SUNDAY 19th January

MaxBet

3.00 Ayr -
CASUAL CAVALIER 8/1 generally


Won one of these qualifiers at Newcastle off a pound higher on heavy ground in March . Ran ok over 2m lto so stepping back up here should suit and has figures at Ayr of 221221 going back to his first win here in January ‘17 . Capable 3lb claimer up today too .

RivetingRoger

If footpad doesn't win today then I give up
I love this horse
Really want him to return to himself

IAMAMORON

RivetingRoger wrote: »

If footpad doesn't win today then I give up
I love this horse
Really want him to return to himself

I don't lay horses too often, but I think this one is the lay of the day.

1) not a patch on the horse he was... now 2 years ago, nowhere near.
2) He is flat bred, Creachadoir was 2nd in an irish Guineas and is not known for producing NH horses which you might get 5 seasons out of.
3) The race he won before Christmas was a joke and a disgrace to the sport, nothing else tried a yard.
4) Real Steel looks more progressive
5) Voix de Reve could still be anything, a Grade 1 winner over distance in the last 12 months.
6) Hardline and Jetz will find easier opportunities, but if either were really trying I still wouldn't fancy Footpad anymore.

8/13 looks a total bookies benefit.

if it turns out that RS and VDR don't try a yard he has a squeak. But I wouldn't take the risk. Lay of the Day.

Looking forward to the next at Thurles. Hup Festival Dex.

RivetingRoger

Jesus that was disappointing from footpad

Hard to like him at any trip now

Shame

lemush

Far from his biggest fan think he’s quite overrated but Footpad needs genuine soft ground the ground today is of no use to him.

yaboya1

RivetingRoger wrote: »

If footpad doesn't win today then I give up
I love this horse
Really want him to return to himself

Given the (justified) stick the goat gets, I hope you'll stick to this
Pretty sure you won't though. That being the case what's the point in making these type of statements?

RivetingRoger

yaboya1 wrote: »

Given the (justified) stick the goat gets, I hope you'll stick to this
Pretty sure you won't though. That being the case what's the point in making these type of statements?

What are u on about

yaboya1

RivetingRoger wrote: »

What are u on about

I've already quoted it for you.
Your post states if footpad doesn't win today you'll give up.

Footpad didn't win, but you're not going to give up are you?

So again, what's the point of making statements like this when you've no intention of honouring them?

IAMAMORON

yaboya1 wrote: »

I've already quoted it for you.
Your post states if footpad doesn't win today you'll give up.

Footpad didn't win, but you're not going to give up are you?

So again, what's the point of making statements like this when you've no intention of honouring them?

No need to be a bitch about it, I think it was a turn of speech rather than a statement of fact.

RivetingRoger

yaboya1 wrote: »

I've already quoted it for you.
Your post states if footpad doesn't win today you'll give up.

Footpad didn't win, but you're not going to give up are you?

So again, what's the point of making statements like this when you've no intention of honouring them?

Who pissed in your cornflakes

yaboya1

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Who pissed in your cornflakes

I don't eat cornflakes.
No answer to the question then?

IAMAMORON

Another lovely touch for the bookies there in the last, 3/10 , niiiice. Should keep the wolf from the door for another while, easy enough game, who would be a punter?

The best one I heard today was that Paul Townend spoke with pundits this morning ( Jane Mangan I believe ) and said he would prefer to be on Footpad.

This is what we are up against.

lemush

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Another lovely touch for the bookies there in the last, 3/10 , niiiice. Should keep the wolf from the door for another while, easy enough game, who would be a punter?

The best one I heard today was that Paul Townend spoke with pundits this morning ( Jane Mangan I believe ) and said he would prefer to be on Footpad.

This is what we are up against.

Odds on shots get beat every day. Not sure what’s the big deal with Townends comments are, jockeys get it wrong all the time.

IAMAMORON

lemush wrote: »

Odds on shots get beat every day. Not sure what’s the big deal with Townends comments are, jockeys get it wrong all the time.

I don't think he should be allowed make such comments, particularly if he is riding the winner. It would be a lot more decent of him to say something like

" I am very happy with my mount and I am looking forward to the race " etc etc.

Or say nothing at all.

It is hard enough getting a few winners without having to deal with jockeys telling lies to reporters. That's the big deal.

lemush

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't think he should be allowed make such comments, particularly if he is riding the winner. It would be a lot more decent of him to say something like

" I am very happy with my mount and I am looking forward to the race " etc etc.

Or say nothing at all.

It is hard enough getting a few winners without having to deal with jockeys telling lies to reporters. That's the big deal.

I think he was asked for his opinion and gave it. Anyone who lets jockey or trainer comments affect their punting is gonna be in trouble, just take no notice.

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is hard enough getting a few winners without having to deal with jockeys telling lies to reporters. That's the big deal.

How do you know he's telling lies?

IAMAMORON

lemush wrote: »

I think he was asked for his opinion and gave it. Anyone who lets jockey or trainer comments affect their punting is gonna be in trouble, just take no notice.

I know and the beauty is that your right.

But it doesn't make him any less of a sleeveen, just saying.

Let it be a lesson to any punters who listen to a word out of that yard, it happens far too much.

IAMAMORON

yaboya1 wrote: »

How do you know he's telling lies?

I reckon they all are , especially the gang down in closutton.

They are getting their tongues ready for the previews next month. Winking away.

I heard they have a " spoof and waffle " jar in the kit room. Whoever gets away with the biggest lie gets to empty it each week. The winner comes from the shortest price turnover a week, but you have to be on it and you have to have talked it up pre race. True Story.

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I reckon they all are , especially the gang down in closutton.

They are getting their tongues ready for the previews next month. Winking away.

I heard they have a " spoof and waffle " jar in the kit room. Whoever gets away with the biggest lie gets to empty it each week. The winner comes from the shortest price turnover a week, but you have to be on it and you have to have talked it up pre race. True Story.

Haha, wouldn't argue with that
Generally the play for the preview nights is lay anything that has been talked up by the big Irish stables (Paul Nicholls is usually reliable, but a bit too bullish/biased towards his own horses. Honest though.). Try and find runners that either haven't been mentioned or had their chances belittled when they were.
Outside of that though I'm not sure the likes of Townend are consistently lying. If you'd asked him about the Gold Cup before the race last year he'd have likely said he'd rather be riding Bellshill.

Kauto

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I reckon they all are , especially the gang down in closutton.

They are getting their tongues ready for the previews next month. Winking away.

I heard they have a " spoof and waffle " jar in the kit room. Whoever gets away with the biggest lie gets to empty it each week. The winner comes from the shortest price turnover a week, but you have to be on it and you have to have talked it up pre race. True Story.

You certainly live up to your name.

Itziger

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I reckon they all are , especially the gang down in closutton.

They are getting their tongues ready for the previews next month. Winking away.

I heard they have a " spoof and waffle " jar in the kit room. Whoever gets away with the biggest lie gets to empty it each week. The winner comes from the shortest price turnover a week, but you have to be on it and you have to have talked it up pre race. True Story.

So back the other horse every time then.... Easy peasy.

RivetingRoger

Civil war on here today 🀣
To the lads having a pop at me, Moron and Slattsy......
Boo f*ckin hoo......

Hup hup

IAMAMORON

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Civil war on here today ��
To the lads having a pop at me, Moron and Slattsy......
Boo f*ckin hoo......

Hup hup

I am not fighting with no one Rog.

But I have no problems calling out shíttiness when I see it.

When a leading jockey from a leading stable is asked a straightforward question and doesn't give a straightforward answer, he is part of the corruption. It is that simple really.

His pals don't like to have that pointed out, so they come on throw a few " you wouldn't have a clue " blah blahs. They are just trying to keep on the right side of da chunts.

I don't have that problem, I have it easy that way.

But spoofing to journalists is a problem, anyone that defends it... is part of the same problem, how can I respect that?

spuddiesal

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't think he should be allowed make such comments, particularly if he is riding the winner. It would be a lot more decent of him to say something like

" I am very happy with my mount and I am looking forward to the race " etc etc.

Or say nothing at all.

It is hard enough getting a few winners without having to deal with jockeys telling lies to reporters. That's the big deal.

Maybe Footpad just had an off day?

spuddiesal

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't think he should be allowed make such comments, particularly if he is riding the winner. It would be a lot more decent of him to say something like

" I am very happy with my mount and I am looking forward to the race " etc etc.

Or say nothing at all.

It is hard enough getting a few winners without having to deal with jockeys telling lies to reporters. That's the big deal.

Maybe Footpad just had an off day?

WicklowBravee

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am not fighting with no one Rog.

But I have no problems calling out shíttiness when I see it.

When a leading jockey from a leading stable is asked a straightforward question and doesn't give a straightforward answer, he is part of the corruption. It is that simple really.

His pals don't like to have that pointed out, so they come on throw a few " you wouldn't have a clue " blah blahs. They are just trying to keep on the right side of da chunts.

I don't have that problem, I have it easy that way.

But spoofing to journalists is a problem, anyone that defends it... is part of the same problem, how can I respect that?

You’re really barking up the wrong tree here.

You’re accusing Townend of lying for saying before the race that he would, as any rational person would, prefer to ride the 8/11 favourite and suggesting he somehow knew the result of the race before it happened only because he won it on the 2/1 2nd favourite.

Banner2theend

Lads the big problem re Footpad is the trainer Willie Mullins, who said post-race yesterday that "he wasn't at his best today, as the King George took its toll" or something along those lines. I'm sorry but Footpad should not have run yesterday.

The King George was an absolute war of attrition and TBH, I was astounded that he was declared to run on Friday. Thought he was the lay of the century to be frank about it. Willie Mullins does not do much wrong, but that was an annus horribilis, not his finest hour moment re Footpad.

Paul Townend is not to blame at all here. It's Closutton who's at fault here. I repeat that the horse had a hell on earth, of all races in Kempton, the horse should not have run yesterday. He is flogging this horse to death unfortunately, which is sad for a horse that had so much potential and now seems a complete shadow of his former self.

Very surprised by Willie though. Finally was there a stewards report post-race?

NaiveMelodies

Holy jaysus.

The Mig

If only I was Mod

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am not fighting with no one Rog.

But I have no problems calling out shíttiness when I see it.

When a leading jockey from a leading stable is asked a straightforward question and doesn't give a straightforward answer, he is part of the corruption. It is that simple really.

His pals don't like to have that pointed out, so they come on throw a few " you wouldn't have a clue " blah blahs. They are just trying to keep on the right side of da chunts.

I don't have that problem, I have it easy that way.

But spoofing to journalists is a problem, anyone that defends it... is part of the same problem, how can I respect that?

But when bs is called out on certain posters here, their pals don't like it and there is a problem?

IAMAMORON

yaboya1 wrote: »

But when bs is called out on certain posters here, their pals don't like it and there is a problem?

The posters on here aren't influencing the price of horses. But jockeys who ride horses are, it is that simple. With that greatness comes responsibility, and I think a duty of care to punters. They can play it anyway they like, they can give their opinion, they can say nothing, they can say " To be honest journalist I haven't sat on him in the last two weeks but such and such said he was flying" etc etc.

But when you say that you would prefer to be on a horse ( that you are not actually retained to ride btw) and then go and beat it by 14 lengths ….. I think there is a problem.

Secondly, you were being a little bit of a bitch in fairness? Especially bringing it up again? But that was yesterday, I am still in love with you and the world today. I don't like to see posters getting isolated on this thread, we are all just trying to enjoy our racing, hopefully make some holiday money and talk some shight about it. It is what the game is all about.

Jockeys are great and they are fully entitled to have the inside knowledge and reap the benefits off it. But spoofing to punters is bollixing, that is all.

IAMAMORON

WicklowBravee wrote: »

You’re really barking up the wrong tree here.

You’re accusing Townend of lying for saying before the race that he would, as any rational person would, prefer to ride the 8/11 favourite and suggesting he somehow knew the result of the race before it happened only because he won it on the 2/1 2nd favourite.

He has no business passing comments on horses that he not even riding in the race. Especially given that he was more than likely on the horses back at some stage in the last few weeks. It is his job to inform his trainer how well the horse is going. That being the case and given he is in the game all his life, I don't buy or like 14 lengths on an 8/13 shot, particularly when he is announcing to the world he expects the opposite to happen. It stinks and it is lousy behaviour.

I respect that jockeys and stable staff and owners and connections and trainers and the bleeding drivers are entitled to winks, whispers and nods, everyone has to get by.... But misleading punters, I simply cannot and never will support.

Kauto

IAMAMORON wrote: »

He has no business passing comments on horses that he not even riding in the race. Especially given that he was more than likely on the horses back at some stage in the last few weeks. It is his job to inform his trainer how well the horse is going. That being the case and given he is in the game all his life, I don't buy or like 14 lengths on an 8/13 shot, particularly when he is announcing to the world he expects the opposite to happen. It stinks and it is lousy behaviour.

I respect that jockeys and stable staff and owners and connections and trainers and the bleeding drivers are entitled to winks, whispers and nods, everyone has to get by.... But misleading punters, I simply cannot and never will support.

You talk some drivel. It would be 1.01 that Townend would have ridden Footpad if he had the choice. A combination of good ground and a hard race in the KG contributed to his defeat.
They are a few high profile lads getting the best of info out of the stable and are nearly bust. So what does it matter what Townend does or doesnt say. It would have no effect on the market. Why dont you go with our own opinion and stop whinging.

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The posters on here aren't influencing the price of horses. But jockeys who ride horses are, it is that simple. With that greatness comes responsibility, and I think a duty of care to punters. They can play it anyway they like, they can give their opinion, they can say nothing, they can say " To be honest journalist I haven't sat on him in the last two weeks but such and such said he was flying" etc etc.

But when you say that you would prefer to be on a horse ( that you are not actually retained to ride btw) and then go and beat it by 14 lengths ….. I think there is a problem.

Secondly, you were being a little bit of a bitch in fairness? Especially bringing it up again? But that was yesterday, I am still in love with you and the world today. I don't like to see posters getting isolated on this thread, we are all just trying to enjoy our racing, hopefully make some holiday money and talk some shight about it. It is what the game is all about.

Jockeys are great and they are fully entitled to have the inside knowledge and reap the benefits off it. But spoofing to punters is bollixing, that is all.

It doesn't say a lot for punters if jockeys are influencing prices. They're some of the worst judges ever, as can be proven by the numerous examples of when a stable's no. 1 jockey has got beaten in the top races by his lesser fancied stablemate.
They're professional jockeys, not punters. Maybe they shouldn't be asked for their opinion if the racing public expect them to know the result of every race before it takes place.

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is his job to inform his trainer how well the horse is going.

No it's not. It's his job to ride the horse in the race. A lot of the top jockeys won't have sat on many (if any) of their mounts between races.

IAMAMORON

Kauto wrote: »

You talk some drivel. It would be 1.01 that Townend would have ridden Footpad if he had the choice. A combination of good ground and a hard race in the KG contributed to his defeat.
They are a few high profile lads getting the best of info out of the stable and are nearly bust. So what does it matter what Townend does or doesnt say. It would have no effect on the market. Why dont you go with our own opinion and stop whinging.

So what you are saying is that even though he knew the horse wasn't fit that he still would have taken the ride? Which is irrelevant, Jacob is paid to ride him anyways, at least that gives the owners a smidgeon of control over what happens.

In hindsight all that happened here is that Suede and Munir got some feed money for a few months, would you like to talk about that?

If Footpad was so fond of the muck why was he entered in Thurles? Even I know it has the best winter ground in the country. The reality is that Footpad is regressive. That is what makes Townend's comments worse.

I find your contempt for punters disconcerting. Without punters there would be no one for your pals to spoof at, who would talk to them then?

IAMAMORON

yaboya1 wrote: »

No it's not. It's his job to ride the horse in the race. A lot of the top jockeys won't have sat on many (if any) of their mounts between races.

If he hasn't sat on the horse mid week he certainly is not in any position to comment on what its' chances in the race are.

Your drowning in this one.

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

If he hasn't sat on the horse mid week he certainly is not in any position to comment on what its' chances in the race are.

Your drowning in this one.

Seriously?
Most punters betting on the race had an opinion on each horse's chance, yet I doubt any of them sat on any of the runners, ever.

I think YOU'RE the one who's drowning. Contradicting your own argument.

IAMAMORON

yaboya1 wrote: »

Seriously?
Most punters betting on the race had an opinion on each horse's chance, yet I doubt any of them sat on any of the runners, ever.

I think YOU'RE the one who's drowning. Contradicting your own argument.

Now you are actually sinking here, do you need arm bands ?


What is my argument ,( if you don't get it right first time this conversation might struggle to continue btw)?

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Now you are actually sinking here, do you need arm bands ?


What is my argument ,( if you don't get it right first time this conversation might struggle to continue btw)?

I quoted your post.
You're saying Townend has no business commenting on another horse's chance because be hasn't sat on him. Anyone (jockey or otherwise) is entitled to comment on any horse's chance, especially if they're asked (whether they've sat on them or not).
If punters are stupid enough to base their betting on what a jockey says, they deserve to lose their money.


Btw, saying you're drowning/sinking doesn't make it so.

IAMAMORON

yaboya1 wrote: »

I quoted your post.
You're saying Townend has no business commenting on another horse's chance because be hasn't sat on him. Anyone (jockey or otherwise) is entitled to comment on any horse's chance, especially if they're asked (whether they've sat on them or not).
If punters are stupid enough to base their betting on what a jockey says, they deserve to lose their money.


Btw, saying you're drowning/sinking doesn't make it so.

Stick up for the corruption all you like. I asked you what my argument was, you refused to take that on, and if I am being honest given the way you have spoken to other posters, on this very thread I might add, that you are looking to argue as opposed to discuss. I cannot have that.

As I said, when the top jockeys from the top stables are misinforming punters there is a deep problem. That was my argument, just to clarify going forward.

Kauto

IAMAMORON wrote: »

So what you are saying is that even though he knew the horse wasn't fit that he still would have taken the ride? Which is irrelevant, Jacob is paid to ride him anyways, at least that gives the owners a smidgeon of control over what happens.

In hindsight all that happened here is that Suede and Munir got some feed money for a few months, would you like to talk about that?

If Footpad was so fond of the muck why was he entered in Thurles? Even I know it has the best winter ground in the country. The reality is that Footpad is regressive. That is what makes Townend's comments worse.

I find your contempt for punters disconcerting. Without punters there would be no one for your pals to spoof at, who would talk to them then?

Who said the horse wasnt fit? He wouldnt have been put under any pressure at home, hence you would only find out on the course if the KG had taken its toll. The owners got some feed money? This doesnt even deserve a response.

This game is not for you. Your a hopeless punter and an even worse analyst of the game.

yaboya1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Stick up for the corruption all you like. I asked you what my argument was, you refused to take that on, and if I am being honest given the way you have spoken to other posters, on this very thread I might add, that you are looking to argue as opposed to discuss. I cannot have that.

As I said, when the top jockeys from the top stables are misinforming punters there is a deep problem. That was my argument, just to clarify going forward.

I'm not sticking up for corruption and never have done. As previously stated, just because you say something doesn't make it so.

Your argument is your opinion. It's not based on fact. You have nothing to prove that your opinion is correct. You're accusing Townend of misinforming punters because he said he'd rather be riding the odds on favourite than his own mount. Your argument assumes Townend knew he was going to beat Footpad. You don't know that this is the case, yet are stating it as fact.

IAMAMORON

Kauto wrote: »

Who said the horse wasnt fit? He wouldnt have been put under any pressure at home, hence you would only find out on the course if the KG had taken its toll. The owners got some feed money? This doesnt even deserve a response.

This game is not for you. Your a hopeless punter and an even worse analyst of the game.

Kauto wrote: »

You talk some drivel. It would be 1.01 that Townend would have ridden Footpad if he had the choice. A combination of good ground and a hard race in the KG contributed to his defeat.
They are a few high profile lads getting the best of info out of the stable and are nearly bust. So what does it matter what Townend does or doesnt say. It would have no effect on the market. Why dont you go with our own opinion and stop whinging.

Your the only person who mentioned he wasn't fit, I think you are beginning to drown a little also.

Kauto wrote: »

This game is not for you. Your a hopeless punter and an even worse analyst of the game.

I am out because this thread as gotten too personal and I don't think insulting other posters is what I came on here to do.

I never asked for anyone's opinion on my punting either. How would you possibly know?

zpehtsfd

Absolute nonsense talked on this thread. No one can tell for sure if Footpad was still feeling the exertions of the KG until he ran in a race again. He might have been sore or stiff for a few days after the KG but then he'd be back working normally. He would have schooled over fences early last week and then the decision would have been made to run him. If DJ didn't come over then highly likely it was PT who rode him then. PT was asked for his opinion pre-race and he gave it. He was not misinforming anyone. Everyone knew Footpad was a bleeder and saw that he had a hard race in the KG but no one knew how those things would affect his running on Sunday. Enough with the corruption BS.