Why some people think 9/11 was an inside job

Overheal

Trust the science; go get a job

https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA?si=z0YBX7CFfyaJP7wE

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121095328#Comment_121095328

There are obviously informational gaps in the public's understanding of what happened leading up to the 9/11 attacks. Unofficial leaks, circumstantial evidence, and official media reporting are all sources of information.

The Bush government claims they were unaware of the activities of the 9/11 hijackers and could not have predicted terrorists would use airplanes to attack buildings, so they could not have been prepared. This is not true; the US government had conducted multiple drills simulating 9/11-style attacks even on that Tuesday, which means they were well aware of the danger.

False also because, in the years leading up to 9/11, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) was warned multiple times by government agencies and intelligence services that terrorists could use airplanes as weapons.

It is important to recognize that the US government's own narrative around 9/11 is not true, even for basic stuff like what terrorists could be capable of doing before 9/11.

Court cases involving the Saudi Government have revealed the CIA agency's involvement in tracking the movements of Mohammed Atta, Khalid Al-Mihdhar, Nawaf Al-Hazmi, and others before 9/11.

According to the latest Saudi/911 family court documents, the CIA asked Omar Al-Bouyami, a Saudi spy living in America, to look after the San Diego 9/11 hijackers. Al-Bouyami was asked by the CIA to keep track of the hijackers' movements, maintain contact with them, and give them assistance. This new piece of information was revealed in August 2023.

Breaking through that wall of secrecy will require a lot of effort, as the CIA is known for its secrecy and is unlikely to admit to running a Saudi-CIA intelligence operation on US soil. Furthermore, the fact that they were using a person with terrorist links and links to a foreign intelligence agency is a troubling finding that is likely to be overlooked by the US official media.

This evidence does point to the disturbing possibility that the CIA was actively involved in providing aid to the hijackers. Either knowingly or unknowingly, to the hijackers.

The financial resources of the hijackers came from some people who had a special relationship with US intelligence. This raises serious questions about the level of involvement of the CIA in the September 11th attacks. For me, people in the CIA are not actively trying to prevent terrorist operations on US soil; they likely have some other agenda in mind. This could be anything from political or financial gain to personal or ideological motivations. It is very difficult to determine who was behind the demolition job, as there is no clear evidence to point to any one group. However, if the CIA is found to be helping terrorists on US soil, then they should be considered prime suspects.

We can conclude that the official reports about the collapse of the Twin Towers and Building Seven on 9/11 were not completely truthful, as there are numerous inconsistencies between the evidence, videos, and eyewitness statements.

These anomalies include the lack of visible signs of severe structural damage at seven prior to the collapse of the building, the rapid and symmetrical collapse of the buildings, the presence of molten iron in the rubble, the presence of high-temperature fires in the rubble for weeks after the collapse and the melted steel ( all real and confirmed)

There are many problems with the official reports, including NIST removing structural components for Building 7, inaccurate measurements, and a computer simulation mode of the collapse that does not make sense. Additionally, NIST failed to provide a plausible explanation for why the building collapsed in the way that it did, and the destruction of the evidence from the collapse scene of Building Seven has raised serious questions about the integrity of the investigation.

I remain open to the possibility that the separate attack on the buildings and the people who did the demolition could have been carried out by an unknown group. It is possible that this group was not connected to the ISI, the CIA, or the Saudis. Either way, the evidence is pretty damn good. Someone else got involved.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115651#Comment_121115651

But you've failed entirely to show that the towers were demolished using a never before seen type of demolition. You've accidentally proven that your theory is false. In your attempts to defend your theory you've displayed complete dishonest and a lack of understanding in many many fields.

It's most likely the same in this political angle you're attempting now.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115651#Comment_121115651

More chicken sh1t nonsense

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115651#Comment_121115651

Right, you wrote there were two groups involved in 9/11, who weren't aware of each other, which group was the CIA in, the ISI/Al Qaeda group or the demolitions/everyone else group?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117379#Comment_121117379

The hijackers were trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan and were indoctrinated with radical ideologies by senior terrorist operatives such as Omar Sheikh and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The hijackers were recruited from Muslim and Arab countries and sent to ISI-controlled terrorist camps near Peshawar and Karachi in Pakistan. Some visited camps in Afghanistan

The BOJINKA/911 plot was a plan devised by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in 1995 to hijack several planes and crash them into multiple targets. Yousef was convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1995 Bojinka plot. The plot was aborted before it could be carried out, but the plan was later adopted by the hijackers on 9/11.

Omar Sheikh was a key figure in the 9/11 narrative, as his connections to Mohammed Atta have been well documented. He was so influential that terrorists hijacked an Indian Airlines plane and brought it to Afghanistan with 155 passengers demanding his release, and the Indians released him. It has been rumored since his arrest for Daniel Pearl's murder that he was a double agent working for the ISI and Western intelligence (CIA). Most Western media did not report that Omar Sheikh's UAE bank account was used to send money to dozens of banks in the US to aid the 9/11 hijackers.

As a double agent, Omar Sheikh had a unique position to access information from both sides and could have provided valuable insight into the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks. His double-sided activities could have had an impact on both the ISI and Western intelligence foreknowledge, which is why it is important to look at his role in the narrative.

The CIA had been monitoring the 9/11 hijackers in Hamburg since at least 1999, and they had knowledge of another Bojinka High-Level Terrorist Meeting in Malaysia in 2000. They asked the authorities in Malaysia to video and photograph the meeting, indicating that they had a suspicion of what was taking place. Furthermore, the CIA tracked the hijackers' flights to Spain and Amsterdam to meet facilitators of the 9/11 attack, demonstrating that the CIA was aware of the hijacker's plans and movements.

A federal investigation into the USS Cole bombing was also hampered by the CIA, which refused to share documents and access to photographs with those responsible. Failure to share intelligence is an effective way of preventing terrorists from becoming known to other intelligence agencies. That's why I think the CIA wanted 9/11 to happen, and they basically got in everyone's way to prevent it from happening. They had foreknowledge of the attacks and chose not to take action to stop them.

It has now been revealed that a Saudi Intelligence agent was instructed by the CIA to meet with the 9/11 hijackers at a restaurant after they arrived on a flight from Los Angeles. This is the first time these allegations have been made public. So this was actually a CIA operation with the hijackers on US soil.

It is now public knowledge that the CIA is enmeshed in a plot involving Saudi intelligence and the 9/11 hijackers. It is so clear that the CIA was facilitating the hijackers, and now it makes sense why they got in the way of investigations in the past. The CIA knew that ISI/Saudi intelligence was involved with the hijackers prior to their entry into the country, allowed them to enter, and even directed contacts between the plotters and foreign intelligence agencies linked to the hijackings.

The group responsible for the decision to demolish the Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11 is still unknown. However, the results of the demolitions have been extensively documented in research. This research has revealed evidence of nano-thermite materials being used to bring down the towers. The anomalies found after the collapse of the buildings have led to speculation that a second team of operatives may have been involved in the decision to demolish the Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11. However, the identity of this second group remains a mystery.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117872#Comment_121117872

If these groups weren't aware of each other, how did they plan the attack so perfectly together?

Also you still haven't addressed the original question

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117872#Comment_121117872

More absolute waffle.

All this posting and you havent one single credible theory....in the conspiacry theory thread.

Case closed. Theres no conspiracy. As you have proven time and time again with your inability to answer basic questions.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121118490#Comment_121118490

22 years and counting without a single viable, rational theory presented by anyone.

We keep being told that conspiracy theorists are investigators and researchers. Yet, in two decades they've nothing at all to show for it. They can only fall back to same old debunked claims they know are bunk and resort to the same dishonest tactics of dodging, avoiding and ear plugging.

They clearly aren't very good at theorising.

The only thing that any of them have accomplished is lining the pockets of grifters like AE9/11. That and adding another shorthand for people to use like they do with JFK and Moon hoax believers.

Cheerful has convinced me that the most viable of all 9/11 conspiracy theories is Judy Wood's space laser one. He's shown that all of the ones he subscribe to can't survive even a bare level of questioning and are mostly just made up on the spot.

The space laser theory at least is coherent, consistent and only relies on one impossible made up thing to work.

Igotadose

What's really sad, is they won't stfu about 9/11. 22 years on, some of us remember that day and people we knew quite well. Pathetic trolls looking for some weird attention jollies. They're popping up all over FB too, almost the exact same script you see here. Leave it go, planes hit the buildings and they fell down. Just let it go.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121118219#Comment_121118219

The hijacking of the planes on 9/11 was not an impulsive act, but rather a carefully orchestrated plan based on the previous terrorist operation ( Bojinka) that took seven years to develop. The individuals involved in executing these attacks were meticulously chosen for their roles in this operation. This training included learning how to overcome resistance within the aircraft, and piloting the planes themselves. 

 Individuals in the Saudi government's Intelligence and Pakistan government/ISI were sanctioning the 9/11 terrorism under the radar. The clandestine nature of this sanctioning of terrorism and the Bush government trying to hide that fact and blaming the country of Iraq instead is overlooked here even today.

It is crucial to acknowledge that the cover-up of those involved began almost immediately. Following the incident, the Bush Administration swiftly classified numerous files, effectively obscuring vital information from the public eye. Furthermore, they went as far as to issue threats to Congress, discouraging any further investigation into the matter. Shockingly, they even refused to allow certain members of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to testify, thereby impeding the truth-seeking process around 9/11

The plan for the hijacking was well known, and there was no need for the second group to work together with the hijackers on the demolition part. Their only requirement was to have information on when the takeover of the planes would occur and the targets. Their task was to go to the designated location inside the buildings, place the necessary materials, and then leave. If the first hijacking attempt was unsuccessful, it meant they could execute again ( remove the materials). There is always a backup plan in case of any unforeseen circumstances.

 Further investigation into the matter is essential to shed light on the nature of this second group and their connection to Building Seven. 

 This story is largely forgotten but it's an important one. Before the collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th, there were two individuals who found themselves trapped in a stairwell due to an explosion that occurred below the 8th floor. These two men were Barry Jennings and Michael Hess. In the aftermath of the incident, both individuals spoke with the media and shared their harrowing experiences of being trapped in Building Seven during this collapse for hours.

Micheal Hess is trapped inside building seven.

Multiple floors within Building Seven experienced a collapse even before the South Tower collapsed ( how is that possible?) This information challenges the conventional narrative surrounding Building Seven's collapse and raises questions about the events that transpired on that fateful day. In the field of controlled demolition, it is widely acknowledged that the destruction of columns can be timed and executed over an extended period. This method involves gradually chipping away at the steel column structure, allowing for a controlled dismantling process. Based on the evidence of the floors collapsing inside Building Seven ahead of a tower collapse, it can be inferred that some weakening was occurring prior to the collapse of the towers and the subsequent fire. While this statement does not definitively prove what happened there, it is clear that there were signs of structural compromise.

 The lesser-known fact that remains shrouded in mystery. It is not widely known that the fire alarms inside Building Seven were inexplicably placed in test mode before 7 a.m. This action rendered the monitoring station unable to alert the fire department in the event of any fires inside the building. The question arises: why would the fire alarm be intentionally placed on test mode for a duration of eight hours on that fateful day? The circumstances surrounding this decision are undeniably suspicious.

Log history would be documenting the origin, timing, and location of fires within a particular area is an important aspect to consider. However, it appears that this historical data was erased after the system went back online near 3 p.m. This situation is rather peculiar, as having access to this data would provide valuable insights into the fires that occurred between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. NIST has some of this data on its investigation page. 

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-81b436071bb9ef5122cac04b94d76841/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-81b436071bb9ef5122cac04b94d76841.pdf

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121122817#Comment_121122817

Right but how did these two groups, who you said weren't even aware of each other, plan this elaborate attack together?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121122873#Comment_121122873

Already explained here

The plan for the hijacking was well known, and there was no need for the second group to work together with the hijackers on the demolition part. Their only requirement was to have information on when the takeover of the planes would occur and the targets. Their task was to go to the designated location inside the buildings, place the necessary materials, and then leave. If the first hijacking attempt was unsuccessful, it meant they could execute again ( remove the materials). There is always a backup plan in case of any unforeseen circumstances.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121123058#Comment_121123058

Their only requirement was to have information on when the takeover of the planes would occur and the targets.

The hijackers selected the attack date in around the third week of August and only bought their flight tickets between then and Sept 5th.

So, according to you, the US president, Silverstein, Secret Nazi's, CIA, US generals, and a raft of others ordered two skyscrapers and a 47 story building be fully rigged and prepared for demolition, in secret, by a handful of guys, in that period?

Quickly, change tack! Go the Richard Gage route, claim the buildings were pre-prepared with explosives long before the attacks..

But wait, you can't, you claimed the buildings were prepared just before the attacks..

Choices, choices..

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124088#Comment_121124088

Remember that the claim was that it was only 8 people who rigged all 3 buildings all in that time. All in secret.

It's also strange that he's claiming that they would have been able to remove the materials given that he previously claimed that the magic nanothermite was sprayed all over the supports as a gel.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124198#Comment_121124198

CS claimed the "nanothermite" was left in boxes around the offices. And connected wirelessly.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124210#Comment_121124210

I definitely remember him claiming something about it being a gel and it being applied to all of the supports.

Still that's 8 guys moving in thousands of boxes into the buildings and placing them against each and every one of the supports in a specific way so that they will cause the supports to fail simultaneously and on cue.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121123058#Comment_121123058

Their task was to go to the designated location inside the buildings, place the necessary materials, and then leave

OK lets try again, how did they do this?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124785#Comment_121124785

"They went in on evenings and weekends, in total secrecy, in a couple of weeks, rigged three New York skyscrapers with secret explosives and carried it out flawlessly and perfectly, what's so hard to believe about that?" - Someone on the internet

"I can't believe a building fell due to fire" - Same person on the internet

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124785#Comment_121124785

The live feed from CNN reveals a constant occurrence of flashes. Focus solely on the flashes that appear throughout. The observation should begin at the 8-minute, 13-second mark of the video. Specifically, keep your attention directed toward the far right corner of the north tower of the video, as it begins at that time. While the attention of the audience was fixated on the hole and the fire, these flashes of light were signaling an entirely different event was unfolding inside the building ( the weakening of the steel structure)

https://archive.org/details/cnn200109110848-0929

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127497#Comment_121127497

This isn't an answer to the question you were asked. It's just another long debunked factoid that doesn't actually fit your theory.

You're avoiding answering the question about how your 8 people planted these hundreds/thousands of thermite charges because you understand you've painted yourself into a corner again.

You can't say that they planted them all individually, because you understand that's a silly thing to claim in the time frame you've set.

You can't say how they were actually planted because you also claimed that whatever they did must then also be easily removable.

You can't say where they were planted because this would expose the ridiculous numbers needed and wouldn't be compatible with your claims about the mechanism of how the building fell.

So, you're again trying to dodge and shift the subject because you're not willing to engage in actual discussion.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127497#Comment_121127497

This isnt what I asked you.

Case closed.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128710#Comment_121128710

There is a lack of thorough investigation into the possibility of external interference. It is crucial to question why these demolition leads have not been pursued and why the official reports fail to acknowledge the existence of a second group involved in these demolitions.

Crucial moments leading up to the collapse. Various videos taken by both professionals and bystanders have documented the melting process in real time. These recordings clearly show the structural elements undergoing significant heat-induced deformations, further substantiating the occurrence of a melting process prior to the collapse.

It is clear that the South Tower definitely collapsed because steel components were melting inside. You can ignore things that you can see on video as much as you want, but it isn't a closed case for others who have eyes that do work.

Multiple witnesses, including firefighters, first responders, and journalists, have reported seeing melted steel metal like a river within the remains of the collapsed towers. Additionally, video footage shows they are right because the very same liquid (reported on) poured out a gap in the window before the south tower collapsed a minute later).

Official reports haven't noticed that this isn't a truther problem; it shows a lack of awareness on their side about what happened during the event.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208408#Comment_121208408

Yeah you can't even begin to explain how they rigged the buildings. You have no theory. Just the same old waffle.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208416#Comment_121208416

Notice how he's declaring that the official story must be false because it can't explain this or that. All while ignoring the countless issues, problems and contradictions in his own stance.

It's total hypocrisy and absolutely no self awareness.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208416#Comment_121208416

It is crazy talk to expect me to have knowledge of the second team operation. I cannot be 100 percent accurate about it. We can guess how they did it based on discoveries like nanothermite.

The small size and easy transportability of nano-thermite particles If they used this, then the team of operatives was likely very small. Because you won't be knocking down walls or getting in people's way during work hours, you don't need a large team to plant this material. It is basically designed to ignite with heat. The fire was the ideal place for the nano-thermite to ignite

Official reports may sometimes overlook certain details or fail to include all the information that witnesses may have observed. In the case mentioned, it appears that people on the ground saw a liquid in the rubble after the event.. If this observation was not acknowledged or mentioned in the official reports, it raises questions about the thoroughness of the investigation. Clearly NIST did so.

critical thinking in situations like this. Why is there a liquid of the same description pouring out of the South Tower? Is that a coincidence, or do we actually see the same liquid description here? In conclusion, the absence of mention regarding the observed liquid pouring from the South Tower, as witnessed by people on the ground also, raises questions about the completeness of the official reports.

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Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208525#Comment_121208525

The team that rigged two skyscrapers and a 47 story building were "very small"..

Is that a guess based on your story that Nazis, Jews, Saudis, Bush and two teams orchestrated 9/11 or do you have evidence of it?

If you have evidence, great, please share.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208571#Comment_121208571

There are potential suspects who could have interfered with the 9/11 attacks, which is what I actually said.

The demolition part was handled by another group, which is probably unknown to the hijackers. Who ran the operation is speculation.

Among the suspected organizations are Mossad, Business interests, Military Industrial Complex, the CIA and some unknown organizations with criminal and fascist ties. I am not saying all of them worked together. I am saying some people somewhere got involved.

In anomalies, we can see their handy work

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208525#Comment_121208525

But no one is asking you for specific knowledge.

People are asking you to detail the most basic details of your theory. You can't even do that. On top of that, rather than honestly admit this, you engage in many dishonest tactics such as ignoring and deflection.

Also, It's funny and telling that you're pretending that you are the only one who is capable of providing this information. Previously you were extoling AE9/11 as brave investigators who were uncovering the truth. Shouldn't they have all the information? Or even the basic details?

Though I think it's kind of obvious that you've ditched them since they don't support your unique version of the conspiracy And they've become a very embarrassing failure since their fraudulent study you were disappointed by.

You do not apply critical thinking in any situations.

For example, you believe that the molten liquid is present because of a picture in which you and only you see a giant mirror.

And of course, to drive home you complete hypocrisy, molten metal is not a feature of demolition. You cannot explain why it is there in the first place. So by your logic, we can reject your theory completely.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208571#Comment_121208571

I believe that this team is down to 8 people working over a weekend.

They somehow left dozens of tons of nanothermite in the buildings, prepared the charges against every single support in 3 buildings (possibly more) and all without being noticed.

He doesn't want to answer the Nal's question because he can't without it sounding even more ridiculous.