Fianna Fail promises 100,000 houses in 5 years

10000maniacs

Holy crap, Fianna Fail are not even back in power and they are on a promise to do their famous party trick and put the country back into receivership.
30 billion over five years. :eek:
If senior management bankrupted a company, would you give them a second chance 10 years later? No you wouldn't. So why do it with a whole country.
People have very short memories of how this party made a lot of people suffer. They didn't give a bo**ox about their reckless behaviour 10 years ago, had no shame and have no remorse to this day. They blamed the whole thing on world events and took absolutely no responsibility. OMG! we are fcuked.

Idbatterim

100,000 houses ?! Are they offering magic beans too ?

tabby aspreme

They'll have to be a big tent in Punchestown in April, with just a 5 year time span they won't be able to wait till Galway in August

Seth Brundle

Once they build these houses, those commuters won't have a decent & sustainable way of getting to work...

Seth Brundle wrote: »

FFs Jim OCallahan apparently made these comments on RTÉ Radio Saturday regarding BusConnects.
He and John Lahart have previous called for the metro alignment to be altered and this weekend Cllr Conroy reaffirmed that wish.

https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1219188968689893376

blanch152

https://www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/home-truths-big-time-housing-promises-without-taxes-are-hollow-38868165.html


"If you're being asked to vote for a build-and-hold solution for social housing, understand that this involves a requirement for more tax to fund it, or else the cash must taken from somewhere else, like health or education. If someone doorsteps you and says otherwise, then tell them out flat that they're a liar. Pants blazing and boxers a-flaming fairy tales.

But if it's you that expects a new government to promise to build those social houses, but without you coughing up any more tax to get it done; then you're the one with the delusions.

And you deserve all the promise-everything /fix-nothing governments that you get."

Excellent article from Mark Keenan that exposes all of the issues with the promises being made by Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail in respect of housing.

Sonics2k

Holy crap, my time machine worked!

Eric Cartman

100,000 social houses, time to get in to the trampoline and lager sales business

Winning_Stroke

Fully costed with a detailed plan, I'm sure.... *cough*

10000maniacs

Sonics2k wrote: »

Holy crap, my time machine worked!

Yeah it's like the last 10 years never happened. Ireland is one big goldfish bowl.
I would recommend people put more Omega 3 in their diet to help with memory issues.

Assetbacked

100,000 in five years is not enough. That's 20,000 per year when we need at least 30,000 per year for the next ten years! Unless they plan on disincentivising the creation of more jobs in Ireland during the building of these 100,000 houses, this needs to be more ambitious.

ednwireland

Idbatterim wrote: »

100,000 houses ?! Are they offering magic beans too ?

where do i sign up for the magic beans ? also id like a magic money tree that all the parties seem to have

Assetbacked

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/home-truths-big-time-housing-promises-without-taxes-are-hollow-38868165.html


"If you're being asked to vote for a build-and-hold solution for social housing, understand that this involves a requirement for more tax to fund it, or else the cash must taken from somewhere else, like health or education. If someone doorsteps you and says otherwise, then tell them out flat that they're a liar. Pants blazing and boxers a-flaming fairy tales.

But if it's you that expects a new government to promise to build those social houses, but without you coughing up any more tax to get it done; then you're the one with the delusions.

And you deserve all the promise-everything /fix-nothing governments that you get."

Excellent article from Mark Keenan that exposes all of the issues with the promises being made by Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail in respect of housing.

He is wrong and likes to see house prices rising perpetually, which would not happen if more homes were to finally be built.

More and more people require assistance from the government to pay their rent and this money comes from taxpayers. The fact Mark Keegan completely ignored the fact that the State can borrow at practically no cost on the international markets shows how off the mark he is, €422m of exchequer cash was made available to the HAP scheme in 2019.

thegetawaycar

They need to buy up 1/2 story buildings in the city centre and build up. Everyone wants to live in the city or at least it's limits, the only way this becomes possible is to build up inside the city.

Not 1 party will step in to get those who are being housed by the state out of the city centre if they don't need to be there, so the only option is much more higher density within the city limits so those people can walk, cycle etc... to work instead of miles out and adding to the transport chaos.

No point in building 6/7 floors in Cherrywood or Ballymun when there is not sufficient public transport to get the occupants in to the city centre.

ChikiChiki

Build like ****. It's needed. I'd rather that than the slow rate of FG building leading to bat**** crazy market prices both in property sales and rental markets. Also this is attracting vulture funds in to bulk buy of the plans.

People may actually be able to afford their own homes. Paddy should lay off the credit cards and PCP finance all the same.

jimmycrackcorm

How does FF propose to get around the nimby objections such as clonburis in West Dublin, homes for 8000 people.
FF councillors are at the forefront of objections.

lawred2

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Once they build these houses, those commuters won't have a decent & sustainable way of getting to work...


https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1219188968689893376

ah here - wtf

GhostyMcGhost

ednwireland wrote: »

where do i sign up for the magic beans ? also id like a magic money tree that all the parties seem to have

You are the money tree

They’ll shake and shake you until all your money comes out

4068ac1elhodqr

Just build a new city, somewhere out in the sticks, Russia is building one for 100,000 folks inside an old mine.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/architecture/a-warren-of-streets-eco-city-2020-2149826.html

China is building x285 new eco-cities. UAE is building a new sustainable city from nothing, 17miles outside Dubai.
India is building a 217km2 carbon-neutral city (Amaravati) with 1kmx5.5km green-spine (designed by Foster+) with mixed usage https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/amaravati-india-sustainable-city/index.html
Farmers have been given incentives to hand over their land towards the project which is already underway.

A new city will alleviate all current congestion and demand for many years to come.

BENDYBINN

We don’t need houses....haven’t people got tents!
My god this could cause the rent to decrease on my seven properties.Disgraceful!

Cordell

Idbatterim wrote: »

100,000 houses ?! Are they offering magic beans too ?

They would have offered magic mushrooms but apparently they ran out of those.

eagle eye

10000maniacs wrote:

Holy crap, Fianna Fail are not even back in power and they are on a promise to do their famous party trick and put the country back into receivership. 30 billion over five years. If senior management bankrupted a company, would you give them a second chance 10 years later? No you wouldn't. So why do it with a whole country. People have very short memories of how this party made a lot of people suffer. They didn't give a bo**ox about their reckless behaviour 10 years ago, had no shame and have no remorse to this day. They blamed the whole thing on world events and took absolutely no responsibility. OMG! we are fcuked.

Don't go the for them, vote independent.

Fine Gael are just as bad. You'd be insane to vote for them, FF, SF, Labour or Greens.
If we get enough independents in then we might see a new party formed that would have the best interests of people as their agenda.

lawred2

eagle eye wrote: »

Don't go the for them, vote independent.

Fine Gael are just as bad. You'd be insane to vote for them, FF, SF, Labour or Greens.
If we get enough independents in then we might see a new party formed that would have the best interests of people as their agenda.

yeah like Zappone, Halligan and Shane Ross..

they've been the business

mdmix

10000maniacs wrote: »

Holy crap, Fianna Fail are not even back in power and they are on a promise to do their famous party trick and put the country back into receivership.
30 billion over five years. :eek:
If senior management bankrupted a company, would you give them a second chance 10 years later? No you wouldn't. So why do it with a whole country.
People have very short memories of how this party made a lot of people suffer. They didn't give a bo**ox about their reckless behaviour 10 years ago, had no shame and have no remorse to this day. They blamed the whole thing on world events and took absolutely no responsibility. OMG! we are fcuked.

There were 18000 home completions last year, over 5 years they are not exactly promising a lot, there would actually be 150000 homes needed over the next 5 years

nkl12xtw5goz70

10000maniacs wrote: »

Holy crap, Fianna Fail are not even back in power and they are on a promise to do their famous party trick and put the country back into receivership.
30 billion over five years. :eek:

100,000 houses for €30 billion is €300,000 per house. It should not cost €300,000 for one social housing unit.

Eric Cartman

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

How does FF propose to get around the nimby objections such as clonburis in West Dublin, homes for 8000 people.
FF councillors are at the forefront of objections.

details on this ? Ive already asked the council if theres likely to be any planning guidelines on whats allowed in the retail units, going to get an offo, pub and bookies trifecta ac close to the post office as I can. If I cant get the dole to stop giving all of them money, i may aswell take all of their money.

TuringBot47

10000maniacs wrote: »

Fianna Fail promises 100,000 houses in 5 years

They promise 100,000 houses... doesn't say they're new houses.
They probably mean they'll support the vulture funds to evict the 100,000 non-paying mortgage holders and free up housing stock.

Abel Ruiz

Junior Jolly Redhead wrote: »

100,000 houses for €30 billion is €300,000 per house. It should not cost €300,000 for one social housing unit.

Oi, don't you dare question FF promises!!!!

Their numbers sound lovely, 100k, 30b, 5years.
What could go wrong??????

pjohnson

BENDYBINN wrote: »

We don’t need houses....haven’t people got tents!
My god this could cause the rent to decrease on my seven properties.Disgraceful!

FG have the landlord vote sewn up anyway. Last thing any landlord wants it the housing market addressed.

enricoh

Junior Jolly Redhead wrote: »

100,000 houses for €30 billion is €300,000 per house. It should not cost €300,000 for one social housing unit.

A mate of mine is working in a housing development nearby. The social housing/ cluid / various charities houses cost a third more to build that those for sale to the public.
They have way better spec (some of which is to avoid potential compo payouts!) Than people who actually pay for their own!
Absolute madness , n all parties promise more!

893bet

Assetbacked wrote: »

100,000 in five years is not enough. That's 20,000 per year when we need at least 30,000 per year for the next ten years! Unless they plan on disincentivising the creation of more jobs in Ireland during the building of these 100,000 houses, this needs to be more ambitious.

These houses are not for people with jobs.

2020Vision

lawred2 wrote: »

yeah like Zappone, Halligan and Shane Ross..

they've been the business

Not forgetting The Boxer Moron and Doofus from Waterford! (in the same week that the election was announced, The Boxer let slip that he couldn't stand Shane Ross - coincidence or wha?)!

nkl12xtw5goz70

893bet wrote: »

These houses are not for people with jobs.

He means that jobs will be provided by way of building the houses — bricklayers, plumbers, etc.

But the country is already at full employment, so it's a massive Keynesian stimulus program for Eastern Europe.

eagle eye

2020Vision wrote:

Not forgetting The Boxer Moron and Doofus from Waterford! (in the same week that the election was announced, The Boxer let slip that he couldn't stand Shane Ross - coincidence or wha?)!

The Boxer is highly thought of in his constituency. He is guaranteed to get back in.

KrustyUCC

Not just Fianna Fail

Social Democrats pledge 100,000 houses in five years

https://www.rte.ie/news/campaign-daily/2020/0121/1109830-social-democrats-housing/

Will be interesting to see how many social houses FG will promise

It will definitely be close to the 100,000 figure

Junkyard Tom

893bet wrote: »

These houses are not for people with jobs.

That's a huge problem that needs to be addressed. Social housing should not be a golden ticket - people who don't pay their rent, cause trouble, make a mess should be out on their ears.

Also, I'm presuming, the €16bn doesn't need to be paid back like a mortgage and can be paid back over a longer timespan rather than the life of the occupants. Also the €16bn doesn't disappear - it generates economic activity locally.

Seeing social housing as a liability rather than an asset is deeply ideological 'if someone isn't making a profit in the here-and-now then it's not viable' - nobody would say the same of a public road.

Assetbacked

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Not just Fianna Fail

Social Democrats pledge 100,000 houses in five years

https://www.rte.ie/news/campaign-daily/2020/0121/1109830-social-democrats-housing/

Will be interesting to see how many social houses FG will promise

It will definitely be close to the 100,000 figure

FG don't build social houses. They have backed the market to deliver the requisite supply. As such, their policy is likely to involve promises to stimulate the market further rather than having the State fund the development of social housing. This, as a policy, is a failure.

dubrov

Where are FF going to get all these builders from?

The construction industry is at full throttle already (although capacity is slowly growing). 100,000 government built house will likely result in 100,000 less houses being built in the private sector

nkl12xtw5goz70

dubrov wrote: »

Where are FF going to get all these builders from?

Poland.

SeeMoreBut

Why don't FF come out with we will slash house prices by around half like we did the last time we were in power

KrustyUCC

True that

That policy isn't working for them though so they will def need to commit to building social or affordable housing

Personally I'd prefer it to be weighted to affordable housing rather than social housing

Assetbacked

dubrov wrote: »

Where are FF going to get all these builders from?

The construction industry is at full throttle already (although capacity is slowly growing). 100,000 government built house will likely result in 100,000 less houses being built in the private sector

But at least it would be a better investment than pumping rental assistance to those 100,000 houses.

BENDYBINN

pjohnson wrote: »

FG have the landlord vote sewn up anyway. Last thing any landlord wants it the housing market addressed.

Exactly,more houses mean rent decreases.....we don’t want that
We’ll just continue riding the young people for every last penny..

enricoh

Junior Jolly Redhead wrote: »

Poland.

No chance, Polands economy is going well. An engineering crowd has lost a good few polish lads in the last year heading home. The boss man was saying they won't pay the rents here anymore n cost of living to high here for them.

Idbatterim

want to provide masses of housing, want to delay decades over due public transport improvement again! They are all against mid and high rise in central dublin. I disconnected my doorbell yesterday, I wouldnt give those wasters and morons a second of my time! These people now looking for your votes, they are the problem! What have they spent the last few years doing? looking to block development, bus connects, dublin metro!

with bus connects, some people might lose a bif of their front garden, boo hoo! How much do you use your front garden? I have zero sympathy, unless they lost the ability to park in their front garden. They say you cant make an omelette without breaking eggs, well we have the opposite here with Irish politicians, you cant get anything done, when you wont touch anything!

Endless public consultations, plan, then bang recession and its all scrapped again. Redesign the wheel from scratch at the next upswing! I really wonder though, do we the electorate actually deserve the S**t we are served?

Wanderer78

10000maniacs wrote:

Holy crap, Fianna Fail are not even back in power and they are on a promise to do their famous party trick and put the country back into receivership. 30 billion over five years. If senior management bankrupted a company, would you give them a second chance 10 years later? No you wouldn't. So why do it with a whole country. People have very short memories of how this party made a lot of people suffer. They didn't give a bo**ox about their reckless behaviour 10 years ago, had no shame and have no remorse to this day. They blamed the whole thing on world events and took absolutely no responsibility. OMG! we are fcuked.

Again, it was the banks that over lent and were effectively bankrupt, the public funds weren't too bad, with us running regular surpluses

Idbatterim

TuringBot47 wrote: »

They promise 100,000 houses... doesn't say they're new houses.
They probably mean they'll support the vulture funds to evict the 100,000 non-paying mortgage holders and free up housing stock.

no, they will buy up private stock, competing against workers! Genius! Their only concern is to be looking like they are doing a job and trying to maintain or decrease homeless and housing figures.

Idbatterim

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

Why don't FF come out with we will slash house prices by around half like we did the last time we were in power

good idea. Prices will increase when they are back in, collapse after they have busted us again! Start saving lads and wait for the crash if they get in!

dubrov

Junior Jolly Redhead wrote: »

Poland.

Private companies are trying to hire builders from much further than Polan with little success. Why would FF be some much better at attracting workers?

Also, if FF are saying they can build houses for 300k each now, the final bill is likely to be 600k+.

Ulysses Gaze

Ah good old Fianna Fail...when it comes to how they run and ultimately ruin an economy, they are nothing if not consistent.

2020Vision

eagle eye wrote: »

The Boxer is highly thought of in his constituency. He is guaranteed to get back in.

I don't doubt it. Although whether that's good news for the country or otherwise is open to debate!

For me, the fact that it took him over four years to realise that Shane Ross is a complete pain in the backside suggests that he may not be the brightest resident of Longford-Westmeath!

is_that_so

SF were in with that daft idea first! You can see what FF are up to, stealing their thunder on vote buying. They clearly view them as a threat.