a challenge for ya.
What kind of a policy platform would ya run with if ya could overcome there major obstacles that lots of dishonest and foolish people (in your own words) seem to overcome to run on a regular basis?

Huntergonzo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're hardly in a position to complain about the aftermath when you don't participate.

Yep that's the lie the media and politicians peddle, of course why wouldn't they, their job depends on your vote.

Anyway I don't think you got my point, I'm not too worried about the 'aftermath', I mean the aftermath is certain anyway = a bunch of odious liars are going to get elected.

My problem is with the public encouraging these liars by voting for them.

If we all made a stand that actually mattered then we might get honest politicians but we'll never get change if we keep encouraging liars!

kippy

kippy wrote: »

Ah now, your intellect is obviously well above my own, shouldn't be that much of a challenge for ya.

Nobody’s intellect was ever brought into this so get off the cross there.

machiavellianme

Maewyn Succat wrote: »

Imagine if everyone thought like this...if you don't vote you don't have any right to even discuss what the government does in my opinion.
Do you ever find yourself thinking that a better government could change things in Ireland?

You didn't vote for Trump, Boris, Brexit, etc but I'll wager you still discussed at least one of them

Maewyn Succat

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Everyone feeling like this would be the only thing that would bring change for the better. Those that like to feel aloof about voting will never be able to see that though, but at least they can feel proud of themselves for helping yet another liar steal a living.

Maybe we should get rid of the government and let people like you run the place.
Personally I'd prefer to have some say in who governs the country as would most intelligent people.