Trump: Middle East peace plan announced

Cheerful Spring2

Reaction not good so far from the Palestinians and Hezbollah. Apparently Israel plans to annex the West bank on Sunday.

BBC link.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51288218

SEPT 23 1989

Palestinians were rioting and burning American flags before the details of the plan were released

There is no hope for that place

Skylinehead

This was never meant to be serious. Taking the entire Jordan Valley, giving a bit of desert in return. A massive tunnel between the West Bank and Gaza, come on

James Brown

Trump's son in law and BibI concocted this and the Palestinians are finding out like we did. Some 'peace deal'. Trump is just a lumbering ignorant insult to the Palestinians and the United States.
Hopefully the world stands up to these two bully states.
Top marks to Trump for keeping a straight face.

rapul

Aye don't even know where to begin with this, we will just have to see what happens over next few days, harsh times indeed.

KiKi III

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Palestinians were rioting and burning American flags before the details of the plan were released

There is no hope for that place

It’s almost like they knew Trump was going to f*ck them over.

Padraig Mor

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Reaction not good so far from the Palestinians and Hezbollah. Apparently Israel plans to annex the West bank on Sunday.

BBC link.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51288218

Wow. That plan is so, so far from being a "peace" plan I almost admire their collective balls in naming it so.

And yes, looks like warmonger in chief Netanyahu is going to announce the formal theft of Palestinian land at the weekend, in complete violation of every international agreement - with the full blessing of the US. But don't forget, the Americans are the good guys, ok?!

James Brown

It's disgusting.

skooterblue2

As long as the arabs are fighting among each other they are occupied. If they ever united there would be hell to pay. Keep em ignorant and fighting is what I say.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

I think this can definitely work... there will never be a perfect solution, that can make both sides 100% content. But this has the potential to be workable!

Trump will be a shoe-in for the nobel peace prize, in the future, if he manages to implement this!

Of course there will always be detractors, no matter what Trump or Israel do... it really wouldn't matter what they did or didn't do. But these people need to be ignored if peace is to be achieved. Ignore the naysayers and plow on ahead with these plans!

rapul

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I think this can definitely work... there will never be a perfect solution, that can make both sides 100% content. But this has the potential to be workable!

Trump will be a shoe-in for the nobel peace prize, in the future, if he manages to implement this!

Of course there will always be detractors, no matter what Trump or Israel do... it really wouldn't matter what they did or didn't do. But these people need to be ignored if peace is to be achieved. Ignore the naysayers and plow on ahead with these plans!

Jaysus is that you Netanyahu?! What a load of bolox

Sonics2k

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I think this can definitely work... there will never be a perfect solution, that can make both sides 100% content. But this has the potential to be workable!

Trump will be a shoe-in for the nobel peace prize, in the future, if he manages to implement this!

Of course there will always be detractors, no matter what Trump or Israel do... it really wouldn't matter what they did or didn't do. But these people need to be ignored if peace is to be achieved. Ignore the naysayers and plow on ahead with these plans!

This "Peace Plan" is basically just Trump and Netenyahu officially annexing more land from Palestine.

Kiith

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I think this can definitely work... there will never be a perfect solution, that can make both sides 100% content. But this has the potential to be workable!

Trump will be a shoe-in for the nobel peace prize, in the future, if he manages to implement this!

Of course there will always be detractors, no matter what Trump or Israel do... it really wouldn't matter what they did or didn't do. But these people need to be ignored if peace is to be achieved. Ignore the naysayers and plow on ahead with these plans!

Eh what? Peace will be achieved...by blatantly stealing land and basically saying **** you to anyone who disagrees. This is Israel once again doing whatever the **** they want, cause daddy Trump will back them regardless of what human rights abuses they commit.

Utter farce to say anything positive about this.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Sonics2k wrote: »

This "Peace Plan" is basically just Trump and Netenyahu officially annexing more land from Palestine.

There is no perfect plan, that will appease both sides equally...

Unless you have such a plan?

No matter what anyone comes up with, there will always be people that will be unhappy with it. But I do think this could work potentially.

Kiith

But this isn't attempted to appease anyone. This is entirely in Isreal's favour, and completely ****s over Palestine.

Not to mention it will once again lead to Israel breaking international law.

Sonics2k

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

There is no perfect plan, that will appease both sides equally...

Unless you have such a plan?

No matter what anyone comes up with, there will always be people that will be unhappy with it. But I do think this could work potentially.

Yeah it's pretty simple honestly. Israel just STOPS annexing more Palestinian lands because they want it.

Winning_Stroke

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yeah it's pretty simple honestly. Israel just STOPS annexing more Palestinian lands because they want it.

So current borders then? Somehow I sincerely doubt the Palestians would accept that.

realdanbreen

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Palestinians were rioting and burning American flags before the details of the plan were released

There is no hope for that place

Well I guess giving back the land that was stolen from the Palestinians might help to bring peace to 'that place'

realdanbreen

It's kind of ironic that in a week where commerations are taking place to mark the atrocities inflicted on the Jewish people 75 years ago and there is a groundswell of sympathy for them that the Israeli prime minister along with that clown in the white house attempt to inflict this 'solution' on the Palestinians.

Winning_Stroke

Tbh I don't think there is the possibility of a lasting peace that satisfies both sides there anymore. That ship has sailed.

FTA69

The Palestinians are beaten and powerless. They've been ringfenced into glorified bantustans under military occupation and their land has been systematically salami-sliced away from them; whether it was Israel effectively annexing nearly 10% of the West Bank with their 'security barrier' or the continued efforts of land-grabs and colonisation to build illegal settlements. This has happened with the connivance of the world's most powerful country and it's utterly shameful.

Edgware

Palestine can either depend in their "Arab brothers" who have used and abused them for years to keep their own people under control or they can sit down with Israel who have also used and abused them. Both parties will have to realise that the only hope for peace is significant compromise from each. Otherwise it will just continue to be conflict after conflict. Israel or Palestine are not going away.

Sonics2k

Edgware wrote: »

Palestine can either depend in their "Arab brothers" who have used and abused them for years to keep their own people under control or they can sit down with Israel who have also used and abused them. Both parties will have to realise that the only hope for peace is significant compromise from each. Otherwise it will just continue to be conflict after conflict. Israel or Palestine are not going away.

I legitimately struggle to understand why Palestine has to compromise though?

Israel is the invading country. They are the "bad guys". I mean, I'm not fan of the Palestinian Government, but after decades of invasions it makes sense for people to dislike Israel.

MonkeyTennis

You guys make it sound like its such a complicated issue.

rapul

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

You guys make it sound like its such a complicated issue.

How would you deal with it then?

Edgware

Sonics2k wrote: »

I legitimately struggle to understand why Palestine has to compromise though?

Israel is the invading country. They are the "bad guys". I mean, I'm not fan of the Palestinian Government, but after decades of invasions it makes sense for people to dislike Israel.

Israel was established under international law whether you agree or disagree.
The only reason Palestine has to comprimise (as will Israel) is because there is no other solution that will get past Israel. The world powers will not abandon Israel. Nothing in life is perfect and you can live and prosper in an agreed political settlement or live in a perpetual warzone

end of the road

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I think this can definitely work... there will never be a perfect solution, that can make both sides 100% content. But this has the potential to be workable!

Trump will be a shoe-in for the nobel peace prize, in the future, if he manages to implement this!

Of course there will always be detractors, no matter what Trump or Israel do... it really wouldn't matter what they did or didn't do. But these people need to be ignored if peace is to be achieved. Ignore the naysayers and plow on ahead with these plans!

nope. the only thing workable about it is that israel can in all likely hood ramp up their continuous breaching of international law and human rights. something they have been doing since the beginning.

Edgware wrote: »

Palestine can either depend in their "Arab brothers" who have used and abused them for years to keep their own people under control or they can sit down with Israel who have also used and abused them. Both parties will have to realise that the only hope for peace is significant compromise from each. Otherwise it will just continue to be conflict after conflict. Israel or Palestine are not going away.

sitting down with israel will do nothing. israel is an expansionist project which will continue it's actions regardless.

Winning_Stroke

Sonics2k wrote: »

I legitimately struggle to understand why Palestine has to compromise though?

Realpolitk. Israel is a very rich nation, with one of the most advanced militaries on the planet and has the bend-over-backwards backing of a superpower.

Would have been much better for the Palestinians if they accepted one of the previous deals but such is hindsight.

MonkeyTennis

rapul wrote: »

How would you deal with it then?

id turn my sarcasm detector on for a start

end of the road

Edgware wrote: »

Israel was established under international law whether you agree or disagree.

israel today is not the israel as established under international law. it is way outside it's borders for a start.

Edgware wrote: »

The only reason Palestine has to comprimise (as will Israel) is because there is no other solution that will get past Israel.

if we are being realistic, the only solution that will get past israel is complete capitulation and the allowence to simply take and colonise the land.

Edgware wrote: »

The world powers will not abandon Israel.

apart from a couple of powers, i may not be so sure on others, there is no real incentive for them to go out of their way to stick by israel's side no matter what. they won't stop recognising their right to exist, which is fine, however people do seem to be slowly waking up to israel and are getting sick of them and their behaviour.

Edgware wrote: »

Nothing in life is perfect and you can live and prosper in an agreed political settlement or live in a perpetual warzone

not any political settlement where israel is concerned, until such time as they are told to behave and are told to get back within their borders.

Edgware

end of the road wrote: »

israel today is not the israel as established under international law. it is way outside it's borders for a start.



if we are being realistic, the only solution that will get past israel is complete capitulation and the allowence to simply take and colonise the land.



apart from a couple of powers, i may not be so sure on others, there is no real incentive for them to go out of their way to stick by israel's side no matter what. they won't stop recognising their right to exist, which is fine, however people do seem to be slowly waking up to israel and are getting sick of them and their behaviour.



not any political settlement where israel is concerned, until such time as they are told to behave and are told to get back within their borders.

If they get back within their borders will they be allowed live in peace?

rapul

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

id turn my sarcasm detector on for a start

Wrong thread for sarcasm, quite a serious matter

end of the road

Edgware wrote: »

If they get back within their borders will they be allowed live in peace?

if they get back within their borders, stop war mongering, playing the victim and all else then i see no reason why they wouldn't.
worst case it would go a huge way to help them, best case more powers might actually be willing to have dealings with them including the neighbours who are currently hostile to them due to their current behaviour.

MonkeyTennis

rapul wrote: »

Wrong thread for sarcasm, quite a serious matter

Its a very serious matter which makes Kushner et al all the more galling

Padraig Mor

Edgware wrote: »

Palestine can either depend in their "Arab brothers" who have used and abused them for years to keep their own people under control or they can sit down with Israel who have also used and abused them. Both parties will have to realise that the only hope for peace is significant compromise from each. Otherwise it will just continue to be conflict after conflict. Israel or Palestine are not going away.

You miss the point as, to be fair, the overwhelming majority of people do. Palestinians and other Arabs have for decades tried to negotiate in good faith with the Israelis but it is the latter who have - deliberately - scuppered every attempt at peace. The Israelis do not want peace - they want the Palestinians gone from what they regard as their land "because God said so". If they thought they'd get away with it I've little doubt they'd kill or expel every last Palestinian.

Did you know that the Palestinians and every other significant Arab and Persian faction, including - shock horror - the Iranians and Hamas, have agreed to recognise a state of Israel within the 1967 boundaries - since 1970? The same boundaries which are recognised by the UN and all international bodies - even though they are giving up land stolen not just in 1948, but in further wars of conquest by Israel too. That they have also agreed to let Jersualem be an international city and act as the capital of both Israeli and Palestinian states? And much more! The only side that have ever made any meaningful concessions are the Palestinians. But the Israelis are just not interested. It's beyond the scope of a Boards post to get in detail, but history shows that every time the Palestinians move closer to peace or, especially, look like casting aside their internal differences and working together, the Israelis initiate bloodshed - because they do not want peace.

This current plan would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious. It literally gives Israel pretty much everything that they want - in complete violation of the UN. That the Palestinians weren't even invited to the launch says it all. Seems to me Bibi is worried about his upcoming trial and the March elections - and he knows nothing sells better with Israeli voters than taking land or lives from Palestinians. My betting is he told Trump he's annexing the West Bank at the weekend, and that the US had better throw something together to give the tasteless spectacle a glimmer of dignity.

The plan has much in common with other previous efforts - note in particular that it is the Palestinians who must do X, Y and Z and then, maybe, if Israel feels like it, they might let them have a useless scrap of land in the desert or something - but we all know they won't even do that. The Israelis? They get everything, now - despite being the agressor.

The reports of the plan do bring to the surface something which is rarely mentioned in the Western press - note the reference to Israel establishing its "permanent borders". This is a reference to one of the major obstacles to peace - Israel has never actually defined its borders. No, really! So going back over the decades, how could the Palestinians recognise Israel.......when the Israelis wouldn't say which bits were "theirs".

I'm actually amazed this story isn't getting more traction - this is the single biggest change in the area in 50 years.

Finally, anyone who wants to know the root of the whole issue and just why the Palestinians feel aggrieved should read the following piece:
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html

It was written by the King of Jordan six months prior to the founding of Israel and eloquently describes the fears of those who already lived in the land. The intervening 70 odd years only underscore just how correct the piece was. It really is required reading for anyone with an interest in the conflict - go on, it'll take you ten minutes and you'll learn a lot! Ironically, the same piece was hosted on the webpage of, of all people, Benjamin Netanyahu a number of years ago (maybe it still is) together with his "proof" that it was incorrect. His proof? Quotes from the Bible. Literally "God said it's our land". And this is the guy with his finger on the nuclear button who rails about the Iranians being fanatics?

golfball37

The most annoying thing for me is the feeling Netanyahu set off on this course a few years ago to distract from his personal corruption.

CrankyHaus

They make a desolation and call it peace

Edgware

Padraig Mor wrote: »

You miss the point as, to be fair, the overwhelming majority of people do. Palestinians and other Arabs have for decades tried to negotiate in good faith with the Israelis but it is the latter who have - deliberately - scuppered every attempt at peace. The Israelis do not want peace - they want the Palestinians gone from what they regard as their land "because God said so". If they thought they'd get away with it I've little doubt they'd kill or expel every last Palestinian.

Did you know that the Palestinians and every other significant Arab and Persian faction, including - shock horror - the Iranians and Hamas, have agreed to recognise a state of Israel within the 1967 boundaries - since 1970? The same boundaries which are recognised by the UN and all international bodies - even though they are giving up land stolen not just in 1948, but in further wars of conquest by Israel too. That they have also agreed to let Jersualem be an international city and act as the capital of both Israeli and Palestinian states? And much more! The only side that have ever made any meaningful concessions are the Palestinians. But the Israelis are just not interested. It's beyond the scope of a Boards post to get in detail, but history shows that every time the Palestinians move closer to peace or, especially, look like casting aside their internal differences and working together, the Israelis initiate bloodshed - because they do not want peace.

This current plan would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious. It literally gives Israel pretty much everything that they want - in complete violation of the UN. That the Palestinians weren't even invited to the launch says it all. Seems to me Bibi is worried about his upcoming trial and the March elections - and he knows nothing sells better with Israeli voters than taking land or lives from Palestinians. My betting is he told Trump he's annexing the West Bank at the weekend, and that the US had better throw something together to give the tasteless spectacle a glimmer of dignity.

The plan has much in common with other previous efforts - note in particular that it is the Palestinians who must do X, Y and Z and then, maybe, if Israel feels like it, they might let them have a useless scrap of land in the desert or something - but we all know they won't even do that. The Israelis? They get everything, now - despite being the agressor.

The reports of the plan do bring to the surface something which is rarely mentioned in the Western press - note the reference to Israel establishing its "permanent borders". This is a reference to one of the major obstacles to peace - Israel has never actually defined its borders. No, really! So going back over the decades, how could the Palestinians recognise Israel.......when the Israelis wouldn't say which bits were "theirs".

I'm actually amazed this story isn't getting more traction - this is the single biggest change in the area in 50 years.

Finally, anyone who wants to know the root of the whole issue and just why the Palestinians feel aggrieved should read the following piece:
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html

It was written by the King of Jordan six months prior to the founding of Israel and eloquently describes the fears of those who already lived in the land. The intervening 70 odd years only underscore just how correct the piece was. It really is required reading for anyone with an interest in the conflict - go on, it'll take you ten minutes and you'll learn a lot! Ironically, the same piece was hosted on the webpage of, of all people, Benjamin Netanyahu a number of years ago (maybe it still is) together with his "proof" that it was incorrect. His proof? Quotes from the Bible. Literally "God said it's our land". And this is the guy with his finger on the nuclear button who rails about the Iranians being fanatics?

Got it.
Palestine always good

Israel always bad.
Plenty room for optimism so.

jam_mac_jam

Padraig Mor wrote: »

You miss the point as, to be fair, the overwhelming majority of people do. Palestinians and other Arabs have for decades tried to negotiate in good faith with the Israelis but it is the latter who have - deliberately - scuppered every attempt at peace. The Israelis do not want peace - they want the Palestinians gone from what they regard as their land "because God said so". If they thought they'd get away with it I've little doubt they'd kill or expel every last Palestinian.

Did you know that the Palestinians and every other significant Arab and Persian faction, including - shock horror - the Iranians and Hamas, have agreed to recognise a state of Israel within the 1967 boundaries - since 1970? The same boundaries which are recognised by the UN and all international bodies - even though they are giving up land stolen not just in 1948, but in further wars of conquest by Israel too. That they have also agreed to let Jersualem be an international city and act as the capital of both Israeli and Palestinian states? And much more! The only side that have ever made any meaningful concessions are the Palestinians. But the Israelis are just not interested. It's beyond the scope of a Boards post to get in detail, but history shows that every time the Palestinians move closer to peace or, especially, look like casting aside their internal differences and working together, the Israelis initiate bloodshed - because they do not want peace.

This current plan would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious. It literally gives Israel pretty much everything that they want - in complete violation of the UN. That the Palestinians weren't even invited to the launch says it all. Seems to me Bibi is worried about his upcoming trial and the March elections - and he knows nothing sells better with Israeli voters than taking land or lives from Palestinians. My betting is he told Trump he's annexing the West Bank at the weekend, and that the US had better throw something together to give the tasteless spectacle a glimmer of dignity.

The plan has much in common with other previous efforts - note in particular that it is the Palestinians who must do X, Y and Z and then, maybe, if Israel feels like it, they might let them have a useless scrap of land in the desert or something - but we all know they won't even do that. The Israelis? They get everything, now - despite being the agressor.

The reports of the plan do bring to the surface something which is rarely mentioned in the Western press - note the reference to Israel establishing its "permanent borders". This is a reference to one of the major obstacles to peace - Israel has never actually defined its borders. No, really! So going back over the decades, how could the Palestinians recognise Israel.......when the Israelis wouldn't say which bits were "theirs".

I'm actually amazed this story isn't getting more traction - this is the single biggest change in the area in 50 years.

Finally, anyone who wants to know the root of the whole issue and just why the Palestinians feel aggrieved should read the following piece:
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html

It was written by the King of Jordan six months prior to the founding of Israel and eloquently describes the fears of those who already lived in the land. The intervening 70 odd years only underscore just how correct the piece was. It really is required reading for anyone with an interest in the conflict - go on, it'll take you ten minutes and you'll learn a lot! Ironically, the same piece was hosted on the webpage of, of all people, Benjamin Netanyahu a number of years ago (maybe it still is) together with his "proof" that it was incorrect. His proof? Quotes from the Bible. Literally "God said it's our land". And this is the guy with his finger on the nuclear button who rails about the Iranians being fanatics?

That's a really interesting essay. Thanks for posting that.

James Brown

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

There is no perfect plan, that will appease both sides equally...

Unless you have such a plan?

No matter what anyone comes up with, there will always be people that will be unhappy with it. But I do think this could work potentially.

This is not a peace plan.
It's Trump and BiBi trying to legitimise Israeli aggression and theft.

James Brown

Edgware wrote: »

Got it.
Palestine always good

Israel always bad.
Plenty room for optimism so.

You obviously do not.

statesaver

Neither side want peace.

They want to eliminate each other and it looks like Israel will win comfortably.

Sad but true.

Edgware

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You obviously do not.

Yes I have

James Brown

statesaver wrote: »

Neither side want peace.

They want to eliminate each other and it looks like Israel will win comfortably.

Sad but true.

Decent people on both sides want peace. This is not a peace agreement. That requires both sides. This was put to the Palestinians.

Israeli aggression and land grabbing needs to stop then talks can begin.

statesaver

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Decent people on both sides want peace. This is not a peace agreement. That requires both sides. This was put to the Palestinians.

Israeli aggression and land grabbing needs to stop then talks can begin.

Oh i agree with all you said but the world will do fcuk all about it.

Israeli win.

Sad but true.

Edgware

statesaver wrote: »

Oh i agree with all you said but the world will do fcuk all about it.

Israeli win.

Sad but true.

You'll get over it

James Brown

statesaver wrote: »

Oh i agree with all you said but the world will do fcuk all about it.

Israeli win.

Sad but true.

They haven't completed the genocide, and Trump won't be in power forever, neither will BiBi. Things can change. Also don't forget there are decent people in Israel and the United States.

notobtuse

The plan provides the Palestinians an opportunity to achieve their own state and live in peace. And in several years, if they denounce terrorism, they can push for more concessions and come away with a better deal. Bottom line... Israel is here to stay. But with the Palestinian leader’s comments over the deal they are only making it less likely that they’ll ever achieve statehood... or ever prosper.

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

The plan provides the Palestinians an opportunity to achieve their own state and live in peace. And in several years, if they denounce terrorism, they can push for more concessions and come away with a better deal. Bottom line... Israel is here to stay. But with the Palestinian leader’s comments over the deal they are only making it less likely that they’ll ever achieve statehood... or ever prosper.

Israel isn't here to stay. How can you say that? It changes size almost on a daily basis. Shouldn't a legitimate state/country be defined within borders? Some form of Israel will remain, sure.
Your POTUS is an ignorant inhumane bully boy. What peace comes from one side and it's backers son in law, dictating to the other? I suppose anything goes to support Trump. I was never a fan of the republicans but they use to have their own standard in ethics and morals.
The Palestinians are right.
BiBi has some nerve taking part in holocaust remembrances considering he's more in common with the Nazis.

CrankyHaus

Matt Barrett wrote: »

They haven't completed the genocide, and Trump won't be in power forever, neither will BiBi. Things can change. Also don't forget there are decent people in Israel and the United States.

How many decent people did we need on this island, Britain the US and elsewhere working for years to get even a shaky peace in NI?

Both Israel and Palestine have nothing close to the critical mass of people willing to make the concessions required for peace. The closest they got was in the 90s and even then there were too many on either side who preferred the chance of total victory over that of a compromise peace. Since then Israel has become comfortable with waging a forever war at relatively low human cost to itself while the Palestinian leaderships have no intention to resile from conditions that Israel will never accept.

Foreign powers aren't much help either, and in some cases deliberately keep the pot boiling for their own interests.
The US vacillates between tacit (Obama) and explicit (Trump) support for Israel's actions.
Iran was delighted to arm Hamas as another one of its proxies, until they fell out over the Syrian civil war. Now Qatar and Erdogan's Turkey have stepped in to support it.

Sadly, peace in Israel-Palestine isn't coming any time soon.

James Brown

CrankyHaus wrote: »

How many decent people did we need on this island, Britain the US and elsewhere working for years to get even a shaky peace in NI?

Both Israel and Palestine have nothing close to the critical mass of people willing to make the concessions required for peace. The closest they got was in the 90s and even then there were too many on either side who preferred the chance of total victory over that of a compromise peace. Since then Israel has become comfortable with waging a forever war at relatively low human cost to itself while the Palestinian leaderships have no intention to resile from conditions that Israel will never accept.

Foreign powers aren't much help either, and in some cases deliberately keep the pot boiling for their own interests.
The US vacillates between tacit (Obama) and explicit (Trump) support for Israel's actions.
Iran was delighted to arm Hamas as another one of its proxies, until they fell out over the Syrian civil war. Now Qatar and Erdogan's Turkey have stepped in to support it.

Sadly, peace in Israel-Palestine isn't coming any time soon.

True. Trump playing this like he's creating some historical peace deal is disgusting to watch and listen to.