Ireland's sex trade Vs Germany's sex trade

bo0li5eumx12kp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9zH1mlWqzE

Subtitles - it's translated to English at the bottom

Let me tell you, this video paints a depraved picture.

I'm not gonna quote some of the terms of endearment but, I'll just give warning - they're NSFW.

Disgusting, frankly.

And I'm pretty open minded, but that video is either a sorry reflection of an otherwise highly productive culture, or is skewed to make German sex buyers look like some creepy sumbitches.

My question is - is the Irish sex trade like this?

Crunching the numbers, about 1 in every 20 Irish men visits ladies of the night, and it's not me (anymore) - so out of the next 19 male viewers, it's gotta be one of ya'll.

Tell us, does this form of oppression that's supposedly rife in the German sex trade (as reflected on websites such as "German Goo Girls" and "Sticky Boy Daily"), has it contaminated Irish shores?

Naturally sex purchase is always gonna be a contentious topic, not least of all cause it completely thumbs its nose at a range of well entrenched societal conventions, but the reality remains that it always has the potential to facilitate some sick ass behavior (according to that video at least), that no self respecting society could possibly condone.


TLDR: Are Irish sex purchasers as desperate and pathetic as German sex purchasers (how they're made out to be in that video at least)?

dotsman

You do realise the video is in german?

That means 99% of people here are not going to understand it even if they do watch it!

As to your question - let's just say, I am always sceptical when it comes to videos like this. They are typically extremely prejudiced and skewed.

But without understanding what is in the video, it is hard to say. From what you typically hear from sex workers themselves, most customers are perfectly normal, typically wanting to avail of the services due to:

• sex-less or vanilla-sex marriage;
• shy/socially awkward;
• not wanting a relationship, but still having needs; and/or
• explore a particularly kinky/embarrassing fantasy etc.

jaxxx

Here we go again. How about this time instead of reading/listening to those with little insight into the whole thing, you ask someone who with lots. The sex workers themselves perhaps. Wait, no, that makes sense. We don't want to be doing things that make sense now in this day and age!

ITman88

1 in 20 Irish men is a little low I think, about 700+ workers on EI at any time, I wonder how many customers they each day?! From a demographic of 10 of my friends the figure is 90% of Irish guys have indulged in a lady of the night at some point!

lawred2

You know it's not 'sumbitches' right?

tuxy

dotsman wrote: »

You do realise the video is in german?

That means 99% of people here are not going to understand it even if they do watch it!

This video has English subtitles available, I would hope our literacy rate is higher than 1%!

bo0li5eumx12kp

jaxxx wrote: »

Here we go again. How about this time instead of reading/listening to those with little insight into the whole thing, you ask someone who with lots. The sex workers themselves perhaps. Wait, no, that makes sense. We don't want to be doing things that make sense now in this day and age!

I'd find it difficult to trust the opinion of someone working in the trade currently.

How they possibly gonna condemn their own source of income?

bo0li5eumx12kp

lawred2 wrote: »

You know it's not 'sumbitches' right?

According to whom?

jaxxx

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

I'd find it difficult to trust the opinion of someone working in the trade currently.

How they possibly gonna condemn their own source of income?

Are you working for Ruhama? That's the exact sort of sh@t I'd expect to hear come out of their h@les.

Del2005

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

I'd find it difficult to trust the opinion of someone working in the trade currently.

How they possibly gonna condemn their own source of income?

Why should their source of income be condemned? They are selling their own property, wouldn't a job which involves exploiting others have to condemned not selling oneself?

Just because you don't like what they are selling doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to sell it, if you want to condemn a profession how about religious ones which sell lies to people for money.

bo0li5eumx12kp

dotsman wrote: »

• sex-less or vanilla-sex marriage;
• shy/socially awkward;
  
• not wanting a relationship, but still having needs; and/or
• explore a particularly kinky/embarrassing fantasy etc.

That seems to be what that video is beefing about on some level at least.

It's contending that, men who don't want to run the historical societal channels as a means to get their jollies, simply anti up the required fee and supposedly that constitutes the largest percentile of the German sex buying demographic.

To be honest that's kind of boss, actually.

What sane man, assuming he's a hapless dipstick with no game what so ever (most men) - would go through the agony of societal convention in desperate hope of getting laid (assuming the end goal was exclusively to get laid)?

The answer could only be,
- establish some game,
- get married and hate your wife + the rest of your life,
- resign yourself to being an incel.

I think it's issue was, such dudes are supposedly a little self entitled and it may be emotionally traumatizing for the workers.

I have little experience with German culture so, really have no idea about that but, I guess my question is - if it happens in Germany, surely a little of that goes on in Ireland also (or are our cultures really that far apart)?

normanoffside

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

Crunching the numbers, about 1 in every 20 Irish men visits ladies of the night, and it's not me (anymore) - so out of the next 19 male viewers, it's gotta be one of ya'll.

Bit you told us before that you aren't Irish???

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

Just for record, I am British.

bo0li5eumx12kp

normanoffside wrote: »

Bit you told us before that you aren't Irish???

I'm naturalized.

To be perfectly honest I don't identify with the culture of either - even closely.

I'm LaptopGremlin'ish at heart.
Just my passport says otherwise.

Point of that video was a contention that, "legalization and regulation of German prostitution has been a disaster that has traumatized 100's to 1000's of women, and it must be reversed".

Fact is, I'm in a position to neither confirm or deny this.

My experience with women generally is they covertly pull the strings behind the majority of their endeavours so, in a first world state where explicit coercion is frowned upon - how this situation is transpiring is something I'm certainly interested to learn more about.

I mean, we could brush it off as saying "some radicale feminist getting daily fix of man-hatred" and, I can't say that's not possible either.

But it's certainly worthwhile to explore the question.

AmIRite??

Quantum Erasure

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

According to whom?

some jagoff

greencap

Hum of bullsht off the video. Especially the bit about busting one while still inside.

Sounds like a gender studies feminist scripted her idea of what men think.

Ahhhhh, you must receive my spermatazoa for I am socially domininant in this shallow transaction. My newfound sexual power has important sociological consequences, yet I care only about fulfilling my instinct for mass procreation, Haw Haw Haw.

Idbatterim

THE Germans and Irish are polar opposite. They are seriously direct and no sex hang ups. Look, we had thevthing with abortion , my body , my choice. Well if a man or woman wants to sell their body , that’s their choice. Of course here , they would prefer to act as if it doesn’t happen. Better off legalising it.

I’d never use one. I know a few lads though that wouldn’t be the best with women. So say you get a date, go out drinks , few dates, then sex. If sex is all you are after, it’s actually less misleading usually on the girl. To just go to a prostitutute , many who will be way better looking than they would normally get and way better looking than your typical girl and therhat’s what the video was saying , that’s obvious,,, each to their owne is no messing around. It’s also going to be cheaper and way less time consuming than dates. The lads in this video were coming from the “I just want sex “ nothing else aspect “.

At least prostitutes are sober and making a living. Is a girl that goes out with a lad , he’s **** faced , they sleep together. He bought her drinks all night , so that prostitution?

Die Hard 2019

ITman88 wrote: »

1 in 20 Irish men is a little low I think, about 700+ workers on EI at any time, I wonder how many customers they each day?! From a demographic of 10 of my friends the figure is 90% of Irish guys have indulged in a lady of the night at some point!

Seriously? Are they short ? Is this what tinder has done to short men?

Die Hard 2019

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

I'm naturalized.

To be perfectly honest I don't identify with the culture of either - even closely.

I'm Aniya Careful Styrofoam'ish at heart.
Just my passport says otherwise.

Point of that video was a contention that, "legalization and regulation of German prostitution has been a disaster that has traumatized 100's to 1000's of women, and it must be reversed".

Fact is, I'm in a position to neither confirm or deny this.

My experience with women generally is they covertly pull the strings behind the majority of their endeavours so, in a first world state where explicit coercion is frowned upon - how this situation is transpiring is something I'm certainly interested to learn more about.

I mean, we could brush it off as saying "some radicale feminist getting daily fix of man-hatred" and, I can't say that's not possible either.

But it's certainly worthwhile to explore the question.

AmIRite??

No British adults naturalise as Irish it's no advantageous.

tuxy

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

No British adults naturalise as Irish it's no advantageous.

Perhaps it will be as of next year, LaptopGremlin is ahead of the game!

Die Hard 2019

tuxy wrote: »

Perhaps it will be as of next year, LaptopGremlin is ahead of the game!

Ok but I'd think he's telling us tall tales.

ITman88

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

Seriously? Are they short ? Is this what tinder has done to short men?

Hahaha! Nope no shorties, the worst culprit is 6’2!
Btw are you short die hard??

Die Hard 2019

ITman88 wrote: »

Hahaha! Nope no shorties, the worst culprit is 6’2!
Btw are you short die hard??

No and I've never considered taking a ppv lover. But a friend became single after a long relationship and he's short and attractive and very charismatic and I was surprised to hear that the online dating scene was a hard on his sort.
Also I have heard from many of my friends that professionals approach them on tinder and once they start talking it becomes apparent that there is a transactional scenario being played out.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

Ok but I'd think he's telling us tall tales.

I have a British passport, and Irish passport, lived in both, self identify with the culture of neither - what do you want from me?

ITman88

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

No and I've never considered taking a ppv lover. But a friend became single after a long relationship and he's short and attractive and very charismatic and I was surprised to hear that the online dating scene was a hard on his sort.
Also I have heard from many of my friends that professionals approach them on tinder and once they start talking it becomes apparent that there is a transactional scenario being played out.

Oh yeah the dating apps are horrendous for average guys, What happens is the good looking tall guys who are out for just 1 thing bombard each and every lady with messages including the average looking girls!
Those average girls then rule out the handsome 5”7 guy because they have an inbox full of messages from the 6’3 chiselled guy who looks like a love island candidate!
Anyway apologies I digress, I’ve been on stag parties and drinking sessions and the use of ladies of night is very underestimated!
60 or 70 girls are working in Galway at any time! Galway city isn’t that big, and that’s a staggering number!

Die Hard 2019

ITman88 wrote: »

Oh yeah the dating apps are horrendous for average guys, What happens is the good looking tall guys who are out for just 1 thing bombard each and every lady with messages including the average looking girls!
Those average girls then rule out the handsome 5”7 guy because they have an inbox full of messages from the 6’3 chiselled guy who looks like a love island candidate!
Anyway apologies I digress, I’ve been on stag parties and drinking sessions and the use of ladies of night is very underestimated!
60 or 70 girls are working in Galway at any time! Galway city isn’t that big, and that’s a staggering number!

I remember telling a wirerdo mate with a good income that he should use pros. I think it's fine but I suppose it's still surprising because they don't talk about it.

Die Hard 2019

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

I have a British passport, and Irish passport, lived in both, self identify with the culture of neither - what do you want from me?

A picture of two passports and a custard.

dotsman

tuxy wrote: »

This video has English subtitles available, I would hope our literacy rate is higher than 1%!

Well spotted!

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

That seems to be what that video is beefing about on some level at least.

It's contending that, men who don't want to run the historical societal channels as a means to get their jollies, simply anti up the required fee and supposedly that constitutes the largest percentile of the German sex buying demographic.

To be honest that's kind of boss, actually.

What sane man, assuming he's a hapless dipstick with no game what so ever (most men) - would go through the agony of societal convention in desperate hope of getting laid (assuming the end goal was exclusively to get laid)?

The answer could only be,
- establish some game,
- get married and hate your wife + the rest of your life,
- resign yourself to being an incel.

I think it's issue was, such dudes are supposedly a little self entitled and it may be emotionally traumatizing for the workers.

I have little experience with German culture so, really have no idea about that but, I guess my question is - if it happens in Germany, surely a little of that goes on in Ireland also (or are our cultures really that far apart)?

Now that I've watched it, I thikn my initial response was very accurat:

dotsman wrote: »

As to your question - let's just say, I am always sceptical when it comes to videos like this. They are typically extremely prejudiced and skewed.

So, on the basis of a handful of quotes from the millions of German men who have used a prostitute, they think they can label all customers the same?

It's like if I was to to take a few quotes from After Hours from over the years and use it to blanket label all Irish people as "such-and-such a way".

When one digs a little deeper into the makers of the video, it is very clear they are a sexist hate-group with a very clear agenda.

bo0li5eumx12kp

dotsman wrote: »

When one digs a little deeper into the makers of the video, it is very clear they are a sexist hate-group with a very clear agenda.

I didn't dig, and am way to bombed right now to currently consider doing so.

What did you find?

One eyed Jack

jaxxx wrote: »

Here we go again. How about this time instead of reading/listening to those with little insight into the whole thing, you ask someone who with lots. The sex workers themselves perhaps. Wait, no, that makes sense. We don't want to be doing things that make sense now in this day and age!

The vast majority of prostitutes don’t have access to social media or lobby groups to tell you how shìt it is, so all you’d be hearing is all you’d want to hear, which would suit your point of view really. The accounts from the people you want to hear from would be about as useful as tits on a bull.

bo0li5eumx12kp

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The vast majority of prostitutes don’t have access to social media or lobby groups to tell you how shìt it is, so all you’d be hearing is all you’d want to hear, which would suit your point of view really. The accounts from the people you want to hear from would be about as useful as tits on a bull.

The first part is not true to the point of being farcical.

They actually have a phone app especially designed to communicate within as a group of prostitutes.

I assure you, communication between hookers in Ireland at least is extremely accessible and used by all.

I can say this is the case also in the Netherlands.

One eyed Jack

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

The first part is not true to the point of being farcical.

They actually have a phone app especially designed to communicate within as a group of prostitutes.

I assure you, communication between hookers in Ireland at least is extremely accessible and used by all.

I can say this is the case also in the Netherlands.

Why bother starting a thread when you have all the answers you want already.

jimmycrackcorm

When it comes to abortion a women should have rights over her body.
But if she wants to make money from her body then she has no rights.

Seems we still don't trust women to make their own choices.

dotsman

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The vast majority of prostitutes don’t have access to social media or lobby groups to tell you how shìt it is, so all you’d be hearing is all you’d want to hear, which would suit your point of view really. The accounts from the people you want to hear from would be about as useful as tits on a bull.

WTF???

Is your hatred of these women so bad, that you actually believe they are too stupid to figure out how to work computers and smartphones?

You do realise a lot of them have a huge online presence???

One eyed Jack

dotsman wrote: »

WTF???

Is your hatred of these women so bad, that you actually believe they are too stupid to figure out how to work computers and smartphones?

You do realise a lot of them have a huge online presence???

What hatred of women are you talking about? And no, a lot of prostitutes (both men and women), don’t have a huge online presence, that’s the point I was making - the vast majority of prostitutes don’t have a huge online presence because they don’t have access to social media or lobby groups to tell anyone how shìt it is. I didn’t say anything about their intellect.

Gynoid

http://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1104&context=dignity

I am not going to go into this in a big way mostly because Im too lazy today to do the back up links. I notice however that recurring and laughable trope of how punters can get to be with all the supermodels in the sex world. Fact is in Germany for example 60 to 80% of prostitites come from abroad and if one reads their stories a good many end up servicing huge numbers of clients daily in flat rate brothels in a market where the prices are always falling due to heavy competition from trafficked women who are made to do anything requested. Sexy.

But Im not going to in any way link trafficking and so called sex work because that is a wicked illiberal sin. I will just leave the link above which is a 2018 report on the traumatic brain injury rates among the gorgeous and willing supermodels in "sex work", which runs at very high rates, with a higher percentage suffering more ordinary head injuries from throttling, shoving etc. More sexiness.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Gynoid wrote: »

http://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1104&context=dignity

I am not going to go into this in a big way mostly because Im too lazy today to do the back up links. I notice however that recurring and laughable trope of how punters can get to be with all the supermodels in the sex world. Fact is in Germany for example 60 to 80% of prostitites come from abroad and if one reads their stories a good many end up servicing huge numbers of clients daily in flat rate brothels in a market where the prices are always falling due to heavy competition from trafficked women who are made to do anything requested. Sexy.

But Im not going to in any way link trafficking and so called sex work because that is a wicked illiberal sin. I will just leave the link above which is a 2018 report on the traumatic brain injury rates among the gorgeous and willing supermodels in "sex work", which runs at very high rates, with a higher percentage suffering more ordinary head injuries from throttling, shoving etc. More sexiness.

Good post.

My question as to this thread was more so the sex work paradigm in Germany specifically cause, I have heard and read about these "mega brothels" which are endorsed and regulated by the government, and this video claiming the negative implications of that setup.

To me, that occurs supposedly as to effective rights violations of workers, but additionally in promoting this subculture of entitlement in clientele where they feel, "my money, my choice - I'll do as I please".

I will say, there's a fine line to be drawn in that realm, and of course it's gonna be a reflection in some capacity of the intergender relational disparity - men who have difficulty relating to women, and vice-versa.

Both sides have their grievances.

To the point however, it's the German model in particular that obviously raises questions in this instance as, I know beyond any doubt, this idea of "I paid, I can do however I please", does absolutely NOT exist in sex work models in other countries.

Netherlands red light areas, I mean I guess you could technically classify them as outdoor mega brothels - in a sense?
But nothing about that setup would reflect the complaints being expressed in that video.

The Irish setup - I've yet to happen upon anything remotely similar in terms normalized subcultures where that "self entitlement" is in place.

Point being - Germany, despite legality and regulation - assuming this videos contentions are valid - they're obviously doing something wrong.

Now Ireland currently, one faction is pushing hard for criminalization and quashing "demand".
Another faction is pushing for regulation and full legalization.

If the latter were to give rise to what we're seeing with the German model (assuming the claims in this video are not spurious), then - well, that would certainly throw into question the potential benefits of such an approach.


So - there's gotta be a middle ground; cause let's face it - we're talking about a financially incentivized framework for bumping uglies here; not rocket science.

I'd also be curious as to see the results of the same video makers doing an evaluation of the Dutch sex trade and their contentions as to whether similar mentalities are in place there - specifically the red light district.
That would give some perspective to their claims on the German model at least.

bo0li5eumx12kp

And more specifically, this idea of "head trauma" being sustained by German workers?

Either they have some fetish related kinks they allow their clients to partake of or, something is seriously out of whack (again, is this a reflection of the German setup exclusively?)

If that was known to be happening in other cultural sex work sectors - some testicales would be getting castrated.

Better to push it all underground and criminalise it so we can pretend it isn't happening like we do here.

Women are always going to sell their bodies in one form or another - just look at Instagram for 5 minutes and then say that women don't put themselves on sale. Going after the rich successful man is the woman's version of paying for sex. The price of a realtionship or marriage for a man is just far higher. This isn't to say there aren't any loving healthy relationships of equals, but many aren't like that at all.

I wouldn't be in favour of mega brothels but a model where women who want to be sex workers can get a self employed licence and easily report any abuse etc would be better for everyone involved. It's probaby one of the most honest forms of work there are where neither party is in any doubt of the others intentions.

I automatically disregard any videos that are trying to elicit an emotional reaction - they are without exception dishonest.

Gynoid

Aniya Careful Styrofoam wrote: »

And more specifically, this idea of "head trauma" being sustained by German workers?

Either they have some fetish related kinks they allow their clients to partake of or, something is seriously out of whack (again, is this a reflection of the German setup exclusively?)

If that was known to be happening in other cultural sex work sectors - some testicales would be getting castrated.

The head trauma report is US based. Just left it there for consideration.

Im not getting involved in this debate, I want to have a nice day

Austria!

One eyed Jack wrote: »

the vast majority of prostitutes don’t have a huge online presence because they don’t have access to social media

Back this up

One eyed Jack

Austria! wrote: »

Back this up

Bother me arse tbh, better things to be doing on a Sunday morning than entertaining nonsense :rolleyes:

bo0li5eumx12kp

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Bother me arse tbh, better things to be doing on a Sunday morning than entertaining nonsense :rolleyes:

Your statement as to absence in online communities and basically not having their fingers on the pulse, is intentionally ignorant, presumptive, or misinformed.

It's like saying chicks now a days don't use an iphone, or have a facebook profile, an instagram account etc.

Hell the entire registration process in Ireland is done via submission of an online profile and membership of an online community is compulsory.

Plus have you never heard the expression, "chicks talk to each other".

normanoffside

Berties_Horse wrote: »

Most adults refer to them as "women".

Forget his British and Irish passport, he self identifies as a 1980s American Frat boy

Have only listened to about 20 minutes but this is a seriously impressive young woman.

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/the-portal/21-ashley-mathews-aka-riley-reid-the-mogul-and-bra/

dotsman

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What hatred of women are you talking about?

I'm not sure, but the tone of your posts seem to indicate that you don't like these people and believe you are superior to them etc.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

And no, a lot of prostitutes (both men and women), don’t have a huge online presence, that’s the point I was making - the vast majority of prostitutes don’t have a huge online presence because they don’t have access to social media or lobby groups to tell anyone how shìt it is. I didn’t say anything about their intellect.

But why don't they have access to social media? Are you insinuating that ISP's and mobile phone provider's spy on us to see what we work as, and if a customer happens to work in prostitution that the ISP/Mobile Phone Provider terminates the contract and denies them service???

I really don't understand what you are saying here!

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Bother me arse tbh, better things to be doing on a Sunday morning than entertaining nonsense :rolleyes:

But, you are making a ridiculous claim that nobody here understands. I think you pretty much need to back up the claim (or at least explain the logic that you use to come up with your theory; otherwise, it just makes your posts look very stupid).

biko

jaxxx wrote: »

Here we go again. How about this time instead of reading/listening to those with little insight into the whole thing, you ask someone who with lots. The sex workers themselves perhaps. Wait, no, that makes sense. We don't want to be doing things that make sense now in this day and age!

I don't know any sex workers so cannot ask.
I tend to trust organisations for trafficked women, like Ruhama
If you have some extra cash I suggest donating some of it to them www.ruhama.ie/donate

The happy hooker is a myth perpetrated by customers that don't want to burden themselves with the sad life of the person they are "having sex" with.

No. Zero attraction for me. I can't imagine paying for sex, it would take the attraction out of it. When I was single, it was the chase that was exciting. To put in fishing parlance (although I don't fish ) a fisherman wouldn't get any satisfaction fishing in a barrel.

I've walked past the red light district in Amsterdam, and there's some pretty women in the windows, but never had a twitch of desire. They possibly make a lot more money than me, but I felt sorry for them.

With that said, I very much wish Ireland would make prostitution legal so it could be policed, with regular health checks for the workers. Oh, and taxed It would be a lot safer for them. We've come a long way from Dev's Ireland, and we should legislate for this.

jaxxx

biko wrote: »

I don't know any sex workers so cannot ask.
I tend to trust organisations for trafficked women, like Ruhama
If you have some extra cash I suggest donating some of it to them www.ruhama.ie/donate

The happy hooker is a myth perpetrated by customers that don't want to burden themselves with the sad life of the person they are "having sex" with.

So you're aware then that Ruhama are run by the same people behind the Magdalene laundries?

"Don't know sex workers so can't ask". Fair enough, but then why do you automatically believe everything Ruhama say then? Accepting only one side of the argument without even doing any sort of research into the other side? If you want actual facts, I suggest you read up on the Sex Workers Alliance Ireland, plenty of videos out there on Youtube. I would have expected a much more impartial approach from one of Boards' lead moderators.

One eyed Jack

dotsman wrote: »

I'm not sure, but the tone of your posts seem to indicate that you don't like these people and believe you are superior to them etc.

I certainly consider myself superior to anyone campaigning for prostitution to be decriminalised, legalised, etc. The point jaxxx was making is that politicians and legislators should ask the opinions of prostitutes in regard to the issue of prostitution, as opposed to listening to special interest lobby groups.

As though there aren’t special interest lobby groups campaigning for prostitution in Ireland. There are, and they have a lot more access to social media to promote their particular point of view than the vast majority of prostitutes who don’t have access to social media, let alone the ability to communicate their point that it’s ****.

All of that is distinct from the fact that I disagree completely with the nonsense notion that prostitutes should be asked for their opinions in regard to prostitution. They’re two distinct concepts - prostitution as an issue, is a separate issue from the people who engage in it.

dotsman wrote: »

But why don't they have access to social media? Are you insinuating that ISP's and mobile phone provider's spy on us to see what we work as, and if a customer happens to work in prostitution that the ISP/Mobile Phone Provider terminates the contract and denies them service???

I really don't understand what you are saying here!

Let’s be honest, you’re not trying very hard to understand what I’m saying either. I’m saying that the vast majority of prostitutes don’t have the same access to social media and lobby groups as the small minority of prostitutes who campaign in favour of prostitution.

dotsman wrote: »

But, you are making a ridiculous claim that nobody here understands. I think you pretty much need to back up the claim (or at least explain the logic that you use to come up with your theory; otherwise, it just makes your posts look very stupid).

I think you understood perfectly well what I meant, but if you want to behave like a simpleton, that’s really not something I care to entertain. I’m doing you a courtesy by explaining what I meant, but I have no real interest in indulging nonsense.

One eyed Jack

jaxxx wrote: »

So you're aware then that Ruhama are run by the same people behind the Magdalene laundries?

"Don't know sex workers so can't ask". Fair enough, but then why do you automatically believe everything Ruhama say then? Accepting only one side of the argument without even doing any sort of research into the other side? If you want actual facts, I suggest you read up on the Sex Workers Alliance Ireland, plenty of videos out there on Youtube. I would have expected a much more impartial approach from one of Boards' lead moderators.

There’s nothing factual about SWAI, they’re just another small lobby group trying to portray themselves as a legitimate organisation :pac:

Pauliedragon

biko wrote: »

I don't know any sex workers so cannot ask.
I tend to trust organisations for trafficked women, like Ruhama
If you have some extra cash I suggest donating some of it to them www.ruhama.ie/donate

The happy hooker is a myth perpetrated by customers that don't want to burden themselves with the sad life of the person they are "having sex" with.

I've worked with women in the past who worked casually as sex workers and they were happy to do it. None were forced they just saw it as decent money for a short time of their lives which meant they could set themselves up financially.