RTE Claire Byrne live - 7 leader debate, NUI Galway ...

Hamsterchops

Seven way leaders debate -
Claire Byrne Live @9:35pm.
From NUI Galway.

Self explanatory really, who came out well, who would you vote for on the strength of tonights performance?

Vote now in attached poll....

Idbatterim

Wouldn’t rate any of them. But I hope the greens can get into government...

Hamsterchops

Michael Martin was good tonight.
Mary Lou loud & lacking in economic detail.
Leo sounded rather wooden & predictable.
Richard Boyd was on top finger pointing form..

Others can comment on the others:)

emerfan

Based purely on tonight's performance, Mary Lou was a clear winner - SF won't get my first preference, but I think she was excellent. MM not able for her.

Hamsterchops

You must have been' watching a different debate to me.
Yes she's brash, assertive and very self confident, but she's seriously lacking in detail.

emerfan

Hamsterchops wrote: »

You must have been' watching a different debate to me.
Yes she's brash, assertive and very self confident, but she's seriously lacking in detail.

In what way 'brash'? Concrete example please.

A manifesto is a place for detail, this is a seven way argument. You don't bring detail to a dog fight. She wiped the floor on every possible occasion.

basillarkin

mary lou way better than slick mick. RBB must have brought his extended family and friends with him

Hamsterchops

My God she's truly awful.

Her general tone of voice sounds brash to my ears. Good they had the 7 way debate as it really showed up the candidates strengths & weaknesses.

Fr_Dougal

emerfan wrote: »

Based purely on tonight's performance, Mary Lou was a clear winner - SF won't get my first preference, but I think she was excellent. MM not able for her.

Mary Lou was good for sound bites when criticising others, she didn’t have much to say regarding SF policies, and she had her ass handed to her regarding the state of NI and how SF increased the pension age up there.

I liked Brendan Howlin, he was very honest about having the one pot to increase spending and decrease taxes. A €5 a month in income tax cuts means sfa to most people and would be better spent on services.

emerfan

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Mary Lou was good for sound bites when criticising others, she didn’t have much to say regarding SF policies, and she had her ass handed to her regarding the state of NI and how SF increased the pension age up there.

I liked Brian Howlin, he was very honest about having the one pot to increase spending and decrease taxes. A €5 a month in income tax cuts means sfa to most people and would be better spent on services.

Yes I agree, that was the only time that I saw her obviously wrong footed though.

I like him too. There's no way on earth I'd like to see him running the country though.

niallers1

Marylou came out the best despite Michael and Leo trying to bully her.

Better Than Christ

On the strength of that debate, I'd vote for PBP, but their candidate in my constituency is (deservedly) a no-hoper. If I lived in Dún Laoghaire, Richard Boyd-Barrett would be getting my number 1.

JP Liz V1

Leo is not a good debater

RBB did well imho

Fr_Dougal

Better Than Christ wrote: »

On the strength of that debate, I'd vote for PBP, but their candidate in my constituency is (deservedly) a no-hoper. If I lived in Dún Laoghaire, Richard Boyd-Barrett would be getting my number 1.

PBP would run every international and possibly Irish company out of the country with taxes.

emerfan

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

PBP would run every international and possibly Irish company out of the country with taxes.

I often wonder where PBP think money comes from. Where precisely do they intend to generate income on our tiny island which relies so heavily on tourism and MNCs? Their policies are lovely in a magical fairytale land.

JohnnyFlash

emerfan wrote: »

I often wonder where PBP think money comes from. Where precisely do they intend to generate income on our tiny island which relies so heavily on tourism and MNCs? Their policies are lovely in a magical fairytale land.

The people will rise up in glorious revolution and a dictatorship of the people will emerge. All industry and business will be nationalised. That’s what PBP actually believe.

This is it

emerfan wrote: »

Yes I agree, that was the only time that I saw her obviously wrong footed though.

I like him too. There's no way on earth I'd like to see him running the country though.

Leo smashed her when she said the banks don't pay a penny, called her out and all she could do was repeat her misinformation, then Michael hit her with the pension age up north. I thought she was poor enough myself, loud but that's about it, not that any of the rest did that much better.

sligeach

Which leader was this?

Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but that's who he reminded me of.

Better Than Christ

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

PBP would run every international and possibly Irish company out of the country with taxes.

Based on their manifesto, which of their tax policies would cause every company to leave the country?

deisedevil

This is it wrote: »

Leo smashed her when she said the banks don't pay a penny, called her out and all she could do was repeat her misinformation, then Michael hit her with the pension age up north. I thought she was poor enough myself, loud but that's about it, not that any of the rest did that much better.

She completely shrank on both those occasions.

Fr_Dougal

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Based on their manifesto, which of their tax policies would cause every company to leave the country?

Aren’t you the fella who refers to the Gardai as “the filth”? :rolleyes:

booooonzo

Michael Martin is beyond unlikable.

Mary lou and RBB were by far the best

Edgware

booooonzo wrote: »

Michael Martin is beyond unlikable.

Mary lou and RBB were by far the best

Only if you are a believer in the magic beans economic policy

Better Than Christ

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Aren’t you the fella who refers to the Gardai as “the filth”? :rolleyes:

Based on their manifesto, which of PBP's tax policies would cause every company to leave the country?

Fr_Dougal

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Based on their manifesto, which of PBP's tax policies would cause every company to leave the country?

Corporation tax, now crawl back under your rock. Someone who refers to the Gardai as ‘the filth’, is not someone who I wish to engage with.

daheff

I didn't think ANY of them came across well. Same old jaded BS.

SafeSurfer

In terms of smart alec comments and one liners Mary Lou came out on top.

One of the most famous political TV debate put downs was Lloyd Benstens reply to Dan Quayle in the1988 Vice Presidential debate.

Bentsen: “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.”

Quayle and Bush went on to win convincingly.

SafeSurfer

SafeSurfer wrote: »

In terms of smart alec comments and one liners Mary Lou came out on top.

One of the most famous political TV debate put downs was Lloyd Benstens reply to Dan Quayle in the1988 Vice Presidential debate.

Bentsen: “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.”

Quayle and Bush went on to win convincingly.

You can never legislate for ignorance.

Better Than Christ

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Corporation tax, now crawl back under your rock. Someone who refers to the Gardai as they filth’, is not someone who I wish to engage with.

I once jokingly referred to them as 'the filth'. It was a Father Ted reference, Dougal. It's mad how humourless some people can be.

Do you think that making every company pay 12.5% (which is what PBP want) would make them all leave? Every single one of them? No more tax loopholes, no more companies? Is that honestly what you think?

no.8

brendanwalsh wrote:

I’ll be voting Fianna Fáil as the best of the worst bunch.

Bertie's boys..... and short term memories

hibble

Edgware wrote: »

Only if you are a believer in the magic beans economic policy

I'm in the Midlands and would love to see even baked beans.
Recovery my a#se.

Hamsterchops

*MARY LOU IN RUNAWAY LEAD - POLL .....

New Taoiseach 'Mary Lou if this is replicated on the 8th Feb :eek:

emerfan

no.8 wrote: »

Bertie's boys..... and short term memories

Yeah, not fooling anyone. You'd want to be either a dyed in the wool FF diehard supporter or too young to remember the crash to have the stomach to vote FF.

walshb

Not sure how anyone could place trust in a leader who can’t be even arsed to dress appropriately on the stage. Barrett and his ilk have been giving the two fingers to “standards” years now...

This is it

Hamsterchops wrote: »

*MARY LOU IN RUNAWAY LEAD - POLL .....

New Taoiseach 'Mary Lou if this is replicated on the 8th Feb :eek:

Fortunately they never do nearly as well as the lolls suggest.

McMurphy

walshb wrote: »

Not sure how anyone could place trust in a leader who can’t be even arsed to dress appropriately on the stage. Barrett and his ilk have been giving the two fingers to “standards” years now...

The lads who shafted this country through their policies and within the banks were all probably wearing expensive suits.

Clothes don't make the man,
.

weldoninhio

Anyone that thinks Mary Lou "won" last night, a night where she confirmed that any decisions made by a SF govt would be green-lighted by an unelected Ard Coimhairle is off their heads.

Why would anyone want the country run by someone they had no hand in voting for??

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How do these boards polls usually fair out against the real thing?

pjohnson

Idbatterim wrote: »

Wouldn’t rate any of them. But I hope the greens can get into government...

So will you be voting green instead of your beloved FG?

piplip87

niallers1 wrote: »

Marylou came out the best despite Michael and Leo trying to bully her.

Pointing out how her party has raised the pension age in the North while saying it's wrong an immoral to do down here is not bullying.

Pointing out that the SCC is a vital part of keeping dangerous people from murdering juries is not bullying either.

Pointing out that we have received more than 12.5% of profits from banks owned by the tax payer, while also proving Mary Lou wrong and a misery merchant is not bullying.

She was proven wrong time and time again throughout the debate.

Plumbthedepths

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would anyone want the country run by someone they had no hand in voting for??

Senior civil servants run this country. Did you vote for any of them?

suicide_circus

didnt see it last night but SF well on their way to forming a government with others by the looks of this poll result.

Midlife crisis man

Leo saying the average working salary is €47,000. Is this figure skewed? I make nowhere near that, my friends make nowhere near that, my parents make nowhere near. I'm fact, I don't know anyone who makes +- that for it to be the average salary.

NIMAN

suicide_circus wrote: »

didnt see it last night but SF well on their way to forming a government with others by the looks of this poll result.

Wanna take a bet!

FrancieBrady

Midlife crisis man wrote: »

Leo saying the average working salary is €47,000. Is this figure skewed? I make nowhere near that, my friends make nowhere near that, my parents make nowhere near. I'm fact, I don't know anyone who makes +- that for it to be the average salary.

Apparently he confused AWS with Average household income.

pjohnson

Midlife crisis man wrote: »

Leo saying the average working salary is €47,000. Is this figure skewed? I make nowhere near that, my friends make nowhere near that, my parents make nowhere near. I'm fact, I don't know anyone who makes +- that for it to be the average salary.

Hes never been in the same reality as most people.

Peanut2011

weldoninhio wrote: »

Anyone that thinks Mary Lou "won" last night, a night where she confirmed that any decisions made by a SF govt would be green-lighted by an unelected Ard Coimhairle is off their heads.

Why would anyone want the country run by someone they had no hand in voting for??

Do you honestly think that other parties don't have the governance? The difference is that they were able to find them cushy government jobs.

In any case, the party ultimately answers to electorate and people can always show dissatisfaction with their next votes.

Peanut2011

piplip87 wrote: »

Pointing out how her party has raised the pension age in the North while saying it's wrong an immoral to do down here is not bullying.

Pointing out that the SCC is a vital part of keeping dangerous people from murdering juries is not bullying either.

Pointing out that we have received more than 12.5% of profits from banks owned by the tax payer, while also proving Mary Lou wrong and a misery merchant is not bullying.

She was proven wrong time and time again throughout the debate.

You can't constantly go back to arguments of North. Its separate country and it has different challenges. While we all would like to pretend they are not, they are... it's simple.

In terms of corporation tax, she was right. She never said they did not make any other payments.

d8491prj5boyvg

Mary lou is very confident and carries herself well. But she talks an awful lot of populist bull. Misleading statements which was worrying. I wouldn't like a government run by someone with a record for misleading so obviously (and I know FG and FF are no saints in that department).
Leo started poorly but pulled it together as things moved from the canned responses to off the cuff interactions.

Peanut2011

suicide_circus wrote: »

didnt see it last night but SF well on their way to forming a government with others by the looks of this poll result.

Yeah, can't see that happening, but would be a huge change in the political landscape if they did get in to the government.

Peanut2011

King Rancid Bandage wrote: »

Leo started poorly but pulled it together as things moved from the canned responses to off the cuff interactions.

I was surprised that only once he went to "we had to sort out the mess you left" argument. However, I don't think he did enough.

I was hoping last night debate would give me more food for thought to finally help me decide who to vote for, I was disappointed overall.