Octavia or Rapid?

CPTM

Which would you go for, all things considered? It's for a young family, who will drive only 5-10k km per year.

https://www.autotrader.ie/browse-used-cars/skoda/octavia/used-2015-151-skoda-octavia-1-2-tsi-a-dublin-fpa-201911294886929

Or

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/skoda/rapid/fpa/201903206085322

Octavia is cheaper, but has had 3 owners in 4 years.. Rapid is slightly more expensive but has had just 1 owner with low mileage.

MarkN

There's a big difference in the mileage, it's hard to ignore. If it was a hatchback Rapid it might be a tougher choice as with kids you need a boot.

colm_mcm

Neither of them, but the Rapid at a push.

The Rapid is too expensive for what it is, and the Octavia is a bottom of the barrel example.

Don’t focus too much on the year and you’ll get better choices. Look at other brands too.

CPTM

What other brands would you recommend?. We've gone with skoda because aside from space, the only thing we care about is reliabilty.

Which cars are known to be reliable?

quenching

CPTM wrote: »

What other brands would you recommend?. We've gone with skoda because aside from space, the only thing we care about is reliabilty.

Which cars are known to be reliable?

Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Subaru. Pretty much any Japanese manufacturer, Mazda diesels don't have a good reputation but their petrols are good. Skoda are only "average" on reliability, as with all VW group cars. Stick with Japanese or newer Korean brand cars.

colm_mcm

CPTM wrote: »

What other brands would you recommend?. We've gone with skoda because aside from space, the only thing we care about is reliabilty.

Which cars are known to be reliable?

If reliability is a priority, I would probably ignore any turbocharged petrols as they’re just more of a risk than a normally aspirated engine. That’s not to say they’re all unreliable just more complex and more of a risk.
Rapid and Octavia petrols of this age are all turbocharged.

How many kids will you be carrying in the car?


I would probably look at the Kia Ceed/Hyundai i30 in your case. The boot isn’t as big as on the Octavia but still good for the class.

A Nissan Leaf might be worth considering too.

CPTM

colm_mcm wrote: »

If reliability is a priority, I would probably ignore any turbocharged petrols as they’re just more of a risk than a normally aspirated engine. That’s not to say they’re all unreliable just more complex and more of a risk.
Rapid and Octavia petrols of this age are all turbocharged.

How many kids will you be carrying in the car?


I would probably look at the Kia Ceed/Hyundai i30 in your case. The boot isn’t as big as on the Octavia but still good for the class.

A Nissan Leaf might be worth considering too.

Eventually 2 kids. I will have buggys and all those bits and Bob's for the next few years

colm_mcm

Any of those mentioned will be fine as long as you don’t go getting ridiculously sized strollers etc.

CPTM

CPTM wrote: »

Eventually 2 kids. I will have buggys and all those bits and Bob's for the next few years

Rapid might be a tad small so?

CPTM

Augeo wrote: »

Rapid might be a tad small so?

Would it really? I haven't seen it yet because it's a bit of a trek. A friend recommended it and said it was fine. I really dont want to be spending more than 10k though for something to drive to the shops every now and then. We'll drive 5k km in a year. I'm also aware that tax goes up dramatically for any car prior to 2015.

CPTM

Maybe this would be a better one

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Skoda/Octavia---NEW-YEARS-SALE--/201907150098383

In terms of boot size I mean

Stallingrad

Petrol Octavia is a near ideal family car, don't underestimate the importance of space. Get anything Golf class and you will continually frustrated by the boot size as the family grows.

colm_mcm

Boot size in both cars is very close.
Octavia has more cabin room and is more refined.

I’d reckon all those pure basic spec petrol octavias are ex rental and have had a hard enough life.

Odyssey 2005

CPTM wrote: »

Maybe this would be a better one

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Skoda/Octavia---NEW-YEARS-SALE--/201907150098383

In terms of boot size I mean

colm_mcm wrote: »

Boot size in both cars is very close.
Octavia has more cabin room and is more refined.

I’d reckon all those pure basic spec petrol octavias are ex rental and have had a hard enough life.

That one is almost definitely an ex rental. Doesn't even have metallic.

Stallingrad

colm_mcm wrote: »

Boot size in both cars is very close.

Octavia - 590 litres
Golf - 380 litres

That's a significant difference when you have kids!

CPTM

CPTM wrote: »

.......... I'm also aware that tax goes up dramatically for any car prior to 2015.

I don't think that's the case, do you mean 2008?

colm_mcm

Stallingrad wrote: »

Octavia - 590 litres
Golf - 380 litres

That's a significant difference when you have kids!

Comparing an Octavia and a Rapid

Octavia 590
Rapid 550

Didn’t see your post before mine

CPTM

Augeo wrote: »

I don't think that's the case, do you mean 2008?

Whoops, actually I think you're right there. I'm not sure why 2015 came into my head

CPTM

CPTM wrote: »

Eventually 2 kids. I will have buggys and all those bits and Bob's for the next few years

You need an estate, Octavia or preferably a superb if you can stretch to it. You will have so much more comfort than the hardship of packing stuff into small boots.

quenching

CPTM wrote: »

What other brands would you recommend?. We've gone with skoda because aside from space, the only thing we care about is reliabilty.

Which cars are known to be reliable?

If reliability is really the most important thing then you would be best to buy a Japanese car.

Honda Civic, they estate in BIG:
https://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/97

Skoda Octavia:
https://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/250

A Toyota Prius has a surprisingly large boot and is about the most reliable car you can get. I've had 2.

BENDYBINN

Stallingrad wrote: »

Octavia - 590 litres
Golf - 380 litres

That's a significant difference when you have kids!

How many litres of kids is he planning?

rustynutz

I had a Seat Toledo (exact same as Skoda Rapid, made in the same factory) a few years ago and had two young kids so buggies etc. and found the Toledo very spacious compared to other cars in the price range, we bought new at the time and there was nothing else in the price rage with more space. The 1.2 TSI engine was lovely also.

BENDYBINN

BENDYBINN wrote: »

How many litres of kids is he planning?

A modern buggy and carry cot will more or less fill a golf sized boot alone.

Odyssey 2005

I've driven a few Rapids and even more Octavias. There is a world of difference in,refinement, and comfort between them. Unless I had no option I'd pass on a rapid.

Mantis Toboggan

Might be worth having a look at a Tucson or sportage. Decent size level boots that you don't need to dip down into. Extra height a bonus. Great reliability also.

colm_mcm

You do know the Sportage and Tucson have smaller boots than the little Rapid in the OP?

Mantis Toboggan

colm_mcm wrote: »

You do know the Sportage and Tucson have smaller boots than the little Rapid in the OP?

I do but 513 litres isn't too shabby.

colm_mcm

Yeah but what’s the point in paying so much extra for a car that’ll barely get used? There is no extra space in a crossover.

Mantis Toboggan

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yeah but what’s the point in paying so much extra for a car that’ll barely get used? There is no extra space in a crossover.

True, if he's not really going to use it too much just get the cheapest thing you can find. Rapid looks ideal.

colm_mcm

OP Id look at the petrol Hyundai ix20 as well. Decent boot and a bit of height which is good for loading kids in and out.

Also very reliable powertrain, timing chain so no belt to worry about, and €280 tax.

Should get a 2017 for €11k

Lantus

I've had both and upgraded the rapid which is no longer sold to an octavia. Octavia is bigger and better. Very reliable and excellent resale value. Lots of octavia about so shop around. Great family car.

Casati

Lantus wrote: »

I've had both and upgraded the rapid which is no longer sold to an octavia. Octavia is bigger and better. Very reliable and excellent resale value. Lots of octavia about so shop around. Great family car.

Octavia 1.2 is a good engine, nice power and reliable too. The car itself will suit you but general rule don’t touch any with basic spec (hub caps) as they are likely ex taxi or rental and have basic 86bhp engine versus 105bhp in Style or Ambition spec

The Civic estate is a v good option too. Engine is 1.8 non turbo - think tax might be 390 a year but if you get over that you have a super reliable car with tonnes of space.

Any suv really in your budget is diesel which you should avoid with your tiny miles.

1.2 Seat Leon estate is similar to Octavia but cheaper if generally not quite as large inside and not as refined, and I’d put it on the list

Dravokivich

If concerned that an estate might be a bit "big," an Ibiza estate might be worth checking out too. It's pretty much a slightly bigger medium sized hatch back, with a decent size boot.

Now in saying that, my folks have had one from '13 and needed fan belts done twice. But my mother has put a very high amount of mileage on it.

colm_mcm

Is the rear seat area a bit tight in the Rapid/Ibiza, as in front seats very close? Might be an issue with child seats?

Dravokivich

Not really no. My mother has used it with the grandkids Who've only just gotten upto 6 years old now. My brother got one after having the hatchback, with his own kid that's 3. And he tends to get the really bulky car seats.

You'll only have room for 2 car seats in the back. But I think that's the same with everything else mentioned.

CPTM

I'm going to view this one tomorrow. The slightly smaller size of the Rapid has put me off. I think the boot space in this looks good. Comes with 1 year warranty.

https://www.carstore.ie/used-cars/10556807-%C5%A1koda-octavia-dublin-161-d19957/

colm_mcm

Jaysus another rental spec one. Doesn’t even have aircon.
You can do so much better than that for the money.

Have a look to size it up but PLEASE don’t actually buy it

CPTM

colm_mcm wrote: »

Jaysus another rental spec one. Doesn’t even have aircon.
You can do so much better than that for the money.

Have a look to size it up but PLEASE don’t actually buy it

Ah, no aircon is pretty weak these days in fairness. I'll check it out and see. I'm really struggling to find a better car around the 10k mark though.

colm_mcm

You’re focusing too much on the year.

Odyssey 2005

Too old ?. Looks a fine car all the same.


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-2013-1-2-elegance-5dr/23635925

User1998

Poverty spec cars don’t sit well with boardsies

bazz26

You can afford to be a bit fussy these days, it's not the 1990s.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

CPTM wrote: »

I'm going to view this one tomorrow. The slightly smaller size of the Rapid has put me off. I think the boot space in this looks good. Comes with 1 year warranty.

https://www.carstore.ie/used-cars/10556807-%C5%A1koda-octavia-dublin-161-d19957/

I've owned both Rapid and Octavia and would go for the Rapid if a choice between the two, there's loads of space and the boot is huge.

Plenty of room for five people to fit comfortably and back seat is wide so space for car seats if needed.

For me, I found I had more problems crop up with the Octavia and the Rapid is a much nicer drive.

colm_mcm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Too old ?. Looks a fine car all the same.


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-2013-1-2-elegance-5dr/23635925

Too old for the money and quite an old model now (that shape came out 16 years ago and is Mk5 Golf based)

colm_mcm

Nice 2014 Seat Leon SE Tech Pack here, €8500 plus €1500 VRT and Nox charge.
Seat main dealer selling it.

100 minutes from Dublin.

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2014-Seat-Leon-TSi-SE-Technology-1-2-TSi-SE-Technology-260392351?keywords=&make=27&model=1221&fuel_type=1&trans_type=0&age_from=2014&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&body_style=0&doors=999999&keywords=&tax_cost=999999&location%5B%5D=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1

Philb76

As others have said do yourself a favour and ignore that Octavia the fabia estate is a good car with the right engine and spec

Philb76

Also plus one for the seat leon they are a great car

CPTM

colm_mcm wrote: »

You’re focusing too much on the year.

colm_mcm wrote: »

Nice 2014 Seat Leon SE Tech Pack here, €8500 plus €1500 VRT and Nox charge.
Seat main dealer selling it.

100 minutes from Dublin.

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2014-Seat-Leon-TSi-SE-Technology-1-2-TSi-SE-Technology-260392351?keywords=&make=27&model=1221&fuel_type=1&trans_type=0&age_from=2014&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&body_style=0&doors=999999&keywords=&tax_cost=999999&location%5B%5D=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1

Thanks for that. I'm really not too fussy about the year so long as the yearly tax isn't too high. Initially I thought that was 2015. Also, if it's like this SEAT then great, but a lot of pre-2015 cars look a bit wrecked. I must take the NI cars a bit more seriously, I think it's a good tip.

CPTM

Hyundai I30s are leading the race at the moment. They seem to have the best reliability score, decent spec for 10k or less, with decent boot space.

Philb76

CPTM wrote: »

Hyundai I30s are leading the race at the moment. They seem to have the best reliability score, decent spec for 10k or less, with decent boot space.

The wife's niece went to Glasgow recently and got a 2015 Hyundai i30 petrol good spec for just under 9000 after everything travel and vrt same car up north was an extra 1500 pound if that's an option

CPTM

Philb76 wrote: »

The wife's niece went to Glasgow recently and got a 2015 Hyundai i30 petrol good spec for just under 9000 after everything travel and vrt same car up north was an extra 1500 pound if that's an option

Yes maybe that's an option for a really good spec car and decent savings. I'm definitely looking in the north of ireland anyways. Downside is if something goes wrong the dealer is too far away to fix it.