Is 44 too old to Start a 4 year Degree & Change Career?

Irish_peppa

Hi All just wondering Realistically Am I wasting my time to be even considering starting a 4 year degree (BSC in Environmental Health) to hopefully become an Envoirnmental Health officer? I would be 48 graduating college:o. I am currently working in general office work in Private Sector for my whole life and its going nowhere and i feel unfilfilled. I have allways had an interest in environmental affairs , biology I even did well Home Economics Social And Science.
Do i follow my dreams or are my dreams just that PIPE DREAMS. My main concern is if after 4 years I didnt get a job with my degree i would be near 50 Unemployed :eek:

Happy4all

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Hi All just wondering Am I wasting my time to be even considering starting a 4 year degree (BSC in Environmental Health) to hopefully become an Envoirnmental Health officer? I would be 48 graduating college:o. I am currently working in general office work in Private Sector for my whole life and its going nowhere. I have allways had an interest in environmental affairs , biology I even did well Home Economics Social And Science.
Do i follow my dreams or are my dreams just that PIPE DREAMS. My main concern is if after 4 years I didnt get a job with my degree i would be near 50 Unemployed :eek:

I wouldn't let age put you off. I've no knowledge though if job availability in the industry

Irish_peppa

Irish_peppa wrote: »

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Do i follow my dreams or are my dreams just that PIPE DREAMS. My main concern is if after 4 years I didnt get a job with my degree i would be near 50 Unemployed :eek:

Worse case scenario you will be near 50 and going back to general office work in Private Sector with a degree
Do it if it tickles your fancy.
30 years ish of working years left, time is on your side IMO.

Alkers

Do you need to do a 4-year degree? Are there any others qualifications in the sector you could look at?
Are you eligible to do a masters?
Could you work part-time while studying part-time?

Irish_peppa

Alkers wrote: »

Do you need to do a 4-year degree? Are there any others qualifications in the sector you could look at?
Are you eligible to do a masters?
Could you work part-time while studying part-time?

Hi Alkers yes to be a EHO you need the 4 year degree. I have a leaving cert thats it. I have done ZERO upskilling:o
I thought a masters came after a degree. I dont think I would be able to skip the degree and go straight to masters.
I was thinking to work part time if i get a job Im currently unemployed so was considering to do the Degree via springboard:)

ShaneODub

How are you fixed pension-wise? That might be a factor. If you don't work for four years, you're not making contributions towards a state pension, and if you only work part-time, you may not have spare funds to contribute to a private pension.

Alkers

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Hi Alkers yes to be a EHO you need the 4 year degree. I have a leaving cert thats it. I have done ZERO upskilling:o
I thought a masters came after a degree. I dont think I would be able to skip the degree and go straight to masters.
I was thinking to work part time if i get a job Im currently unemployed so was considering to do the Degree via springboard:)

I didn't realise you were unemployed at the moment, that changes things considerably!

I thought you were looking to get into Health & Safety & Environmental in general as opposed to going for one particular role - an EHO. As this is a public appointment, I don't recommend you focus entirely on that role. They might not recruit when you are qualified, there may be lots of applicants when you apply etc.

If an EHO is a job you think you would like, there are surely other roles which are similar and which might require less than a 4-year degree as a minimum. There are loads of Health & Safety consultants for example who started out in construction and then did a NEBOSH certificate for example: https://www.cmse.ie/nebosh-certificate-in-environmental-management/

Look at the entry requirements for some Masters programmes, they don't always require a degree if you can argue that some of your experience is relevant.

I'm not all to familiar with Springboard but have heard good things, if it's possible I would consider a Cert or Diploma first as you may get a job out of one of those in something you like rather than having to wait 4 full years.

LeBash

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Hi All just wondering Realistically Am I wasting my time to be even considering starting a 4 year degree (BSC in Environmental Health) to hopefully become an Envoirnmental Health officer? I would be 48 graduating college:o. I am currently working in general office work in Private Sector for my whole life and its going nowhere and i feel unfilfilled. I have allways had an interest in environmental affairs , biology I even did well Home Economics Social And Science.
Do i follow my dreams or are my dreams just that PIPE DREAMS. My main concern is if after 4 years I didnt get a job with my degree i would be near 50 Unemployed :eek:

If money isnt going to be a major issue, go for it. You'll still have 17 years working after that. Main thing is to think of your post work life. Will you get a full pension etc. No point in being miserable in your job then thinking back of how the last 17 years could have been.

OMM 0000

You are not too old.

You only have one life.

You have to live it the way you want to live it.

My only advice to you is beware of ageism. So try to incorporate your previous work experience into your new qualification when looking for new jobs, so you're not competing with fresh graduates.

Good luck!

Lamar Davis

I'll graduate in 18 months which ill be 50,It is never to late,Good luck..

C3PO

After being self-employed all my life, I got a job and went back to education 4 years ago at 54! Started with a Level 6 course and all going to plan I'll have a BSc in June and hopefully go on to a Masters then .... loving it! Never too late!

Irish_peppa

ShaneODub wrote: »

How are you fixed pension-wise? That might be a factor. If you don't work for four years, you're not making contributions towards a state pension, and if you only work part-time, you may not have spare funds to contribute to a private pension.

I am also slightly embarressed to say i have ZERO paid into any pension fund not a dime. Thats why im trying to figure out albeit slightly late a plan to try and get better earnings and a job i enjoy also. As you can see im not that organised

Irish_peppa

Alkers wrote: »

I didn't realise you were unemployed at the moment, that changes things considerably!

I thought you were looking to get into Health & Safety & Environmental in general as opposed to going for one particular role - an EHO. As this is a public appointment, I don't recommend you focus entirely on that role. They might not recruit when you are qualified, there may be lots of applicants when you apply etc.

If an EHO is a job you think you would like, there are surely other roles which are similar and which might require less than a 4-year degree as a minimum. There are loads of Health & Safety consultants for example who started out in construction and then did a NEBOSH certificate for example: https://www.cmse.ie/nebosh-certificate-in-environmental-management/

Look at the entry requirements for some Masters programmes, they don't always require a degree if you can argue that some of your experience is relevant.

I'm not all to familiar with Springboard but have heard good things, if it's possible I would consider a Cert or Diploma first as you may get a job out of one of those in something you like rather than having to wait 4 full years.

Thanks Alkers, Im not that familiar with all this but thats some great advice. Ill check out CMSE this evening. ill take your advice and put my head down and check out all options for masters etc:)
Thanks for reply

Irish_peppa

Lamar Davis wrote: »

I'll graduate in 18 months which ill be 50,It is never to late,Good luck..

Wow thats brilliant fair play I hope to emulate you.:)

Irish_peppa

C3PO wrote: »

After being self-employed all my life, I got a job and went back to education 4 years ago at 54! Started with a Level 6 course and all going to plan I'll have a BSc in June and hopefully go on to a Masters then .... loving it! Never too late!

HI C3PO That definitly gives me confidence to check things out college wise. Did you go back full time or part time?
cheers peppa

JustAThought

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I am also slightly embarressed to say i have ZERO paid into any pension fund not a dime. Thats why im trying to figure out albeit slightly late a plan to try and get better earnings and a job i enjoy also. As you can see im not that organised

check out LinkedIn and search environmental consultants in Dublin/Ireland and you will see how many of them are not paid for their jobs or working for free as ‘consultants’ or foc with charities . I know a lot of highly specialised and seriously qualified environmental folk - most unpaid or working in their field ar weekends and nights for charities or rescues but keeping the day job. Honestly you’d ve lucky at 50 to walk out at that level as a just qualified grad with zero field or industry experience and walk into a highly paid job. Youd be better to train for 4 years as an accountant and the you could afford to spend the 10k doing a masters in environment science or environmwntal plnning masters in queens at night and know you would still have a guaranteed career, income and chance of good future ahead of you. that said you could always be extremely lucky or plan to live happy and in poverty for the rest of your life.

C3PO

Irish_peppa wrote: »

HI C3PO That definitly gives me confidence to check things out college wise. Did you go back full time or part time?
cheers peppa

Part-time. Did a Level 6 in Property and Facility Management DIT (now TU) in the evenings. Now doing a BSc in Quantity Surveying with Sligo IT who have a really comprehensive online programme. All going to plan I intend to then do either a Level 8 or Masters in Project Management.
I'm very lucky that my employer is supportive in terms of fees and study/exam leave.
Apart from personal satisfaction, my main reasoning for returning to education is that, having had a tough time during the recession, I have few pension entitlements (apart from the State pension) ..... I will be working for as long as I'm fit and able!!

Irish_peppa

JustAThought wrote: »

check out LinkedIn and search environmental consultants in Dublin/Ireland and you will see how many of them are not paid for their jobs or working for free as ‘consultants’ or foc with charities . I know a lot of highly specialised and seriously qualified environmental folk - most unpaid or working in their field ar weekends and nights for charities or rescues but keeping the day job. Honestly you’d ve lucky at 50 to walk out at that level as a just qualified grad with zero field or industry experience and walk into a highly paid job. Youd be better to train for 4 years as an accountant and the you could afford to spend the 10k doing a masters in environment science or environmwntal plnning masters in queens at night and know you would still have a guaranteed career, income and chance of good future ahead of you. that said you could always be extremely lucky or plan to live happy and in poverty for the rest of your life.

Good Point maybe ill pursue a degree in something closer to my current industry which I like. That way ill have years of experience too. There are other areas like Office Management I could get into. Many thanks for input Much appreciated its great to get info like this.

Irish_peppa

C3PO wrote: »

Part-time. Did a Level 6 in Property and Facility Management DIT (now TU) in the evenings. Now doing a BSc in Quantity Surveying with Sligo IT who have a really comprehensive online programme. All going to plan I intend to then do either a Level 8 or Masters in Project Management.
I'm very lucky that my employer is supportive in terms of fees and study/exam leave.
Apart from personal satisfaction, my main reasoning for returning to education is that, having had a tough time during the recession, I have few pension entitlements (apart from the State pension) ..... I will be working for as long as I'm fit and able!!

I did look at facilities management believe it or not as I was thinking that could be an area I could do well in as i have spent years in an SME working in all aspects of it (as it was quite small so we were expected to be hands on everywhere including warehouse) I might give that area some consideration too. Thats good your employer helping out. My previous employer i Did approach him a few times about upskilling and he would say its not in company budget :rolleyes: I even did a quick evening course I funded myself word processing. he even complained that I had to leave 10 mins early to attend once a week:rolleyes:

shanec1928

Definitely not. When I was doing my degree we had one man in his 60s, one or two in 50s and several in 40s

Rikand

You're never too old to be happy


A good idea might be to find a course/college that are linked with a particular company. In AIT, a lot of software graduates get jobs in Ericsson as both have a relationship with each other and some of the software courses are tailored towards working in Ericsson itself. Look to see if there are any colleges that are linked with companies for environmental health roles. it will help navigate a smooth transition from study to work. A lot of graduates in their 40's in AIT went straight into Ericsson with good software degrees

Irish_peppa

Alkers wrote: »

I didn't realise you were unemployed at the moment, that changes things considerably!

I thought you were looking to get into Health & Safety & Environmental in general as opposed to going for one particular role - an EHO. As this is a public appointment, I don't recommend you focus entirely on that role. They might not recruit when you are qualified, there may be lots of applicants when you apply etc.

If an EHO is a job you think you would like, there are surely other roles which are similar and which might require less than a 4-year degree as a minimum. There are loads of Health & Safety consultants for example who started out in construction and then did a NEBOSH certificate for example: https://www.cmse.ie/nebosh-certificate-in-environmental-management/

Look at the entry requirements for some Masters programmes, they don't always require a degree if you can argue that some of your experience is relevant.

I'm not all to familiar with Springboard but have heard good things, if it's possible I would consider a Cert or Diploma first as you may get a job out of one of those in something you like rather than having to wait 4 full years.

Alkers Apparently my 20 years of experience may stand to me. I had no idea experience could get you into a Masters. Just researched this on Portobello on their facilities Management masters:
Its 9k thou so ill just keep checking smaller courses first maybe cert diploma etc. Thanks for info

Entry using Experiential Learning

Students may apply for entry to the MSc Faciliites & Workplace Management using experience gained in the workplace in place of prior educational qualifications if they meet ONE of the following criteria. Applications are reviewed on a case by case basis with practical management knowledge a key criteria for entry via this route.

-A minimum of 3 years experience in a senior role at management level
-Significant work experience in an operational role.
That has totally blown my mind as I had told myself that was 20 years wasted no upskilling and started to panic. Their just might be light at the end of the tunnel here lads. I very much appreciate all your replies. I assume a masters degree is very hard but hey theres gotta be some pain

edit_me

Currently doing L8 online course in IT Sligo. I would say that average person coming to sit exams - 35 to 55 years old.
So yes - not too late.

august12

Search the springboard site first and see if there is anything suitable there, at least you wouldn't have to worry about finances and some courses can be completed from the comfort of your own home,

manor

Used springboard last year to do a Higher Diploma in Supply Ghain. 1 year course with the option to do the Masters next year. I am 51 .Also starting new job in three weeks time so it does pay off.

doughef

Like a lot of people have said ...

Work / life experience can bypass the need to have a degree before you do a masters !

I went to college 20 years ago / flunked out of it.
Never completed a cert, diploma or degree.

Now I’m in 2nd year of an MSc


It can be done !!

Irish_peppa

manor wrote: »

Used springboard last year to do a Higher Diploma in Supply Ghain. 1 year course with the option to do the Masters next year. I am 51 .Also starting new job in three weeks time so it does pay off.

Thats encouraging Manor im thinking the jump career might lead to more stress ultimately. I should look for courses in what i have been doing too. I have the springboard courses open on my laptop now:)
51 I tip my hat to you sir. Had you any third level education before?
My CV has lots of experience but my education section is just Leaving Cert Passed 20 years ago

Irish_peppa

doughef wrote: »

Like a lot of people have said ...

Work / life experience can bypass the need to have a degree before you do a masters !

I went to college 20 years ago / flunked out of it.
Never completed a cert, diploma or degree.

Now I’m in 2nd year of an MSc


It can be done !!

Thanks doughef there is an avalanche of course info and its hard to digest. I assumed my only path to a good job was degree i didnt realise there were allowances made for experience thats a revelation. I thought you had to have a degree to get a masters. My unemployment might be a problem thou as springboard only do a handful of masters courses. So it might be something I can do when I get a job soon hopefully . Thanks for advice:)
PS i did try a course in Portobello privately 19 years ago but flunked out as maths was too hard too:cool:

whiskeyman

doughef wrote: »

Like a lot of people have said ...

Work / life experience can bypass the need to have a degree before you do a masters !

I went to college 20 years ago / flunked out of it.
Never completed a cert, diploma or degree.

Now I’m in 2nd year of an MSc


It can be done !!

Great to here!
I did similar and now have my MSc.
Be sure to check the course is right for you OP.
Many colleges have Recognition of Prior Experiential Learning (RPEL) which can see you bypass certain qualifications if you want to go further and do a degree / Masters.
Even the fact that you are studying shows huge commitment and will stand to you.
Talk to welfare officers too if finances are hard. There may be bursary funds available for you.
Best of luck.

galwayllm

Not a chance!

I done it at 36 thinking the same thing. But that time went by like time does and it was the best decision ever, now I have my law degree and starting a new life and job in Oz in 9 mths.

Irish_peppa

galwayllm wrote: »

Not a chance!

I done it at 36 thinking the same thing. But that time went by like time does and it was the best decision ever, now I have my law degree and starting a new life and job in Oz in 9 mths.

Its great to hear these stories from all you guys. so its not off to the glue factory for me yet. Im going to knock the Environmental officer job on the head. Its too risky and as a previous poster said 50 years of age with a degree BUT zero experience,,,, Just a tad to risky and im risk averse.
So what I shall do is some sort of Management course. As it links to what i have done in the past. And Im going to keep looking for upskilling oppurtunities no matter how small course here and course their. My biggest regret career wise was ZERO upskilling and not starting a pension policy. :rolleyes:

kuro2k

This might be of interest to you, diploma after 2 years and part-time

http://www.ucd.ie/quinn/courses/part-timediplomadegreedbsbbs/

galwayllm

Well best of luck whatever your endeavor!

BrianD3

Have people actually read the first post or just jumped in after reading the thread title? A law degree or a software engineering degree are different propositions than an environmental health degree with the aim of getting an EHO position with the HSE.

If you are going to start college at 44 with the aim of getting a job out of it you better be damn sure that you're making the right choice. It's very different than starting a degree at age 18 and deciding 4 years later that you made an error.

Starting salary for a HSE EHO is 38750 and working conditions are shambolic. There is massive competition to get into many public service jobs. Lots of people out there with health and safety qualifications who can't secure decent employment. Too many graduates and not enough value placed on the work.

Occupational H&S is regarded a necessary evil by employers. Environmental H&S is either public service or seems to get lumped in with Environmental Science. In any case:

Environmental H&S
Occupational H&S
Environmental Science
"HSQE"

Are all poor career choices


My advice to the OP would be to try to build on the admin experience you have and move towards a more managerial or financial role. Maybe think about accountancy exams as suggested by another poster.

Green farmer

Always a demand for accountants in the good and bad times. But it has to be an area that the O.P has an interest in. Overall I think its brilliant the O.P is considering a change. New opportunities will open up no matter what road you choose. It's only when you start looking to see what's out there. I'm the same age and situation myself. Someone told me to do up my c.v . Its only when you do this, that you start to realise how much experience you actually have. Chances are, you've more then you realise. Best of luck anyway !!!

banie01

OP, not too old at all.
I'm 40 and in the 1st year of a 4yr degree with what I hope will be a master's to follow.

I do have the cushion of zero mortgage and a kid that's approaching his own financial independence too.
Even with those advantages and a 50% fees grant the cost can be significant.

Retraining is becoming the new normal, longer til retirement and less jobs available due to automation and machine learning mean that unless you are upskilling or at the very least possessed of increasingly rare "manual" skills that it is only going to become harder and harder as middle aged and older folk, to stay gainfully employed.

Good luck whatever you decide.

Mrs OBumble

OP, be very careful.

As soon as you hit 49.5, it's becomes a lot harder to get an interview, much less a job.

That said, one of the good things about doing a degree now is that when they see a more-recent degree-completed date, many companies assume you're young. Or at least their computer doesn't prevent them from even considering you.

I'd advise building on whatever industry knowledge and connections you already have, not trying to start again in a whole new industry.

Alkers

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP, be very careful.

As soon as you hit 49.5, it's becomes a lot harder to get an interview, much less a job.

That said, one of the good things about doing a degree now is that when they see a more-recent degree-completed date, many companies assume you're young. Or at least their computer doesn't prevent them from even considering you.

I'd advise building on whatever industry knowledge and connections you already have, not trying to start again in a whole new industry.

You can write your CV so it's not immediately obvious how old you are

Alkers

BrianD3 wrote: »

Occupational H&S is regarded a necessary evil by employers. Environmental H&S is either public service or seems to get lumped in with Environmental Science. In any case:

Environmental H&S
Occupational H&S
Environmental Science
"HSQE"

Are all poor career choices

This isn't my experience at all.

Occupational H&S in many cases is a legal requirement so there will always be a demand for it and it is only going to get more onerous and require more resources going forward.

I don't think employers would consider it any more of a burden than say a HR department or accounts department, particularly once you are talking about reasonably sized organisations.

My OH is an occupational H&S officer / HSEQ Consultant and she earns considerably more than I do and has an interesting, diverse and engaging career across several industries.

Irish_peppa

Alkers wrote: »

You can write your CV so it's not immediately obvious how old you are

Then you walk in with Grey hair
Me::P
Interviewing Panel:eek::eek::eek:

Irish_peppa

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP, be very careful.

As soon as you hit 49.5, it's becomes a lot harder to get an interview, much less a job.

That said, one of the good things about doing a degree now is that when they see a more-recent degree-completed date, many companies assume you're young. Or at least their computer doesn't prevent them from even considering you.

I'd advise building on whatever industry knowledge and connections you already have, not trying to start again in a whole new industry.

Yes im very conscious of ageism and time now. Something I ignored before. I think yes building on my past and upskilling to get a better paid and more satisfying job, anything else would be playing with fire might work out great! Might be disaster.

anewme

Can I ask why you are unemployed at the moment? Sorry if I missed it in the thread.

I would recommend the part time degree while keeping working.

Irish_peppa

anewme wrote: »

Can I ask why you are unemployed at the moment? Sorry if I missed it in the thread.

I would recommend the part time degree while keeping working.

I was sick for nearly 2 years so that put my career on hold.
I have been sending out cvs to jobs I am qualified for but not much interest. I think possibly my complete lack of education / upskilling since I only did the leaving and dropped out of a college course in first year does not look well.
When i say no upskilling i mean ZERO not even a nightcourse. Not even a Word processing course. Everything I learned was learned on the job I have no certs, diplomas nothing. My own fault of course.

I think I know what im doing now:cool:

Part time Degree - Building upon my 20 years of experience - Office Management .. facilities management..... Retail Management

anewme

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I was sick for nearly 2 years so that put my career on hold.
I have been sending out cvs to jobs I am qualified for but not much interest. I think possibly my complete lack of education / upskilling since I only did the leaving and dropped out of a college course in first year does not look well.
When i say no upskilling i mean ZERO not even a nightcourse. Not even a Word processing course. Everything I learned was learned on the job I have no certs, diplomas nothing. My own fault of course.

I think I know what im doing now:cool:

Part time Degree - Building upon my 20 years of experience - Office Management .. facilities management..... Retail Management

Hope you are better.

Was not being nosey. The reason I was asking is there is almost full employment now.

Project Management is also a growth area.

In order for you to get back into the workforce, would it be worth getting some career coaching and advice to re write your CV/LinkedIn Profile to show your best skills? For example, I would not be mentioning on my CV that I dropped out of college 20 years ago.

I'd be a bit afraid you are sabotaging yourself, due to your lack of confidence. So, you learned a lot of your skills through work experience rather than certs. That's a positive. You need the right sell though.

Also not sure where you are based OP? But if its Dublin, there are many jobs, I'd even take a Call Centre job to get back out there.

Irish_peppa

anewme wrote: »

Hope you are better.

Was not being nosey. The reason I was asking is there is almost full employment now.

Project Management is also a growth area.

In order for you to get back into the workforce, would it be worth getting some career coaching and advice to re write your CV/LinkedIn Profile to show your best skills? For example, I would not be mentioning on my CV that I dropped out of college 20 years ago.

I'd be a bit afraid you are sabotaging yourself, due to your lack of confidence. So, you learned a lot of your skills through work experience rather than certs. That's a positive. You need the right sell though.

Also not sure where you are based OP? But if its Dublin, there are many jobs, I'd even take a Call Centre job to get back out there.

I actually went to a career coach at 100 Euro per hour went 5 times, maybe he wasnt good but everything he was telling me was fairly common sense stuff. He looked over my cv and said thats good. He spell checked it and changed some grammer nothing else. Due to dropping out of college I have deleted it completely from CV . The career coach said dont even put your Leaving Cert on your cv as its 20 years ago. But that means I have no Education section in my CV. He reckons thats fine my experience will negate that
We spent 1 hour just going through jobs.ie he wanted me to come back but I couldnt afford it.
. Im not so sure. I actually was offered 1 minimum wage job but after I did the calculations it was costing me more to take the job then I am getting on welfare if you can beleive that:eek: So it would have been costing me to take the job when i took into account transport.
I considered taking it but then thought it could look bad on my cv that i had bone backwards taking a minimum wage job . I might look at the call centre jobs. thanks:)

C3PO

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Part time Degree - Building upon my 20 years of experience - Office Management .. facilities management..... Retail Management

Check out Sligo ITs, Property & Facility Management course. Run in conjunction with the SCSI and accessed online. Plenty of work in Facilities these days.

Irish_peppa

C3PO wrote: »

Check out Sligo ITs, Property & Facility Management course. Run in conjunction with the SCSI and accessed online. Plenty of work in Facilities these days.

When you say Facilities, does that mean factories? Or could it mean anything from Apartment blocks to small family companies with a handfull of employees? When I hear facilities manager i intially get a scare as I think Massive Pharma Complex with thousands of EMployess of the Dell Plant in Leixlip
Thats very interesting C3PO. I see Sligo IT website is down but I have added it to my notes

https://www.itsligo.ie/
https://www.itsligo.ie/courses/higher-cert-property-services-facilities-management/

Irish_peppa

C3PO wrote: »

Check out Sligo ITs, Property & Facility Management course. Run in conjunction with the SCSI and accessed online. Plenty of work in Facilities these days.

I have been googling "Facilities Management" and its along the same lines allthough simplified version. Allthough my primary job was office. I used to look after maintaining the building. Calling cleaners, organising repairs, If any problems ie alarms going off I was the key holder. Organising trade shows. I used to make sure all the offices had supplies etc. I would also do ordering for the warehouse. I was a jack of all trades and actually master of them for that company:cool:

Mrs OBumble

Alkers wrote: »

You can write your CV so it's not immediately obvious how old you are

And then they say "What year did you complete your degree?" ... and I say 198-mumble. No amount of leaving off early career jobs or hair dye can hide that.

Irish_peppa

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And then they say "What year did you complete your degree?" ... and I say 198-mumble. No amount of leaving off early career jobs or hair dye can hide that.

:pac:

Tom Dunne

Another option to consider is a Springboard course. These are government funded, depending on the course, you may have to pay only 10% of the actual fee.



Some of them are a year long, some are two years. www.springboardcourses.ie


Next batch start in September, some are full-time, some are part-time. All are less than 4 years.