Attempted abduction in Dublin

The 2020s

Very disturbing news:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0106/1104665-dublin-abduction/

A man tried to force a woman in her 60s into a car in Blackhorse Avenue in Dublin this morning. She screamed and the man drove away in a silver saloon car.

Assetbacked

White shirt and dark trousers is not a great description but presumably it was difficult for the poor woman to process what happened.

boombang

Assetbacked wrote: »

White shirt and dark trousers is not a great description but presumably it was difficult for the poor woman to process what happened.

But no better description from the passing motorist?

The 2020s

This man could strike again and Gardaí are very keen to find him.

I must say it was a very brazen attack on the woman at that hour of the morning with all the traffic in the area. This man is very dangerous.

Who knows what would’ve happened had he succeeded in abducting her.

A woman in her 60s I a quote strange target, I would have thought that the most likely target would’ve been a teenage girl or young woman.

GolfNut33

The 2020s wrote: »

This man could strike again and Gardare very keen to find him.

I must say it was a very brazen attack on the woman at that hour of the morning with all the traffic in the area. This man is very dangerous.

Who knows what would’ve happened had he succeeded in abducting her.

A woman in her 60s I a quote strange target, I would have thought that the most likely target would’ve been a teenage girl or young woman.

You would assume and its certainly very unusual for a woman of that age to be abducted but it might not have been sexually motivated.

Beasty

Posts looking to trivialise this incident (plus one response) deleted

There were a few attempts like this in and around Griffith College when I was there some years back, terrifying stuff

X111111111111

This sounds like a very very dangerous man. The poor woman must not have seen his face as surely we'd have a decent description of his general age, facial features etc... Hope he's caught asap.

Spanish Eyes

Travel size hairspray and straight into the eyes. But I suppose that'll only work if you are not traumatised and manage to get the spray out. God love that woman.

I was a witness to a terrifying attack on a woman of a certain age recently, my legs went to jelly but I managed to get a good look at the attacker and saw the make and model of the car he jumped into also, not the reg though to my shame. Woman was OK in the end thankfully, I brought her to the nearby garage/shop and they were fantastic. I was too far away to intervene at the moment of attack. It was a bag snatch.

There is good in the world somehow. Referring to the shop owners not me.

walshb

This monster needs to be apprehended.

And women, as always, need to be so very careful and responsible when out and about.

7.30 is still pitch dark out, quiet enough as well...

walshb

GolfNut33 wrote: »

You would assume and its certainly very unusual for a woman of that age to be abducted but it might not have been sexually motivated.

The man saw someone. Age didn’t come into it. He was out to get a woman...

I doubt he was too specific as to her age, or even look. And when dark out, sure one could pass for any age..

Seth Brundle

walshb wrote: »

7.30 is still pitch dark out, quiet enough as well...

Id have thought that there would be plenty of commuters about at that time.

walshb

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Id have thought that there would be plenty of commuters about at that time.

Depends on the specific area...

Where she was attacked was not a main road. Quieter road, narrower road..

Was dark, not yet into the busy part of the morning.

It’s exactly why this monster chose that area...

Built up, open, well lit and busier road/area; he doesn’t attempt it.

Pawwed Rig

walshb wrote: »

The man saw someone. Age didn’t come into it. He was out to get a woman.

That is pure speculation on your part tbf.

It's a busy enough road at 7.30am , plenty of commuters around.
It's a very strange one....

walshb

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

That is pure speculation on your part tbf.

Of course. I am not the man.

But I think it’s a fair guess to assume he was out to abduct a woman, or person...

Soulsun

Plenty of cctv in that area ... confident they will nab him

Princess Calla

walshb wrote: »

7.30 is still pitch dark out, quiet enough as well...

They say early morning can be prime time for an attack...You're not fully awake, you're focused on getting to work/college/school or whatever so not fully concentrating on your surroundings.

Whereas coming home late at night you're more likely to be on "high alert " looking out to see who is around etc.

Hope the lady is ok both now and longterm.

walshb

Soulsun wrote: »

Plenty of cctv in that area ... confident they will nab him

Hope so. But dark out. Lot of this CCTV is crap. Hope they at least get a registration..

Vetch

Princess Calla wrote: »

They say early morning can be prime time for an attack...You're not fully awake, you're focused on getting to work/college/school or whatever so not fully concentrating on your surroundings.

Whereas coming home late at night you're more likely to be on "high alert " looking out to see who is around etc.

Hope the lady is ok both now and longterm.

This was just on the 9 o'clock news. The report said that the lady was out for a walk and normally walks in the Phoenix Park but didn't as it was dark.

Pawwed Rig

walshb wrote: »

But I think it’s a fair guess to assume he was out to abduct a woman, or person...

Of course.
Hope the poor lady is ok. Hopefully someone knows something. It is incidents like this that make me think about getting a dashcam.

eviltwin

It reminded me of the Jastine Valdez abduction and we know how that ended. I hope CCTV in the area is good enough to get an ID, it's scary to think something like this can happen. That area is well populated and you would imagine fairly busy at that time of morning.

Bigboldworld

Needs to be apprehended very quickly or would likely try again, hope the guards throw all their resources behind this, is there any description of him out there yet? Age of victim, location and time make this very unusual

05eaftqbrs9jlh

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Of course.
Hope the poor lady is ok. Hopefully someone knows something. It is incidents like this that make me think about getting a dashcam.

There's a great one in the bargain alert thread for under €40, I'm going to get it on my next payday. I live on the road in Cork where the guy was decapitated and dismembered and it looks like dashcam footage has been instrumental in the investigation so far.

walshb wrote: »

And women, as always, need to be so very careful and responsible when out and about.

On behalf of all women, thanks for your patronising "concerned" advice. Wait... are you threatening someone??!

walshb wrote: »

7.30 is still pitch dark out, quiet enough as well...

Which is why she didn't go to Phoenix Park like she usually would, but instead chose a busier area. She did nothing wrong except to go outside where there are men in 2020. It would be more helpful if you acknowledged that the incident is shocking and wrong instead of trying to lay blame with somebody who was assaulted and nearly abducted.

walshb

Get over yourself for chrissake...

Nobody is blaming this woman...

And I’d give the exact same advice to my wife, sisters and daughter...

When out and about always be aware of your surroundings and choices and routes...more so, and less so depending on the situations...

05eaftqbrs9jlh

walshb wrote: »

When out and about always be aware of your surroundings and choices and routes...more so, and less so depending on the situations...

Yeah well maybe you better watch your back as well.

Do you see how that sounds threatening? There's no need for it, you're mansplaining going outside to grown-up people as though their gender means that their intelligence precludes them from making the correct judgement without your intervention.

That makes you part of a group of people who regard women as "less than", and I don't mean in the physical sense, because I know typically an average man is going to overpower and average woman. You're being condescending under the guise of concern because you get a powerful feeling of magnanimity when you give womankind sage advice to remind them of their inherent vulnerability.

We know outside is dangerous, we're the ones who have to go there. Thanks. I'm finished now.

Beau Bennett

Demi Billions River wrote: »

Yeah well maybe you better watch your back as well.

Do you see how that sounds threatening? There's no need for it, you're mansplaining going outside to grown-up people as though their gender means that their intelligence precludes them from making the correct judgement without your intervention.

That makes you part of a group of people who regard women as "less than", and I don't mean in the physical sense, because I know typically an average man is going to overpower and average woman. You're being condescending under the guise of concern because you get a powerful feeling of magnanimity when you give womankind sage advice to remind them of their inherent vulnerability.

We know outside is dangerous, we're the ones who have to go there. Thanks. I'm finished now.

oh fcuk off

splinter65

In every other country the police can describe the suspect as Caucasian black Asian etc but we’re sooo up our own arses with PCness that the Gardai are afraid to “go there”. Ridiculous nonsense. Any guy in his 20s in a silver car it is so....
Horrific ordeal for this poor woman. Reckless and desperate attempt by the assailant considering passerby’s could come to her assistant so quickly.

gerard 180

Tinychancer get a grip. Embarrassing

walshb

Bigboldworld wrote: »

Needs to be apprehended very quickly or would likely try again, hope the guards throw all their resources behind this, is there any description of him out there yet? Age of victim, location and time make this very unusual

I would say it’s almost a given that this animal attempts it again...

And if caught, mother of jaysus, just lock him up for life...

But there’s more chance that Iran nukes the U.S...

Slap on the wrist, and maybe 2-3 years inside!!!

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

In every other country the police can describe the suspect as Caucasian black Asian etc but we’re sooo up our own arses with PCness that the Gardai are afraid to “go there”. Ridiculous nonsense. Any guy in his 20s in a silver car it is so....
Horrific ordeal for this poor woman. Reckless and desperate attempt by the assailant considering passerby’s could come to her assistant so quickly.

Gardai are not afraid. Don't be ridiculous.
They release the info they need to, they don't involve themselves in handing out gossip to the general public.
And, there has been very little info on this incident. I'd say there is more to this......

KathleenGrant

Demi Billions River wrote: »

Yeah well maybe you better watch your back as well.

Do you see how that sounds threatening? There's no need for it, you're mansplaining going outside to grown-up people as though their gender means that their intelligence precludes them from making the correct judgement without your intervention.

That makes you part of a group of people who regard women as "less than", and I don't mean in the physical sense, because I know typically an average man is going to overpower and average woman. You're being condescending under the guise of concern because you get a powerful feeling of magnanimity when you give womankind sage advice to remind them of their inherent vulnerability.

We know outside is dangerous, we're the ones who have to go there. Thanks. I'm finished now.

I'm a woman. You do women no favours going on like this. I wouldn't write **** off cos I might get carded but I MAY have thought it.

splinter65

Demi Billions River wrote: »

Yeah well maybe you better watch your back as well.

Do you see how that sounds threatening? There's no need for it, you're mansplaining going outside to grown-up people as though their gender means that their intelligence precludes them from making the correct judgement without your intervention.

That makes you part of a group of people who regard women as "less than", and I don't mean in the physical sense, because I know typically an average man is going to overpower and average woman. You're being condescending under the guise of concern because you get a powerful feeling of magnanimity when you give womankind sage advice to remind them of their inherent vulnerability.

We know outside is dangerous, we're the ones who have to go there. Thanks. I'm finished now.

Did you come to this thread for an opportunity to rant? I’m a woman. This is just embarrassing.

SantaCruz

Tinychancer is making a reasonbable point about how patronising and paternalistic some of the posting here is. Not intentionally, obviously, but if you take a step back and look at it, it really is there.

Not something anyone with good intentions wants to hear, obviously - hence the reaction.

Anyway, like everyone here, I hope this is resolved quickly.

wiggle16

walshb wrote: »

Depends on the specific area...

Where she was attacked was not a main road. Quieter road, narrower road..

Was dark, not yet into the busy part of the morning.

It’s exactly why this monster chose that area...

Built up, open, well lit and busier road/area; he doesn’t attempt it.

Blackhorse Avenue is not a quiet road, I live around the corner from it. It is a narrower road but it has several entrances to the park and eventually meets the North Circular. It would not be extremely busy at that time but there are always cars going up and down, it's never an empty road apart from very late at night.

It seems to me a very stupid place to grab someone so I would wonder if the poor lady in question was targeted specifically. It's right next to the park, it would be much easier to grab someone in there, where it's dark, very little CCTV and plenty of people walking around (even at that hour of the morning).

KathleenGrant

SantaCruz wrote: »

Tinychancer is making a reasonbable point about how patronising and paternalistic some of the posting here is. Not intentionally, obviously, but if you take a step back and look at it, it really is there.

Not something anyone with good intentions wants to hear, obviously - hence the reaction.

Using the word mansplaining in her post was enough to turn me.

Working class heroes

Ah yes, the subtle trolling worked.

The 2020s

What, in this weather? You would think they’d stand out, going around in a t-shirt in winter. I’m assuming she gave other details that they can use to narrow down the attacker. I mean, there’s probably a queue of homeless people in t-shirts admitting it now, hoping to get a bed for the night.

GolfNut33

Demi Billions River wrote: »

Yeah well maybe you better watch your back as well.

Do you see how that sounds threatening? There's no need for it, you're mansplaining going outside to grown-up people as though their gender means that their intelligence precludes them from making the correct judgement without your intervention.

That makes you part of a group of people who regard women as "less than", and I don't mean in the physical sense, because I know typically an average man is going to overpower and average woman. You're being condescending under the guise of concern because you get a powerful feeling of magnanimity when you give womankind sage advice to remind them of their inherent vulnerability.

We know outside is dangerous, we're the ones who have to go there. Thanks. I'm finished now.

On your bike with that crap.

splinter65

bubblypop wrote: »

Gardai are not afraid. Don't be ridiculous.
They release the info they need to, they don't involve themselves in handing out gossip to the general public.
And, there has been very little info on this incident. I'd say there is more to this......

You are joking. Describing the distinguishing features of this latest loolaa would not be gossip but if he’s not white with blue eyes would unleash the howls of protest from the permanently offended army stalking the country at the moment.

Working class heroes

Demi Billions River wrote: »

Yeah well maybe you better watch your back as well.

Do you see how that sounds threatening? There's no need for it, you're mansplaining going outside to grown-up people as though their gender means that their intelligence precludes them from making the correct judgement without your intervention.

That makes you part of a group of people who regard women as "less than", and I don't mean in the physical sense, because I know typically an average man is going to overpower and average woman. You're being condescending under the guise of concern because you get a powerful feeling of magnanimity when you give womankind sage advice to remind them of their inherent vulnerability.

We know outside is dangerous, we're the ones who have to go there. Thanks. I'm finished now.

Why is everyone jumping on this post? I think it’s bang on.

Atlantic Dawn

A 'silver saloon' car, that narrows it down, probably 20,000 cars could be matches.

walshb

wiggle16 wrote: »

Blackhorse Avenue is not a quiet road, I live around the corner from it. It is a narrower road but it has several entrances to the park and eventually meets the North Circular. It would not be extremely busy at that time but there are always cars going up and down, it's never an empty road apart from very late at night.

It seems to me a very stupid place to grab someone so I would wonder if the poor lady in question was targeted specifically. It's right next to the park, it would be much easier to grab someone in there, where it's dark, very little CCTV and plenty of people walking around (even at that hour of the morning).

Good points.

But it’s all relative..

The Navan Road, for example...in comparison to where this lady was attacked, would be a far riskier place for a perp to attempt this...

eviltwin

Any suggestions that this was a targeted attack? It just seems an oddly busy location to attempt an abduction when the park is right beside you.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

You are joking. Describing the distinguishing features of this latest loolaa would not be gossip but if he’s not white with blue eyes would unleash the howls of protest from the permanently offended army stalking the country at the moment.

No, I'm not joking. If the Gardai have any other details, then there's a reason they haven't released them.
If they have any that is

walshb

At 7.30 in darkness it is probably a lot less busy than other roads/areas...

pjohnson

Impressive. Already got both "mansplaining" AND starting on the "PC loons" script.

Very good Current Affairs.

Be right back

The 2020s wrote: »

What, in this weather? You would think they’d stand out, going around in a t-shirt in winter. I’m assuming she gave other details that they can use to narrow down the attacker. I mean, there’s probably a queue of homeless people in t-shirts admitting it now, hoping to get a bed for the night.

Not if he just got out of a car. Be different if he was on foot. Hope he's found soon.

wiggle16

Working class heroes wrote: »

Why is everyone jumping on this post? I think it’s bang on.

I think so too.

I do think as well though that a point like that is better made with a bit more civility. If you go on the attack, people get defensive. If you tell men they are mansplaining, a wall will go up, which is understandable. I hate the word, I think it's a cheap way to try to shut someone else up and the sign of a person who can't articulate themselves.

I think it's a misunderstanding as well to say that men get something out of it or like to feel magnanimous when they say "careful, ladies". I don't think that's true. I think that we don't get how condescending it is and how it can miss the point, but we don't get a sense of power from it or whatever.

walshb

wiggle16 wrote: »

I think so too.

I do think as well though that a point like that is better made with a bit more civility. If you go on the attack, people get defensive. If you tell men they are mansplaining, a wall will go up, which is understandable. I hate the word, I think it's a cheap way to try to shut someone else up and the sign of a person who can't articulate themselves.

I think it's a misunderstanding as well to say that men get something out of it or like to feel magnanimous when they say "careful, ladies". I don't think that's true. I think that we don't get how condescending it is and how it can miss the point, but we don't get a sense of power from it or whatever.

This is how you articulate your response..

Jaysus, surely we are all on the same team here, gender aside...

The poster took an OTT offense to my post, and in her urgency to reply, it came across as an attack, an unjustified one.

Atlantic Dawn

Was the attacker, white, black, asian, fat, tall, slim, no actual decsription beyond what they were wearing, we could be looking for a 4 ft or 6.5 foot man who is thin as a twig or fat as a fool. Who decides to release this thrash to the media, they are worse for publishing it.