Advice on wall ownership

quinne22

Just looking for advice on who owns wall.

Neighbour got work done on house recently then said they were putting granite style stuff on the front walls between our houses. The wall in the picture was painted black by the owner of our house previously. When questioned neighbour told a silly story about how as she paid for it she owned it which I don't think is correct or truthful.

Any advice would be appreciated

the_pen_turner

first of all charge your phone

what does rob think.

not sure what your asking. is she claiming that she now owns the dividing wall

quinne22

the_pen_turner wrote: »

first of all charge your phone

what does rob think.

not sure what your asking. is she claiming that she now owns the dividing wall

Rob hasn't replied yet.

Yes claiming as "paid" for it she now owns it

Plumbthedepths

The wall would be considered as the boundary line so in theory you both share the wall equally. Although what's the problem the capping is a nice finish pity it's not straight though.

the_pen_turner

does it matter that she thinks she owns it.
what does the deeds show.


pop round and put a new tire on her car , you can now claim to own it because you spent money on it

quinne22

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The wall would be considered as the boundary line so in theory you both share the wall equally. Although what's the problem the capping is a nice finish pity it's not straight though.

I've no problem at all with the finish, lovely job but if the capping was straight it would bar a small bit of capping none of the actual wall is in her property. My main issue would be that she's claiming she owns it outright.

quinne22

the_pen_turner wrote: »

does it matter that she thinks she owns it.
what does the deeds show.


pop round and put a new tire on her car , you can now claim to own it because you spent money on it

Where the red brick and next door meet is the boundary line where there was once a steel railings.

I know I thought it was a bit silly to say once she paid for it she owned it regardless of where its built.

XsApollo

I’d be more mad that the wall isn’t down the centre presuming your on the left..... it looks that way?

Also if you now put caps on top of her caps do you now own the wall.

quinne22

XsApollo wrote: »

I’d be more mad that the wall isn’t down the centre presuming your on the left..... it looks that way?

Also if you now put caps on top of her caps do you now own the wall.

Yeah id be the house on the left. I don't think I'd be as annoyed if only half the wall was done in the granite stuff an the other half left the way we got it.

I know that's what I was thinking just put more cappings on and claim I own it now.

Plumbthedepths

quinne22 wrote: »

I've no problem at all with the finish, lovely job but if the capping was straight it would bar a small bit of capping none of the actual wall is in her property. My main issue would be that she's claiming she owns it outright.

She can claim what she likes but she's wrong. Just how far do you want to go to inform her she's wrong.

quinne22

quinne22 wrote: »

Yeah id be the house on the left. I don't think I'd be as annoyed if only half the wall was done in the granite stuff an the other half left the way we got it.

I know that's what I was thinking just put more cappings on and claim I own it now.

I also don't think the neighbour built the wall. Just being advantageous and has a neck like a jockeys bo**ox

pablo128

Tell her if it's hers, she has to take it off your property.

Anyway, what exactly is the issue?

the_pen_turner

i would annoyed about it too but what harm is it going forward. i would politly tell her she doesnt own it and move on. having a row abou it wont help anyone. worry about it down the line if it becomes a problem..


how did it come up that she thinks she now owns it

ldy4mxonucwsq6

If she says she owns it then tell her to move it off your property, it's a fair bit over on the redbrick side.

Had a similar problem with a neighbour who planted a dividing hedge (way over onto my side) some people have issues with boundaries it seems.

How long is the wall there? It might be there long enough to be considered the new boundary line in which case its shared (and in that case she needs agreement from you to carry out work on a party structure in the first place).

quinne22

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

She can claim what she likes but she's wrong. Just how far do you want to go to inform her she's wrong.

Id be willing to get a surveyor out to determine for definite if the wall was completely within our boundary bar a small piece of capping or if it was shared ownership. either way she would have to realise their wrong. They done the same thing on a smaller scale out the back. Granite stuff over a 100% boundary wall not just halfway. They just take liberties.

quinne22

pablo128 wrote: »

Tell her if it's hers, she has to take it off your property.

Anyway, what exactly is the issue?

Claiming full ownership of it and put a granite finish on it without asking permission as in her lying eyes as she built it she owns it

quinne22

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i would annoyed about it too but what harm is it going forward. i would politly tell her she doesnt own it and move on. having a row abou it wont help anyone. worry about it down the line if it becomes a problem..


how did it come up that she thinks she now owns it

When she got work done to her house she said she was getting the walls finished in granite type stuff (it was originally painted black like the rest of our wall) I said the wall wasnt her she said she paid for it so its hers. I said that's not how it works and they did it anyway.

the_pen_turner

Kathleen Ugly Bowl wrote: »

If she says she owns it then tell her to move it off your property, it's a fair bit over on the redbrick side.

Had a similar problem with a neighbour who planted a dividing hedge (way over onto my side) some people have issues with boundaries it seems.

How long is the wall there? It might be there long enough to be considered the new boundary line in which case its shared (and in that case she needs agreement from you to carry out work on a party structure in the first place).

clearly

the_pen_turner

quinne22 wrote: »

When she got work done to her house she said she was getting the walls finished in granite type stuff (it was originally painted black like the rest of our wall) I said the wall wasnt her she said she paid for it so its hers. I said that's not how it works and they did it anyway.

paint it black

quinne22

Kathleen Ugly Bowl wrote: »

If she says she owns it then tell her to move it off your property, it's a fair bit over on the redbrick side.

Had a similar problem with a neighbour who planted a dividing hedge (way over onto my side) some people have issues with boundaries it seems.

How long is the wall there? It might be there long enough to be considered the new boundary line in which case its shared (and in that case she needs agreement from you to carry out work on a party structure in the first place).

This person doesn't know what boundaries are. The wall would be there at least 10-15 years.

quinne22

the_pen_turner wrote: »

paint it black

I've been toying with this exact idea since they done it but my wife keeps saying not to.

I'll give you another example of what I'm up against. She asked me to move my bins away from the wall that's in my garden. I just ignored her. She's unbelievable.

antix80

Regarding the wall between my house and my neighbours.. My last neighbour painted 50 percent of the caps pink and it looked ridiculous. My current neighbour had a bit more cop and just painted his side of the wall and let me paint the caps a neutral colour.

So.. A previous poster said "paint it black".. Well, I wouldnt advise you to paint it black but I would advise you to paint it.. Ideally before she does the work, and if she presses ahead with cladding or whatever, paint it again to whatever colour you had it.

JustAThought

if it falls down and injures you/your child will she still be so adamant over it? Wall wars are common but you can be sure that it was expensive! Lets hope she dosnt want to glass the top or paint it awful colours! Have a chat with your local free legal aid about the boundary implications as it seems to be over on your side and if it dosnt have consequences maybe leave it and her be. Walls and capping are expensive - she might get over herself and the novelty wear off in a while - you dont want to be making laywers richer over painting rights or a hypothetical. My folks fell out badly with our lovely neighbours over a wall that their s-i-l built which collapsed into the rosebushes and fancy planting in my parents garden -it took years to resolve it and there is still bad blood If Id known how nasty it was going to get ;broomsticks and zimmerframes at dawn) I’d have replaced the wall myself.

the_pen_turner

antix80 wrote: »

Regarding the wall between my house and my neighbours.. My last neighbour painted 50 percent of the caps pink and it looked ridiculous. My current neighbour had a bit more cop and just painted his side of the wall and let me paint the caps a neutral colour.

So.. A previous poster said "paint it black".. Well, I wouldnt advise you to paint it black but I would advise you to paint it.. Ideally before she does the work, and if she presses ahead with cladding or whatever, paint it again to whatever colour you had it.

i was only half joking about painting it . althow the op would be entitly to do it. i would make sure it was 100%mine first though. bully need to be kept in their place

quinne22

antix80 wrote: »

Regarding the wall between my house and my neighbours.. My last neighbour painted 50 percent of the caps pink and it looked ridiculous. My current neighbour had a bit more cop and just painted his side of the wall and let me paint the caps a neutral colour.

So.. A previous poster said "paint it black".. Well, I wouldnt advise you to paint it black but I would advise you to paint it.. Ideally before she does the work, and if she presses ahead with cladding or whatever, paint it again to whatever colour you had it.

She already done the work (OP theres a picture) even though she was told she didn't own it so I'd be painting over her granite finish if I do paint it.

the_pen_turner

quinne22 wrote: »

I've been toying with this exact idea since they done it but my wife keeps saying not to.

I'll give you another example of what I'm up against. She asked me to move my bins away from the wall that's in my garden. I just ignored her. She's unbelievable.

you need a roll of this
https://www.lapwinguk.com/products/177-premium-duct-tape-300mm-x-50m
i would love to see her face when she would see it. bonus if you have the rest lovely and black as well.

antix80

quinne22 wrote: »

She already done the work (OP theres a picture) even though she was told she didn't own it so I'd be painting over her granite finish if I do paint it.

Don't paint the caps.. But what's the wall like? Hardly granite too?

If you can paint it, go ahead.. But don't damage granite if the wall is cladded. I'd plant loads of ivy. Add a few trellises if you can do it without causing damage. And maybe stick a nice compost bin against it too.

quinne22

JustAThought wrote: »

if it falls down and injures you/your child will she still be so adamant over it? Wall wars are common but you can be sure that it was expensive! Lets hope she dosnt want to glass the top or paint it awful colours! Have a chat with your local free legal aid about the boundary implications as it seems to be over on your side and if it dosnt have consequences maybe leave it and her be. Walls and capping are expensive - she might get over herself and the novelty wear off in a while - you dont want to be making laywers richer over painting rights or a hypothetical. My folks fell out badly with our lovely neighbours over a wall that their s-i-l built which collapsed into the rosebushes and fancy planting in my parents garden -it took years to resolve it and there is still bad blood If Id known how nasty it was going to get ;broomsticks and zimmerframes at dawn) I’d have replaced the wall myself.

Ah no id say the type of person they are they'd quickly forget they owned it if something like that happened. I don't want to fall out with them an if they had of just consulted with us or even just done half the wall I wouldn't even be bothered about how far over it is on my garden.

Just a total lack of respect.

Yeah id say something similar would happen if we went down the road of challenging them on the wall placement.

XsApollo

quinne22 wrote: »

I've been toying with this exact idea since they done it but my wife keeps saying not to.

I'll give you another example of what I'm up against. She asked me to move my bins away from the wall that's in my garden. I just ignored her. She's unbelievable.

I’d be getting the wall off my property.

quinne22

antix80 wrote: »

Don't paint the caps.. But what's the wall like? Hardly granite too?

If you can paint it, go ahead.. But don't damage granite if the wall is cladded. I'd plant loads of ivy. Add a few trellises if you can do it without causing damage. And maybe stick a nice compost bin against it too.

Wall is just blocks on my side. Might look into the ivy and compost bin😂

quinne22

the_pen_turner wrote: »

you need a roll of this
https://www.lapwinguk.com/products/177-premium-duct-tape-300mm-x-50m
i would love to see her face when she would see it. bonus if you have the rest lovely and black as well.

Would be a mastercard moment I'd say if I done that on the wall lol

quinne22

XsApollo wrote: »

I’d be getting the wall off my property.

Well if I get a surveyor out and he says it's totally on our property it'll be a gamechanger. I'll have a much stronger position to approach them with.

the_pen_turner

are you sure they are new caps. surely they would fit new one straight
the front ones are a perfect match shape wise and the join is perfect.

could they have used some kind of epoxy stone effect on them , if there is such a thing

antix80

quinne22 wrote: »

Well if I get a surveyor out and he says it's totally on our property it'll be a gamechanger. I'll have a much stronger position to approach them with.

It's unlikely its completely on your side. Sounds like a boundary wall.
If it is, you need to act fast and get your solicitor to write a letter explaining something to that effect.

Not trying to be rude or anything, OP, but is this an argument just for the sake of an argument?

It's a fairly generic wall capping, so I can't really see the issue? Are you really that set against it? You know (as does she, I'm sure) that the wall is a boundary wall and not entirely hers. For the sake of a quiet life, I wouldn't bother having the argument with her, unless you actually need to.

If you just want to annoy her, when she's at home, go into your phone's ringtones, then go out and start acting like you're taking loads of photos of the wall. When she comes out to ask what you're doing, tell her it's nothing, it's not important, not to worry about it, then set your ringtone off. Answer the phone and say 'Yes, this is OP, yeah I'm actually looking at it right now, do you reckon I'd make much out of it? Well I was talking to the Director of Services in the Council...' or something equally vague and annoying, and then go into your house, continuing your pretend conversation, giving her a polite nod of acknowledgement.

It'll wreck her head for weeks wondering what you were up to with the wall. She'll be waiting for a letter in the post or something. It'll torment her :pac:

quinne22

the_pen_turner wrote: »

are you sure they are new caps. surely they would fit new one straight
the front ones are a perfect match shape wise and the join is perfect.

could they have used some kind of epoxy stone effect on them , if there is such a thing

Yes the granite effect is just a mixture that was put on the wall was originally black like the front capping of our house.

quinne22

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not trying to be rude or anything, OP, but is this an argument just for the sake of an argument?

It's a fairly generic wall capping, so I can't really see the issue? Are you really that set against it? You know (as does she, I'm sure) that the wall is a boundary wall and not entirely hers. For the sake of a quiet life, I wouldn't bother having the argument with her, unless you actually need to.

If you just want to annoy her, when she's at home, go into your phone's ringtones, then go out and start acting like you're taking loads of photos of the wall. When she comes out to ask what you're doing, tell her it's nothing, it's not important, not to worry about it, then set your ringtone off. Answer the phone and say 'Yes, this is OP, yeah I'm actually looking at it right now, do you reckon I'd make much out of it? Well I was talking to the Director of Services in the Council...' or something equally vague and annoying, and then go into your house, continuing your pretend conversation, giving her a polite nod of acknowledgement.

It'll wreck her head for weeks wondering what you were up to with the wall. She'll be waiting for a letter in the post or something. It'll torment her :pac:

It was a generic capping painted black (same as rest of our cappings) but then the neighbour decided after getting work she was going to claim full ownership of the wall and do what she pleased to it (even though she was told that wasn't true) an put the granite effect stuff on it.

I'm just thinking if I paint the front capping and the ones on the wall the opposite side which is ours what am I supposed to do with the wall she's just put all granite effect stuff on? It'll look a bit out of place id have much rathered she painted the granite stuff on half it. I wouldn't even be bothered just their attitude stinks.

Still waters

Get a life ffs

antix80

Still waters wrote: »

Get a life ffs

No harm, but that can be the response to pretty much every discussion and every reply on both boards and in the real world.

However, it's a discussion forum and no one's forcing you to participate. See ya

Phoebas

Why does it matter who 'owns' the wall?

Can't you just agree to give the wall it's freedom.

quinne22

Still waters wrote: »

Get a life ffs

Very helpful advice thanks.

quinne22

Phoebas wrote: »

Why does it matter who 'owns' the wall?

Can't you just agree to give the wall it's freedom.

It didn't until she decided they owned it and put all the granite stuff on it. As I've said numerous times here if she had only done half like a responsibile neighbour would I wouldn't have an issue.

looksee

I have read this thread in disbelief. OP, your front wall is the scruffy black painted bit and you have bins in front of the house (I realise that can't be helped, but it doesn't look much). You are arguing about some perfectly harmless capping put on a bit of wall between you and the neighbour. Now granted it isn't absolutely straight, though the photo would distort it, and it is marginally over on your side, but otherwise its a wall between two houses.

She 'thinks' she owns it. So? She may think she is queen of the may, it does not make it so. What difference does it make? You have had 15 years to dispute exactly where the wall is, why start fussing now? If is makes you happy, paint your side of the capping black, make sure it is scruffy and a bit scraped off, in keeping with your wall. You could even make sure you go a bit down the other side to mark exactly where the dividing line is.

Or you could just get on with your life and find something more important to worry about. Like the actual problem, which is that her improvements make your house look scruffy. Could that possibly be it?

Balmed Out

I'd be delighted if a neighbour claimed ownership and maintenance of our boundary.

Phoebas

quinne22 wrote: »

It didn't until she decided they owned it and put all the granite stuff on it. As I've said numerous times here if she had only done half like a responsibile neighbour would I wouldn't have an issue.

But you like the granite your neighbour put on it, so you're actually benefitting from it.

Don't worry about what your neighbour 'thinks' about owning it.

Effects

quinne22 wrote: »

When she got work done to her house she said she was getting the walls finished in granite type stuff

quinne22 wrote: »

Yes the granite effect is just a mixture that was put on the wall was originally black like the front capping of our house.

You mean the pebble dash type stuff like on the wall of the house in the picture? Looks grand. She made the wall look better, and added capping. Shouldn't really be a big deal. She improved your wall and it cost you nothing.

quinne22 wrote: »

Wall is just blocks on my side. Might look into the ivy and compost bin

Or you could get a plasterer to do your side, make it look nicer, and be happy.

I had a neighbour build a wall between our driveways one summer when I was away for a month. He had his side finished with plaster, and our side just block.
I didn't complain as he didn't ask me to pay for half the cost!

quinne22

looksee wrote: »

I have read this thread in disbelief. OP, your front wall is the scruffy black painted bit and you have bins in front of the house (I realise that can't be helped, but it doesn't look much). You are arguing about some perfectly harmless capping put on a bit of wall between you and the neighbour. Now granted it isn't absolutely straight, though the photo would distort it, and it is marginally over on your side, but otherwise its a wall between two houses.

She 'thinks' she owns it. So? She may think she is queen of the may, it does not make it so. What difference does it make? You have had 15 years to dispute exactly where the wall is, why start fussing now? If is makes you happy, paint your side of the capping black, make sure it is scruffy and a bit scraped off, in keeping with your wall. You could even make sure you go a bit down the other side to mark exactly where the dividing line is.

Or you could just get on with your life and find something more important to worry about. Like the actual problem, which is that her improvements make your house look scruffy. Could that possibly be it?

Firstly neighbour also has bins in the front garden just at the end so not in photo.

Secondly we haven't lived in the house for 15 years that was someone asking how long I thought the wall was there. We are here much more recently than that but I'll take your decorative tips on board.

mad m

Came across arguments like this in past. Council own a house on one side while its owned privately on other. see pic.

House on left side would argue over boundaries.

pablo128

mad m wrote: »

Came across arguments like this in past. Council own a house on one side while its owned privately on other. see pic.

House on left side would argue the boundary between houses is the actual rain water drain off from downpipe when its not.

So where is the boundary?

mad m

pablo128 wrote: »

So where is the boundary?

Sorry I wasn't clear, Its generally down middle of downpipe, just some build wall where railing would be then once house changes ownership then the arguments start.

quinne22

mad m wrote: »

Came across arguments like this in past. Council own a house on one side while its owned privately on other. see pic.

House on left side would argue the boundary between houses is the actual rain water drain off from downpipe when its not.

Yeah I know what you mean, where our porches are adjoined where the red brick meets her dry dash that's where the old railings would have been judging by neighbours who haven't done any work at all to their houses.