Miami Showband Massacre

Whelo79

Confirmation has been released of British collusion as was always suspected

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/01/24/news/mod-documents-link-robert-niarac-linked-to-miami-showband-massacre-1823416/

10000maniacs

I remember as a kid seeing the story break on John Craven's Newsround. Obviously sanitized for younger viewers but still shocking.

tdf7187

80% of this forum don't want to hear about this, or will find a way to blame Sinn Fein.

ILoveYourVibes

tdf7187 wrote: »

80% of this forum don't want to hear about this, or will find a way to blame Sinn Fein.

I don't blame sf.

I didn't want it to be true.

Its painful for many.

But it is true. Sadly. And we need to unpack it.

But we need to unpack it in a way that is not hijacked by people with an agenda.

Also we and the victims deserve an apology from the UK govt and all involved.

biko

I'm glad this comes to light finally, even though many have suspected this all along.

biko

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But we need to unpack it in a way that is not hijacked by people with an agenda.

What does this even mean?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Also we and the victims deserve an apology from the UK govt and all involved.

I fail to see why you deserve an apology. Or do you mean the Irish nation?

Eric Cartman

Nice to have confirmation which hopefully provides some closure to the families and the surviving member.

Usually I abhore the actions of sinn fein / ira but seeing the soldier was killed by them in 77 and his body never found did put a little smirk on my face

McMurphy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nice to have confirmation which hopefully provides some closure to the families and the surviving member.

Usually I abhore the actions of sinn fein / ira but seeing the soldier was killed by them in 77 and his body never found did put a little smirk on my face

There were actually posters on this site went toe to toe with me because I had said I had no sympathy for Nairiacs plight.

end of the road

we all knew this was the case of course but it's still nice to have it confirmed.

horsebox1977

The Toadman wrote: »

First I've hear of Nairac. Nice to know he met a brutal end.

Put through a mincer in South Armagh. The poor little mite.

Water John

The first people to be thought of are those that survived and the families of those that didn't.

careless sherpa

The Toadman wrote: »

First I've hear of Nairac. Nice to know he met a brutal end.

Is surprising he managed to last as long as he did. He went into the three steps bar and put in a fake Belfast accent and started asking questions. Was abducted by locals within minutes and then faced a few questions

Whelo79

careless sherpa wrote: »

Is surprising he managed to last as long as he did. He went into the three steps bar and put in a fake Belfast accent and started asking questions. Was abducted by locals within minutes and then faced a few questions

This wasn't a one off, he had done this countless times. He was even up singing rebel songs. The man is suspected of being in charge of many British led atrocities up the North. When confirmation like this is coming out and you look at incidents like Loughisland, Bloody Sunday etc etc you wonder were the IRA actually a necessity up there in order to protect Catholics.

Catholics originally welcomed the British army into Belfast, they cheered them down the streets with cups of tea and biscuits as they thought they were there to protect them from the suffering they had endured from the RUC. That opinion quickly changed.

Boxcar_Willie

horsebox1977 wrote: »

Put through a mincer in South Armagh. The poor little mite.

Then fed to pigs .

The Satanist

Britain is a terrorist state.

Odhinn

The Satanist wrote: »

Britain is a terrorist state.

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

Lemming

Odhinn wrote: »

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

Not to detract from the sentiment of your post, but that pretty much describes empires as a general rule of thumb. The British empire was not unique in that regard; a high-achiever (if you will) in the infliction-of-misery stakes, but not unique.

Odhinn

Lemming wrote: »

Not to detract from the sentiment of your post, but that pretty much describes empires as a general rule of thumb. The British empire was not unique in that regard; a high-achiever (if you will) in the infliction-of-misery stakes, but not unique.

Alas you are correct on that. There is also the same tendency to romantacise elements of it, while burying others.

smurgen

Whelo79 wrote: »

This wasn't a one off, he had done this countless times. He was even up singing rebel songs. The man is suspected of being in charge of many British led atrocities up the North. When confirmation like this is coming out and you look at incidents like Loughisland, Bloody Sunday etc etc you wonder were the IRA actually a necessity up there in order to protect Catholics.

Catholics originally welcomed the British army into Belfast, they cheered them down the streets with cups of tea and biscuits as they thought they were there to protect them from the suffering they had endured from the RUC. That opinion quickly changed.

Remember when RTE done a prime time special about him in 2017 more or less portraying him as an innocent victim and exonorating him of wrong doing?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scientist-provides-evidence-exonerating-robert-nairac-of-troubles-killings-1.3069263

MrAbyss

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but seeing the soldier was killed by them in 77 and his body never found did put a little smirk on my face

Hopefully they played Showband songs really loud while torturing him to death. I think Quintin Tarantino should make a movie of it. Him being castrated to the stirring chorus of Do The Hucklebuck.

You know you wanna see this.

Junkyard Tom

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when RTE done a prime time special about him in 2017 more or less portraying him as an innocent victim and exonorating him of wrong doing?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scientist-provides-evidence-exonerating-robert-nairac-of-troubles-killings-1.3069263

I wonder how many British agents we have in places of influence in Ireland.

The Satanist

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I wonder how many British agents we have in places of influence in Ireland.

We should have a Garda investigation into it.


Oh wait....

Stovepipe

Given that two of the killers were already members of the British military, collusion already existed. I suspect the late Nairac is being tied to this killing as a way of tidying up loose ends. He will probably also be blamed, now that he is safely dead, for every single unsolved killing of a Catholic right up to the estimated date of his death, so as to close a few files and bury the past. Apart from that, anyone on this thread who wished him a cruel death and an even crueller fate thereafter needs to have a close look at themselves.

ILoveYourVibes

biko wrote: »

What does this even mean?

I fail to see why you deserve an apology. Or do you mean the Irish nation?

Well i don't usually refer to myself as 'we'.

We need to unpack this.

Meaning we need to dissect this.

Analyze it.

Understand the details.

How far up the chain of UK authority did it go etc? Where govt cabinet members involved? If so they need to apologize too.

ILoveYourVibes

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I wonder how many British agents we have in places of influence in Ireland.

Not sure. Define places of influence.

They are there though.

suicide_circus

Odhinn wrote: »

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

it's impossible to deny that statement. but had some country not reached that level of hegemony, how retarded would mankind have been technologically ? i'm obviously not supportive of the unspeakable violence done by the british empire and the suffering that resulted but in terms of world history, if it wasnt them, it was probably gonna be someone else and there were dividends.

wmahcm

Odhinn wrote: »

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

Provos loved to do the same and blow up women and kids out shopping.

Fann Linn

suicide_circus wrote: »

it's impossible to deny that statement. but had some country not reached that level of hegemony, how retarded would mankind have been technologically ? i'm obviously not supportive of the unspeakable violence done by the british empire and the suffering that resulted but in terms of world history, if it wasnt them, it was probably gonna be someone else and there were dividends.

Life of Brian territory in that last sentence.

suicide_circus

Fann Linn wrote: »

Life of Brian territory in that last sentence.

sure yes. had i lost my father in the troubles i wouldn't be able to view it with a cold objective eye, i get that.

Junkyard Tom

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Define places of influence.

Media, politics, civil service and so on.

smurgen

wmahcm wrote: »

Provos loved to do the same and blow up women and kids out shopping.

So start a thread about them.this is a thread about British terrorists.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Media, politics, civil service and so on.

And under the bed no doubt, Senator McCarthy.

Odhinn

suicide_circus wrote: »

it's impossible to deny that statement. but had some country not reached that level of hegemony, how retarded would mankind have been technologically ? i'm obviously not supportive of the unspeakable violence done by the british empire and the suffering that resulted but in terms of world history, if it wasnt them, it was probably gonna be someone else and there were dividends.

Or - How advanced would (eg India) have become were it not subjugated to the Empire? There was indeed plunder to be had, and its quite possible some other power would have done much the same, but as it stands the British were the most successful of the plunderers and must be judged on what they did, not what some other actor may have done.

Odhinn

wmahcm wrote: »

Provos loved (.................)shopping.

There was a provo empire? Fascinating Captain.

careless sherpa

Stovepipe wrote: »

Given that two of the killers were already members of the British military, collusion already existed. I suspect the late Nairac is being tied to this killing as a way of tidying up loose ends. He will probably also be blamed, now that he is safely dead, for every single unsolved killing of a Catholic right up to the estimated date of his death, so as to close a few files and bury the past. Apart from that, anyone on this thread who wished him a cruel death and an even crueller fate thereafter needs to have a close look at themselves.

Is well known that he was heavily involved in the activities of the glennane gang. He deserved his fate

alastair

horsebox1977 wrote: »

Put through a mincer in South Armagh. The poor little mite.

No he wasn’t. He was shot in Louth and his body was buried, then subsequently moved, by the IRA. The whole mincer business was always guff.

The Independent Commission for the Location of Victims' Remains supposedly had evidence that Niac was out of the north when the Miami Showband massacre happened, so either they were given false documentation, or this new evidence needs to be cross referenced with theirs.

James Brown

People tend to forget the victims behind all the political point scoring. Very messy when the public were mixed up in a conflict were the sides weren't clear or agreed upon.

alastair

alastair wrote: »

No he wasn’t. He was shot in Louth and his body was buried, then subsequently moved, by the IRA. The whole mincer business was always guff.

The Independent Commission for the Location of Victims' Remains supposedly had evidence that Niac was out of the north when the Miami Showband massacre happened, so either they were given false documentation, or this new evidence needs to be cross referenced with theirs.

From what i have read, there is no suggestion that he was involved in the actual attack, only that he had helped to plan it.

alastair

Aegir wrote: »

From what i have read, there is no suggestion that he was involved in the actual attack, only that he had helped to plan it.

The suggestion is that the ‘clipped English accent Officer’ was him.

tdf7187

Odhinn wrote: »

Considering their activities over the centuries, from this to the Dublin-monaghan bombings, to the atrocities in Kenya and Aden, in Asia, The middle east and Africa, thats a bit of an understatement. An evil empire based primarily on violence and repression, sowing division wherever it went.

They're our nearest neighbour and Brexit or not will continue to be.

Their ancestors did dreadful things in Ireland in the past and in other countries, but I'm really not cool with your type of extremism and I don't think it does you any good. We have more in common with them than you'd like to admit.

tdf7187

Odhinn wrote: »

There was a provo empire? Fascinating Captain.

If you believe the late Seamus Mallon, there was and still is a provo empire. Obviously, that does not excuse the Brits terroristic and illegal activities in Ireland. See, it's possible to condemn both, strange to relate.

maccored

alastair wrote: »

No he wasn’t. He was shot in Louth and his body was buried, then subsequently moved, by the IRA. The whole mincer business was always guff.

The Independent Commission for the Location of Victims' Remains supposedly had evidence that Niac was out of the north when the Miami Showband massacre happened, so either they were given false documentation, or this new evidence needs to be cross referenced with theirs.

He was apparently 'on leave'. Easy enough to pretend he was leaving the area - the man was a liar by nature

maccored

tdf7187 wrote: »

If you believe the late Seamus Mallon, there was and still is a provo empire. Obviously, that does not excuse the Brits terroristic and illegal activities in Ireland. See, it's possible to condemn both, strange to relate.

Whenever you have supporting evidence to back up the claim, do let us all know.

tdf7187

maccored wrote: »

Whenever you have supporting evidence to back up the claim, do let us all know.

Will you get real. Who do you think did the Northern Bank robbery? Diesel laundering? The spying operation on Harcourt Street? Etc, etc, etc.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0927/339292-two-arrested-over-surveillance-of-garda-station/

maccored

tdf7187 wrote: »

Will you get real. Who do you think did the Northern Bank robbery? Diesel laundering? The spying operation on Harcourt Street? Etc, etc, etc.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0927/339292-two-arrested-over-surveillance-of-garda-station/

northern bank robbery? the one the RUC and the brits did?

Dont think the provos done the diesel laundering - I'd say that's locals on the border. if you dont want smuggling, dont invent a border out of nowhere.

Harcourt st were dissidents were they not? Have you anything as supporting evidence that there 'still is a provo empire' or is this just all complete and utter bollocks? (nevermind the bank robbery was almost two decades ago)

tdf7187

maccored wrote: »

northern bank robbery? the one the RUC and the brits did?

Can you provide some evidence for this assertion?

maccored

tdf7187 wrote: »

Can you provide some evidence for this assertion?

The only money found linked directly to the robbery, bar the laundered money in cork (which had no links to the provos)> this though IS linked to the RUC. I'd say as a payoff.

Also, at that particular time, Trimble was to meet SF and was having a hard time convincing his party of doing the same. Then - boom - bank robbery. no need for David to worry anymore.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/money-found-at-belfast-club-from-northern-bank-1.1296929

Police said the money was thought to have been planted in a bid to divert attention from the crisis engulfing the IRA and Sinn Fein following the seizure of more than £2 million by Irish police investigating an alleged major IRA money laundering operation.

from the article - as if SF or the provos are going to smuggle themselves into a high security RUC complex. If they could put 50 grand there, they could have put a load of semtex

KWAG2019

Only the utterly naive or the West Brit contingent should regard British and unionist activity in Ireland as being beneficial to this country. The Brits have to be worked with but never trusted. The full details of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings are needed in public now.

tdf7187

maccored wrote: »

The only money found linked directly to the robbery, bar the laundered money in cork (which had no links to the provos)> this though IS linked to the RUC. I'd say as a payoff.

Also, at that particular time, Trimble was to meet SF and was having a hard time convincing his party of doing the same. Then - boom - bank robbery. no need for David to worry anymore.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/money-found-at-belfast-club-from-northern-bank-1.1296929

from the article - as if SF or the provos are going to smuggle themselves into a high security RUC complex. If they could put 50 grand there, they could have put a load of semtex

By your own admission, you are speculating. On your last point, this was 2002-2004. The Provos were in ceasefire, had been for years. They weren't going to put a load of semtex in a high security RUC complex, ffs.

I admit I can't prove the NBR job was a Provo job, but equally on your side, you can't prove to my satisfaction that it was an RUC job. We both support a united Ireland so let's agree to differ.

horsebox1977

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Only the utterly naive or the West Brit contingent should regard British and unionist activity in Ireland as being beneficial to this country. The Brits have to be worked with but never trusted. The full details of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings are needed in public now.

And you won't get these under a FG government.

They were complicit in it anyway.

tdf7187

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Only the utterly naive or the West Brit contingent should regard British and unionist activity in Ireland as being beneficial to this country. The Brits have to be worked with but never trusted.

Fight your war on our neighbouring island on your own, I'm not interested, and thankfully neither are 90% of the populace.

KWAG2019 wrote: »

The full details of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings are needed in public now.

Best ask Senator McDowell, lol, IIRC it was when he was Min for Justice that certain files disappeared. Maybe sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie.