Proliferation of doggy bags

denismc

I have noticed a lot of doggy bags lately while out walking, especially since Christmas. They are on the beaches, in the woods, pretty much everywhere people walk their dogs.
Many of these seem to have poop in them, I have even seen them tied to trees.
What I don't understand is why do people go to the trouble of picking up their dogs poop and then leave it in a bag that will be an eyesore and a health hazard?
These bags can take months and years to breakdown so if you use these bags can you please dispose of them properly?

Horace Wimp

Have seen them hanging from trees alright m always baffled me as to the reasoning.

Maybe it's some peoples warped view of taking it out of the way??

I hate picking it up myself, but needs must. I routinely put the poo bag in a wheelie bin I pass rather than walk a mile with it in my hand. Some people probably don't like that!

gmisk

I see poo bags on my walk pretty regularly (always bring mine home with me if no bin), it's horrible what is the point in bagging poo up and dumping it on the way?!? Better just to leave it! I think banning non bio degradable bags would be a good idea as well, I don't buy the plastic types.

Horace Wimp

gmisk wrote: »

I see poo bags on my walk pretty regularly (always bring mine home with me if no bin), it's horrible what is the point in bagging poo up and dumping it on the way?!? Better just to leave it! I think banning non bio degradable bags would be a good idea as well, I don't buy the plastic types.

I use the little green bags, it's about 6 euro for a pack with 4 rolls of them. Often wondered how long it takes for those biodegradable bags to actually biodegrade though

Dravokivich

I never understood why someone would go through all the effort of separating a bag from the rest of the bunch. Struggle for a couple of minutes to open it, only to realise they've 3, so need to seperate 1 from that again and try to open. Hunker down, scoop it up, without sliding your hand through resulting in getting that crap on you. Then tie it up only to fling it off somewhere else.

Horace Wimp

Seems I've an easier time opening bags than you

Have had your described problems with non biodegradable bags

gmisk

Horace Wimp wrote: »

I use the little green bags, it's about 6 euro for a pack with 4 rolls of them. Often wondered how long it takes for those biodegradable bags to actually biodegrade though

I tend to buy big order of them online.
I think it varies but 18 months ish

em_cat

I don’t get the issue with just carrying it with you until you get home or find a public bin if it’s that such a problem. I don’t like seeing the baggies everywhere but it’s better than carrying dog dirt home on your shoes, bike tyres, wheelchair or prams. We live in D8 and one of the main reasons we are moving is because it’s everywhere.

JPCN1

While you can never condone littering it would help if the councils could put bins in parks but that seems to beyond their capabilities.

bilbot79

This is the inconvenient truth. People think dog poo is a health issue ( as opposed to rabbit poo, deer poo, fox poo etc) so it has to go in a plastic bag.

It's an environmental disaster. Putting something perfectly biodegradable into a material that wont biodegrade and will potentially kill fish and birds...every time your dog takes a s***!!!!!

It's got to stop!

NasserShammaz

Saw some old cnut trowing one into the bushes in st Anne's park last sunday , told her she was a skumbag . Horrible old bitch 2 dogs one little white one and a manky brown thing . She didn't give a **** pure ****in skum lil film the cnut next time and post her . Sick of arseholes with dogs was who don't clean up their ****

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bilbot79

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Saw some old cnut trowing one into the bushes in st Anne's park last sunday , told her she was a skumbag . Horrible old bitch 2 dogs one little white one and a manky brown thing . She didn't give a **** pure ****in skum lil film the cnut next time and post her . Sick of arseholes with dogs was who don't clean up their ****

You my friend would benefit from some counselling.

DBB

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Saw some old cnut trowing one into the bushes in st Anne's park last sunday , told her she was a skumbag . Horrible old bitch 2 dogs one little white one and a manky brown thing . She didn't give a **** pure ****in skum lil film the cnut next time and post her . Sick of arseholes with dogs was who don't clean up their ****

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lawred2

denismc wrote: »

I have noticed a lot of doggy bags lately while out walking, especially since Christmas. They are on the beaches, in the woods, pretty much everywhere people walk their dogs.
Many of these seem to have poop in them, I have even seen them tied to trees.
What I don't understand is why do people go to the trouble of picking up their dogs poop and then leave it in a bag that will be an eyesore and a health hazard?
These bags can take months and years to breakdown so if you use these bags can you please dispose of them properly?

Because they are selfish self important ar**holes who think that there is always someone else around to clean up after them. Same shower would be tut tutting from inside their range rovers at travelers flytipping...

The state of public parks and walkways around Dublin are a disgrace with bagged and unbagged dog sh!t.

Garibaldi?

What is wrong with bringing the poo home and doing what is done with poo? Flushing it down the loo! I haven't seen any sign on my toilet saying "human s#### only please ":D

John_Rambo

Myself and one of my kids partake in a beach cleanup and this is causing a huge problem for us. We pick up what we think is a plastic bag with the litter picker and it bursts on pick up or when we try and put it in to the bag. We have to bring tissue and bottles of sanitisers after splashes of preserved, rotten dog dirt has come in to contact with skin.

I've had dogs and always managed to pick and bin, even if it meant a few kilometres to the next bin.

It's a serious health issue to people that are cleaning up after less considerate beach users. It's getting close to banning kids from the cleanup which isn't what we want.

I'd love to hear the reason people do this. Is it some sort of protest? Nastiness? Or sheer malice? When I catch someone doing it there'll be a confrontation and some serious questions.

noodler

People who leave full bags in parks expect the Council to pick them up.

It's mad, really.

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

Myself and one of my kids partake in a beach cleanup and this is causing a huge problem for us. We pick up what we think is a plastic bag with the litter picker and it bursts on pick up or when we try and put it in to the bag. We have to bring tissue and bottles of sanitisers after splashes of preserved, rotten dog dirt has come in to contact with skin.

I've had dogs and always managed to pick and bin, even if it meant a few kilometres to the next bin.

It's a serious health issue to people that are cleaning up after less considerate beach users. It's getting close to banning kids from the cleanup which isn't what we want.

I'd love to hear the reason people do this. Is it some sort of protest? Nastiness? Or sheer malice? When I catch someone doing it there'll be a confrontation and some serious questions.

I think it's people picking up their dog poop for 'show'. It's a very sensitive issue (understandably) and you can often feel the eyes of the park/beach/street on you when your dog is pooping! I think some people deal with that by picking it up for all to see and then the minute they're alone fecking it into the closest ditch etc.

Really , really annoys me but that's the only explanation I can think of.

John_Rambo

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's people picking up their dog poop for 'show'. It's a very sensitive issue (understandably) and you can often feel the eyes of the park/beach/street on you when your dog is pooping! I think some people deal with that by picking it up for all to see and then the minute they're alone fecking it into the closest ditch etc.

Really , really annoys me but that's the only explanation I can think of.

Right, your post makes sense. Laziness and selfishness prevails. If I catch anyone doing it they'll be taking repossession of the bag. Voluntarily or not.

HeidiHeidi

em_cat wrote: »

I don’t get the issue with just carrying it with you until you get home or find a public bin if it’s that such a problem. I don’t like seeing the baggies everywhere but it’s better than carrying dog dirt home on your shoes, bike tyres, wheelchair or prams. We live in D8 and one of the main reasons we are moving is because it’s everywhere.

I live in D8, but have family and do a lot of walking in D6/4 - and it's ten times worse there!



They're clearly far too posh to clean up poop in the richer areas



But seriously, it's a huge problem all over and I have to admit to being conflicted between poo on the path which at least will be gone in a few days/weeks, or in a plastic bag with a half life of about 500 years but at least it won't wind up on the sole of my shoe....


Bring the fecking bag home with ya, people!

pwurple

It's brutal. I remember tearing up with frustration when I had a newborn out in a pram, brought her home, exhausted and hormonal, and realised the wheel was covered in it. Rolled dog poo right into the house, and my toddler was now crawling in it. Stuck in all the crevices on the wheel. ARG.

What the actual heck is wrong with people who do this? All the handicapped people who get it on their canes or wheelchairs. Just awful.

I have a dog myself, just pick it up, bag it and bin it. Not difficult!


I have yet to meet someone who admits to it, so who is it?

lawred2

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I live in D8, but have family and do a lot of walking in D6/4 - and it's ten times worse there!



They're clearly far too posh to clean up poop in the richer areas



But seriously, it's a huge problem all over and I have to admit to being conflicted between poo on the path which at least will be gone in a few days/weeks, or in a plastic bag with a half life of about 500 years but at least it won't wind up on the sole of my shoe....


Bring the fecking bag home with ya, people!

Yeah take the leisurely hike up to the Hell fire club... Each step requires dodging dog crap. And last time I was there I counted about 5 plastic bags with crap in it at the gate of the car park. So they brought it down with them and decided that they were too good to have their own dog's crap with them in the car so just left it there.

Dirtbags.

Cherry Blossom

denismc wrote: »

I have noticed a lot of doggy bags lately while out walking, especially since Christmas. They are on the beaches, in the woods, pretty much everywhere people walk their dogs.
Many of these seem to have poop in them, I have even seen them tied to trees.
What I don't understand is why do people go to the trouble of picking up their dogs poop and then leave it in a bag that will be an eyesore and a health hazard?
These bags can take months and years to breakdown so if you use these bags can you please dispose of them properly?

If you are trying to get this message to the people that do this I can tell you that your posting it in completely the wrong place. The people that post in this forum care deeply about their pets and in the vast majority of cases take full responsibility for their dogs and clean up after them properly.

John_Rambo

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

If you are trying to get this message to the people that do this I can tell you that your posting it in completely the wrong place. The people that post in this forum care deeply about their pets and in the vast majority of cases take full responsibility for their dogs and clean up after them properly.

Yeah. Preaching to the converted here I guess. The only way is to catch them in the act and tackle them head on.

denismc

Yeah, I wasn't sure where to post this but if only a handful of people read this and change their behaviour it will be worth it.
I think what a lot of people don't realise is a lot of biodegradable bags can take months to breakdown,
I used to buy the green ones and put them in my composter but they would be still fully intact at the end of the year.
Cornstarch bags seem to be the best but even they can take months to breakdown.
There is a brand of doggy bag that is popular with councils in Cork that are designed to be incinerated and are not compostable at all.

bilbot79

denismc wrote: »

Yeah, I wasn't sure where to post this but if only a handful of people read this and change their behaviour it will be worth it.
I think what a lot of people don't realise is a lot of biodegradable bags can take months to breakdown,
I used to buy the green ones and put them in my composter but they would be still fully intact at the end of the year.
Cornstarch bags seem to be the best but even they can take months to breakdown.
There is a brand of doggy bag that is popular with councils in Cork that are designed to be incinerated and are not compostable at all.

Months would be perfectly fine.

noodler

None of the biodegradable points matter.

I don't personally believe anyone dumps these with **** in them because they expect them to "biodegrade" in a short space of time.

It's sheer laziness and a sense of "oh, I've done enough".

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's people picking up their dog poop for 'show'. It's a very sensitive issue (understandably) and you can often feel the eyes of the park/beach/street on you when your dog is pooping! I think some people deal with that by picking it up for all to see and then the minute they're alone fecking it into the closest ditch etc.

Really , really annoys me but that's the only explanation I can think of.

This is it exactly. In our local park there's very little left around the spots that are open enough where people can see you. There is a spot in one of the corners where you are covered/blocked from view by a few trees and bushes for a few seconds as you walk the loop. That corner is full of blue,black, green and beige bags of crap like some sort of perverse Christmas presents

Irish_peppa

I twice saw dog excrement in bags sitting on a small wall in our estate. The mind boggles a child could easily investigate that and get on hands. I will never understand people who do this. Very very unfair on the rest of the community. Very selfish act.

Alun

This thread reminds me of a sign I saw in Cornwall ...

Tabnabs

bilbot79 wrote: »

This is the inconvenient truth. People think dog poo is a health issue ( as opposed to rabbit poo, deer poo, fox poo etc) so it has to go in a plastic bag.

It's an environmental disaster. Putting something perfectly biodegradable into a material that wont biodegrade and will potentially kill fish and birds...every time your dog takes a s***!!!!!

It's got to stop!

Just to back up a minute here, dog poo absolutely is a health issue, dog faeces can contain a host of bacteria and transmittable diseases. E Coli being one of the worst possible issues.

So yeah, in public places, bag it up and bin it properly.

bilbot79

Tabnabs wrote: »

Just to back up a minute here, dog poo absolutely is a health issue, dog faeces can contain a host of bacteria and transmittable diseases. E Coli being one of the worst possible issues.

So yeah, in public places, bag it up and bin it properly.

Everything poos mate. We don't put horsepoo in plastic bags do we? And lo and behold we tend not to eat the stuff either which is why I never knew of a single person who contracted a disease from dogpoo.

If the human race thinks it's ok to put every single dog poo into a single use, non-recyclable, non-biodegradable plastic bag then it deserves to die out in biblical floods and wildfires.

This is the thing with the environment. Everybody cares about the environment, until it doesn't suit them!

Graces7

Please look up " diseases dog faeces"? eg "diseases from dogs/HEALTH 24

It is the faeces of carnivores that is dangerous. Not of horses; we used to put that on gardens.

Noone here is advocating leaving bags of it around but not leaving the dirt in public places either

Bag it, bring it home.

bilbot79 wrote: »

Everything poos mate. We don't put horsepoo in plastic bags do we? And lo and behold we tend not to eat the stuff either which is why I never knew of a single person who contracted a disease from dogpoo.

If the human race thinks it's ok to put every single dog poo into a single use, non-recyclable, non-biodegradable plastic bag then it deserves to die out in biblical floods and wildfires.

This is the thing with the environment. Everybody cares about the environment, until it doesn't suit them!

HeidiHeidi

Horses and foxes and other wild(er) animals tend not to poo in the path of pedstrians, whereas an awful lot of dogs do - leading to it getting dragged around the place and home on shoes/buggy wheels etc.


If a dog takes itself off into the depths of a bush to do its business, then fair play and leave it there by all means. If it chooses to poo in the path of pedestrians/runners/bikes, then clean it up ffs.

ETA - since I mentioned horses, someone is bound to bring up the matter of horses around Dublin city - and yes, they should be cleaned up after as well, absolutely!

Graces7

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Horses and foxes and other wild(er) animals tend not to poo in the path of pedstrians, whereas an awful lot of dogs do - leading to it getting dragged around the place and home on shoes/buggy wheels etc.


If a dog takes itself off into the depths of a bush to do its business, then fair play and leave it there by all means. If it chooses to poo in the path of pedestrians/runners/bikes, then clean it up ffs.

ETA - since I mentioned horses, someone is bound to bring up the matter of horses around Dublin city - and yes, they should be cleaned up after as well, absolutely![/QUOTE]

The jaunting car horses in Killarney wear " nappies"....

bilbot79

Graces7 wrote: »

Please look up " diseases dog faeces"? eg "diseases from dogs/HEALTH 24

It is the faeces of carnivores that is dangerous. Not of horses; we used to put that on gardens.

Noone here is advocating leaving bags of it around but not leaving the dirt in public places either

Bag it, bring it home.

Yet I never heard of a single person in my whole life coming to harm because of it. Not one.

A single use plastic bag....for every single poop??? I'm sorry, that just isn't normal

em_cat

bilbot79 wrote: »

Yet I never heard of a single person in my whole life coming to harm because of it. Not one.

A single use plastic bag....for every single poop??? I'm sorry, that just isn't normal

Just because you’ve not personally experienced someone whose gotten sick because of dog dirt doesn’t make it a health warning conspiracy, it is a danger despite your anecdotal posts.

I do know of people who’ve contracted gastrointestinal distress because of handling it, claiming that people shouldn’t pick it up due to environmental concerns is irrelevant as the risk outweighs the benefit in this situation.

JustAThought

it’d be nice if the councils would stop removing bins and make it easy for people out walking to out all of their refuse in bins. Which reminds me I have a few triangles of glass and flattened rusty beer cans to put in a bin from my walk today - of course far more immediately dangerous and omnipresent but that won’t stop the haters.

Graces7

bilbot79 wrote: »

Yet I never heard of a single person in my whole life coming to harm because of it. Not one.

A single use plastic bag....for every single poop??? I'm sorry, that just isn't normal

Did you read the site? eg toxicaris? So unless YOU see it it does not exist?

Please define normal? So what is your solution?

bilbot79

Graces7 wrote: »

Did you read the site? eg toxicaris? So unless YOU see it it does not exist?

Please define normal? So what is your solution?

The solution is anything that doesn't involve plastic bags, or only allowing biodegradable bags whatever the cost to the consumer. Maybe the council could even hire someone to clean it up in one go in every park.

I do acknowledge the diseases it can carry but that's a no brainer anyway, Mother Nature made it smell bad for a reason.

However the problem solved by plastic bags is not a health problem, it's a cleanliness problem. Streets and parks littered with poo look dirty and disgusting and this is where average folks start to turn a blind eye to the environmental impact, even if they care about the environment.

The poo bags are ultimately a matter of convenience. An easy, convenient solution to the problem of dirty, disgusting streets with the health banner hanging over it to justify the plastic bags.

I would gladly pay a little more tax to hire a cleaner for public parks to shift it.

Hannibal_Smith

The poo bags were introduced because children were being harmed. There were stories of children in playgrounds in the 90s I think of children falling next to it or coming into contact with it and going blind.

I get that that plastic is the big bad wolf atm, and if there is an alternative I'm sure dog owners would gladly use it, but they were introduced for a good reason.

My old boss used to chuck it into a bush. Couldn't believe it when we told her it was gross and that she was supposed to hold on to it and chuck it in a bin.

bilbot79

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

The poo bags were introduced because children were being harmed. There were stories of children in playgrounds in the 90s I think of children falling next to it or coming into contact with it and going blind.

This is what I heard too but I never knew of anyone who it actually happened too and I imagine it was incredibly rare.

Hannibal_Smith

bilbot79 wrote: »

This is what I heard too but I never knew of anyone who it actually happened too and I imagine it was incredibly rare.

I know plenty of smokers, none of whom have lung cancer. But i still believe there's a connection between the two.

Im not googling it because I'm ewting my breakfast but either look at the link that Grace posted or have a quick google yourself maybe?

Graces7

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I know plenty of smokers, none of whom have lung cancer. But i still believe there's a connection between the two.

Im not googling it because I'm ewting my breakfast but either look at the link that Grace posted or have a quick google yourself maybe?

None so blind as those who won't look... :rolleyes:

gmisk

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

The poo bags were introduced because children were being harmed. There were stories of children in playgrounds in the 90s I think of children falling next to it or coming into contact with it and going blind.

I get that that plastic is the big bad wolf atm, and if there is an alternative I'm sure dog owners would gladly use it, but they were introduced for a good reason.

My old boss used to chuck it into a bush. Couldn't believe it when we told her it was gross and that she was supposed to hold on to it and chuck it in a bin.

There is an alternative...there are biodegradable bags. Single use plastic dog poo bags should be banned imo

blackbox

gmisk wrote: »

There is an alternative...there are biodegradable bags. Single use plastic dog poo bags should be banned imo

I can't see there being much demand for multiple use poo bags!

gmisk

blackbox wrote: »

I can't see there being much demand for multiple use poo bags!

You know what I meant lol I meant non biodegradable bags

JPCN1

JPCN1 wrote: »

While you can never condone littering it would help if the councils could put bins in parks but that seems to beyond their capabilities.

JustAThought wrote: »

it’d be nice if the councils would stop removing bins and make it easy for people out walking to out all of their refuse in bins. Which reminds me I have a few triangles of glass and flattened rusty beer cans to put in a bin from my walk today - of course far more immediately dangerous and omnipresent but that won’t stop the haters.

We have a small local park (D12) which is very popular with dog owners. When the council removed the bin at the main road entrance to the park, a certain number of dog owners just dumped the bags of poo in the corner of the park near where the bin had been. Literally a big pile of poo bags on the grass.

Later the council added a new bin at a different entrance which was not the main road so I'm guessing they took the old one away as people were using it for household waste.

But some people are STILL dumping their poo bags at the other entrance, presumably too lazy to walk the 200 metres over to the other bin.

These are the kind of people you're dealing with on this issue, pure disgusting and selfish.

charlietheminxx

In the past week, both myself and my partner have (on separate occasions) stepped in another dog's poo while cleaning up after our own. It's so disgusting and frustrating when we always clean up after ours.

I got nice scented biodegradeable bags on Amazon, 750 of them for 20 quid (including 2 handy dispensers) and they are brilliant. There are no public bins on our usual route but I always either walk further to get to one, or just bring it home and put it in our own bin. It's just a basic level of responsibility as a dog owner.

bilbot79

charlietheminxx wrote: »

In the past week, both myself and my partner have (on separate occasions) stepped in another dog's poo while cleaning up after our own. It's so disgusting and frustrating when we always clean up after ours.

I got nice scented biodegradeable bags on Amazon, 750 of them for 20 quid (including 2 handy dispensers) and they are brilliant. There are no public bins on our usual route but I always either walk further to get to one, or just bring it home and put it in our own bin. It's just a basic level of responsibility as a dog owner.

Those bags likely don't biodegrade until they are disposed of in a special way. The government needs to step in and create a system where these plastic bags go to the right place for proper biodegradation

charlietheminxx

bilbot79 wrote: »

Those bags likely don't biodegrade until they are disposed of in a special way. The government needs to step in and create a system where these plastic bags go to the right place for proper biodegradation

I am doing my best with the options I have. What do you suggest people do in the meantime?