The murder of Keane Mulready Woods.

ILoveYourVibes

*MODS* apologies if there is another thread or you see fit for some other reason to remove this one.


Its a horrific story and truly reflects how we can't ignore this issue any longer.

A 17 yr old child member of a gang who was under investigation for intimidation and threats made to a mother of two sons that were in drug debt was brutally murdered then dismembered.

The woman took out a loan to pay Mulready but he wanted more money.

He then murdered her cat.

Last year, he was handed down a four-month prison sentence in a separate case – which was deferred until this September – for the intimidation of a local family, as well as possession of cannabis for personal use and a road traffic offence.

Obviously he was a capable criminal. Obviously saying he was far from an angel is well .....an understatement.

But i don't our country to say we turn our backs on these people let them murder each other out of it.

This isn't normal. None of it...normal 17 yr olds don't do this ...this shouldn't happen to ANYONE no matter what they have done.

How do we put the brakes on this?

TuringBot47

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This isn't normal. None of it...normal 17 yr olds don't do this

You are totally naive, seriously.
Even look at Love/Hate... they used teenagers either due to debts or to get into a gang and earn easy money. The courts let under 18's away with practically murder....

How many unemployed and uneducated teenagers would be happy for easy money without a formal job?

They will petrol bomb houses or take a chance skimming drugs from a gang and think there's no repercussions.

Long_Wave

No sympathy for a toerag who goes around killing defenceless Cats. The state have saved 50 years worth of dole payments.

ILoveYourVibes

Ruthless J wrote: »

17yo 'child'?

Anyway, just pikeys killing pikeys. Nothing you can do about it.

*SIGH*

This is EXACTLY what i am talking about. There is an apathy towards crime that is committed by and against people whom we consider our social inferiors.

It troubles me.

'Who cares what happens to the beasts in the swamp' etc.

Its not good enough. There was another woman dismembered by her son law recently and her body was dispersed in the Dublin mountains.

Society cannot become a jungle.

People are our EQUALS. We have to recognize humanity in others. We have to REMIND people of their own humanity even if they have forgotten.

Most people from these areas are kind warm people. We have to nourish them and improve the country we all live in together.

ILoveYourVibes

Ruthless J wrote: »

Only upsetting thing is the death of the cat.

Its very upsetting. I mean i would want to give the young fella a slap. But its not the only thing that is upsetting.

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY! I don't want to live in a place like this do you?

ThunbergsAreGo

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

*SIGH*

Most people from these areas are kind warm people. We have to nourish them and improve the country we all live in together.

Absolutely, but from the sounds of it this particular person was a toe rag

RocketRaccoon

No loss to the planet evidently, better that he was killed before he killed an innocent person.

Dclass

It's sad to say but kids these days join these gangs so they can act the hard man themselves in the estates but realistically they are being used so the bigger boys don't get caught and do time , kids are indispensable to these gangsters

ILoveYourVibes

I mean if someone killed my cat. I would want to beat the ****e out of them .....but like i wouldn't because i would realize that is only starting an endless circle of revenge and violence.

My later reaction would be LETS PUNISH ALL PEOPLE WHO HURT CATS! ....10 yrs for anyone who hurts a cat!

THAT IS JUSTICE THIS IS REVENGE.

No loss to the planet evidently, better that he was killed before he killed an innocent person.

Could we not just have locked him up?

Do people NOT SEE the ante has been upped? This will become more normal now?? And in time innocent people will be murdered in the same way?

These things CHANGE society ..it has a snow ball effect.

suicide_circus

Ah jayzis

Galwayguy35

He killed a cat belonging to someone who owed money for drugs.

Live by the sword die by the sword, doesn't sound like he was a very nice person and he made enemies of the wrong people.

Effects

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

People are our EQUALS.

What are we to do when they don't act like our equals?

lawred2

Couldn't give a fiddlers beyond being dismayed at the goryness of it all..

He was clearly well on the path already to being a serious threat to society.

ahnowbrowncow

Long_Wave wrote: »

No sympathy for a toerag who goes around killing defenceless Cats. The state have saved 50 years worth of dole payments.

I've sympathy for him when he was more innocent, he never had a chance growing up in that environment. Whoever got him involved in this hopefully, but unlikely, feel terribly guilty.

But I've no sympathy for the person he became.

ILoveYourVibes

Ruthless J wrote: »

Our country is now Mexico tier.

Well I don't mean to disrespect Mexico. Every country has scumbags. Its just i won't want to live in hell where stuff like this happens!

I OBJECT!

I am not letting my country become a kip!

This should be a peaceful place. Kids should learn this in primary school and they should learn how to reconcile their differences there too.

They do it in the north why not here?

Sorry if i sound hysterical. Its just passion!

TuringBot47

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

People are our EQUALS.

Just NO.

Everyone has the POTENTIAL to be equal up to a point, and all things being equal should be considered equally by the state/companies/employers.
But that doesn't mean a criminal with 200 convictions is equal to a model citizen who has contributed to society all their life working and paying tax.

lawred2

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well I don't mean to disrespect Mexico. Every country has scumbags. Its just i won't want to live in hell where stuff like this happens!

I OBJECT!

I am not letting my country become a kip!

This should be a peaceful place. Kids should learn this in primary school and they should learn how to reconcile their differences there too.

They do it in the north why not here?

Sorry if i sound hysterical. Its just passion!

I doubt a lot of these manipulated fools did much attending of any school anywhere

LuasSimon

This country needs at least one new prison and Judges should be sacked if they give someone bail that goes onto commit further high end crimes while on bail.
This country also needs to stop pussy footing about the amount of Travellers involved in crime .

smelly sock

If he was a child, where are his parents in all this? What was their responsibility?

ILoveYourVibes

Effects wrote: »

What are we to do when they don't act like our equals?

I am not saying him. I mean the people that were unlucky enough to live around him.


I guess what i am saying is we have a profound affect on our environment. All of us. Drug dealers do teachers do politicians do. We have to make sure the positive affect outweighs the evil affects.

You can't beat evil with evil. It just grows angrier and more bitter.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

*SIGH*

This is EXACTLY what i am talking about. There is an apathy towards crime that is committed by and against people whom we consider our social inferiors.

It troubles me.

'Who cares what happens to the beasts in the swamp' etc.

Its not good enough. There was another woman dismembered by her son law recently and her body was dispersed in the Dublin mountains.

Society cannot become a jungle.

People are our EQUALS. We have to recognize humanity in others. We have to REMIND people of their own humanity even if they have forgotten.

Most people from these areas are kind warm people. We have to nourish them and improve the country we all live in together.

Those sort of people are not my equal, socially or otherwise. They are inferior human beings.

One down, plenty more scumbags to go. If they stopped breeding for a generation or two the world would be a batter place, let alone Ireland.

RocketRaccoon

Why would anyone want him locked up? To be free again in 2-3 years to offend again and then be locked up? Waste of time and money, this is the better end for the country tbh.

ILoveYourVibes

lawred2 wrote: »

I doubt a lot of these manipulated fools did much attending of any school anywhere

You are probably right. On both counts. Its so sad ...all of it. Poor cat poor everyone .:(

ILoveYourVibes

JayZeus wrote: »

Those sort of people are not my equal, socially or otherwise. They are inferior human beings.

One down, plenty more scumbags to go. If they stopped breeding for a generation or two the world would be a batter place, let alone Ireland.

I understand your feelings.

But that is like giving up. Its like saying oh the world is evil ..i give up ...

rob316

17 year old last seen wearing a Hugo boss tracksuit, Hugo boss trainers and Gucci baseball cap. He knew exactly what he was getting into, if he can reap the rewards he can reap what he sows.

smelly sock

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am not saying him. I mean the people that were unlucky enough to live around him.


I guess what i am saying is we have a profound affect on our environment. All of us. Drug dealers do teachers do politicians do. We have to make sure the positive affect outweighs the evil affects.

You can't beat evil with evil. It just grows angrier and more bitter.

I would say there are families and hard working innocent people from the same area sleeping easier now. Probably relieved that this has happened.

smelly sock

rob316 wrote: »

17 year old last seen wearing a Hugo boss tracksuit, Hugo boss trainers and Gucci baseball cap. He knew exactly what he was getting into, if he can reap the rewards he can reap what he sows.

Dont forget the jacket. 1500 euro by all account.

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smelly sock wrote: »

If he was a child, where are his parents in all this? What was their responsibility?

This line that AGS are pushing that he was a child is worrying. He was 17. Legally responsible for his actions and a seasoned criminal.

He wasn't an innocent child!
Terrible way to go and it's 1 less thug off the street but someone younger and more brutal will take his place.

Harry Palmr

The ritual nature of the post kill activity is probably the most disheartening aspect of this. Beastial chopping and slicing up of a kids body so it can be placed for the purpose of sending a message. When the ante is upped it could be a disembowled body hanging from a lamppost or bridge.

And none of this will end anything.

Jurgen The German

Live by the sword, die by the sword tbh, hopefully it will act as a deterrent for other young fellas that are easily blinded by gaudy tracksuits and a bit of money, get involved with scumbags and they wont hesitate to fcuk you up.

smelly sock

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The ritual nature of the post kill activity is probably the most disheartening aspect of this. Beastial chopping and slicing up of a kids body so it can be placed for the purpose of sending a message. When the ante is upped it could be a disembowled body hanging from a lamppost or bridge.

And none of this will end anything.

What can we do about it though? Until there is a zero tolerance approach to organised crime in this country nothing will change. It should be treated like being a member or a terrorist organisation in my book. Look them up, armed guards and solitary confinement for about 40 years. **** them and their human rights.

Its the legal eagle free aid merry go round that will mean nothing happens.

anewme

Long_Wave wrote: »

No sympathy for a toerag who goes around killing defenceless Cats.

Netflix were right then.

Dont F*** With Cats

rob316

The outrage is down to him been 17, no one would bat an eyelid if he was older. You can be a vicious scumbag at 17

Odyssey 2005

rob316 wrote: »

The outrage is down to him been 17, no one would bat an eyelid if he was older. You can be a vicious scumbag at 17

18 next month apparently. So next month he "would have been known to the Gardi"
What a difference a ninth makes

Signore Fancy Pants

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I OBJECT!

I am not letting my country become a kip

What are you going to do about it?

_Brian

Effects wrote: »

What are we to do when they don't act like our equals?

If they act like savages then let them die like savages.

I’ll save my pity for when these thugs beat up on innocents decent hard working people.

Charlie19

These scumbags have brought gangland killings to another level and it's frightening to think that they're capable of such things and makes me wonder to where this might escalate to.

rob316

Charlie19 wrote: »

These scumbags have brought gangland killings to another level and it's frightening to think that they're capable of such things and makes me wonder to where this might escalate to.

As long as it's between themselves I don't really care.

ILoveYourVibes

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Just NO.

Everyone has the POTENTIAL to be equal up to a point, and all things being equal should be considered equally by the state/companies/employers.
But that doesn't mean a criminal with 200 convictions is equal to a model citizen who has contributed to society all their life working and paying tax.

They equal before the law. Legal egalitarianism is necessary for a functioning democracy.

I know the EMOTIVE reaction is to say we must place certain people who do bad things beneath others. But that is damaging to the very system that is supposed to protect us from those very people.

What if the person with 200 convictions is a person in power?

Basing law on emotive reactions is dangerous.

There was an interesting case demonstrating why legal egalitarianism is necessary.

Article 200 of the Criminal Code of Japan, the penalty regarding parricide, was declared unconstitutional for violating the equality under the law by the Supreme Court of Japan in 1973. This was a result of the trial of the Tochigi patricide case

A daughter who was sexually abused by her father for yrs killed him. But the sentence for parricide in Japan is very tough because older Japanese law considered is a worse crime for someone to kill a father than lets say a mother or a stranger. No extenuating circumstances were allowed.

It was argued that while she was wrong to kill her father that it wasn't legal egalitarianism to treat her crime differently from another murder. Her lawyer said it was self defense at the time and her mind was under stress from abuse. (she had born her father 3 children)


Similarly it isn't legal egalitarianism to treat Keane Mulready Woods differently from any other victim of murder including a tax payer who was a model citizen.

Murder is murder.





We can't act solely on emotions when it comes to justice. We must balance what we feel with reason.

fritzelly

He was certainly no child but saying child makes it more sensational for the news

No sympathy from me, unfortunately they'll be another thug in training ready to take his place.

smelly sock

Charlie19 wrote: »

These scumbags have brought gangland killings to another level and it's frightening to think that they're capable of such things and makes me wonder to where this might escalate to.

As long as they keep it to themselves.

The problem is some poor innocet could get caught in the cross fire. Hopefully AGS can avert this and ensure they only wipe eachother out.

ILoveYourVibes

Charlie19 wrote: »

These scumbags have brought gangland killings to another level and it's frightening to think that they're capable of such things and makes me wonder to where this might escalate to.

It will spread.

CrankyHaus

Any murder is a tragedy, that of a child even more so, regardless of the character of the victim.
All of this violence ripples out and cheapens the perceived value of life.

How has this feud been allowed to go on for this long with apparent impunity?

How many of the participants have double or even triple digit conviction numbers?

Would this feud even exist if they'd received sentences proportionate to their crimes instead of never ending suspended sentences, concurrent sentences and remitted sentences?

Would this child still be alive if he had received proper sentencing for his crimes instead of a 4 month sentence deferred until this September that left him out on the streets?

Fr_Dougal

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

What are you going to do about it?

Posting on boards and throwing in a bit of virtue signalling always works.

It’s good to raise awareness that murder is bad, not enough people know this.

Millionaire only not

rob316 wrote: »

17 year old last seen wearing a Hugo boss tracksuit, Hugo boss trainers and Gucci baseball cap. He knew exactly what he was getting into, if he can reap the rewards he can reap what he sows.

I love the way the media talk about the clothes , there only imitation brands !
Could u see that scum in BT’s

smelly sock

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Any murder is a tragedy, that of a child even more so, regardless of the character of the victim.
All of this violence ripples out and cheapens the perceived value of life.

How has this feud been allowed to go on for this long with apparent impunity?

How many of the participants have double or even triple digit conviction numbers?

Would this feud even exist if they'd received sentences proportionate to their crimes instead of never ending suspended sentences, concurrent sentences and remitted sentences?

Would this child still be alive if he had received proper sentencing for his crimes instead of a 4 month sentence deferred until this September that left him out on the streets?

I believe AGS should protect people who obey the law and arent serious criminals. Youre htting the nail on the head about sentencing though.

Satelite tv in your cell. Ffs.

anewme

Millionaire only not wrote: »

I love the way the media talk about the clothes , there only imitation brands !
Could u see that scum in BT’s

They are most certainly not imitations.

He had a Hugo Boss tracksuit 250, Gucci cap 250, Canada Goose Coat 1300.

These are the trappings of criminality. That's what is luring people like him in.

Wonder if his parents did not wonder how their son could afford a 1300 coat with no income.?

splinter65

Millionaire only not wrote: »

I love the way the media talk about the clothes , there only imitation brands !
Could u see that scum in BT’s

No the real thing apparently. His brief period as a brutal enforcer for the drug lord of that area brought him huge cash rewards. That’s the problem. Kids like that having grown up with no one to tell them right from wrong see a very easy quite enjoyable way to have everything they ever wanted, the clothes the jewelry the Lexus the runners the mobile phone the fortnight in the Canaries and they go for it gung ho.
He would have had no remorse for any of the suffering he caused because you need to have developed a conscience to experience remorse for your actions. But he was stupid and immature and inexperienced enough to get himself killed even after the Gardai told him his life was in danger.

ILoveYourVibes

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s good to raise awareness that murder is bad, not enough people know this.

How can you claim this when so many are posting here that they don't have a problem with his murder they care only for the cat etc?

Clearly what you claim is not the case. It obviously depends on WHO you murder to some people. You can murder bad people but not good people.


I suspect the sincerity of people who speak pejoratively or cynically about showing virtue publicly, which ought to be encouraged.

The idea of signalling one's moral values does signal mental fitness and wellness and thus the ability to attract a mate or friends success etc.

Its something we should encourage not discourage.

Also going on about an other's percieved virtue signalling is the WORST KIND OF VIRTUE SIGNALLING. 'I am so genuine and real etc'


You are no more genuine than myself or anyone else in this thread.

Trying to publicly show your distaste for another person's 'virtue signalling' is exactly just that ..its virtue signalling.

Charlie19

rob316 wrote: »

As long as it's between themselves I don't really care.

Thats the thing though, somewhere along the line innocent folk are going to be effected by this and the killings between the gangs are only going to get worse.

The rate the videos and photos spread across social media today was alarming and shows that these people don't give two flying f**ks to what might come back their way.

nullzero

The solution should be self evident. Either legalize and control the illicit substances these vermin are selling or begin to penalise those buying them.

The world and his wife seems to be snorting cocaine these days, there is no control and the people snorting it continually ignore the fact that they are funding the violence around them, for me they need to be reminded of their responsibility.

In reality nothing will be done and this will potentially become more and more common, the people hacking another human being up and recording it on their phones are a mixture of psychopath and coked up scum.

We're harbouring pure and utter scumbags in our society and doing nothing to discourage them from the life of crime they're involved in.

I'd like to think this might be a watershed moment but going by our inability to tackle any crisis in this country I'm not holding out any hope.