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When's calving starting 2020

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    #362
    Limestone Cowboy
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    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(


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    #363
    Reggie.
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(

    Ah you get runs like that lad. Keep her going


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    #364
    squinn2912
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(

    That’s terrible form. Keep the head up it’ll come good yet


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    #365
    whelan2
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    That's a bad run. Had a cow with milk fever this evening and another calved in the cubicle shed.


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    #366
    valtra2
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(

    I fell you pain. I usually go through a wide range of emotions during calving. Some days I wonder why I bother but there is always light at the end of the tunnel, it's hard to swallow but it will pass and things will get better


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    #367
    Say my name
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(

    Maybe it says more of myself.

    But if you have any deceased relatives maybe just have a quiet humble word with them and explain how you're doing the best you can and have a word with the man himself. There's never any rhythm to these yokes. But they usually do happen in a heap together.
    I kind of believe in luck.

    And sure if you're not religious you've still nothing to loose as you'll be talking to yourself and clearing the head. :pac:

    These tillage farmers have it easy!


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    #368
    tanko
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(

    That a tough run. Hopefully your luck will change.
    Were the two losses CH bull calves?


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    #369
    Limestone Cowboy
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    tanko wrote: »
    That a tough run. Hopefully your luck will change.
    Were the two losses CH bull calves?

    No 2 lims.


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    #370
    stanflt
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(


    Keep the chin up- last year we had an awful run- got crypto at the start of calving and ended up with viral pneumonia as these calves were really weak- lost around 40 calves tru out the year- really tough spring one day we had to inject 160 calves- anyways this year is totally different and it’s a joy to be rearing calves-lost 1 calf that was born alive out of 180 calvings so far


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    #371
    cute geoge
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    Having a rotten run here this week. Lost 2 calves calving, another aborted and lost another with pneumonia this morning followed up by another section on a springer. Fit to give up :(

    Once your bad luck stays outside the door ,you can always recover from a bad run .Every farmer will get a sickening run at some stage so keep the chin up ,the snaps you have displayed on here of your cattle and surroundings have giving many a man a lift!!


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    #372
    Albert Johnson
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    cute geoge wrote: »
    Once your bad luck stays outside the door ,you can always recover from a bad run .Every farmer will get a sickening run at some stage so keep the chin up ,the snaps you have displayed on here of your cattle and surroundings have giving many a man a lift!!

    +1 on the above, some days would drive you too distraction but I always think that once your alive then nothing is beyond resolution. Granted it's easy to get disheartened at the time and there have been days where no doubt I swore never again and I'm only a Micky mouse operater.

    Keep the head up and don't let it get the better of you, hopefully better times are ahead and it will all soon be a distant memory.


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    #373
    Limestone Cowboy
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    This was the fella I had to section yesterday out of a springer. Fair lump, vet reckoned he's 80kg.


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    #374
    Mac Taylor
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    This was the fella I had to section yesterday out of a springer. Fair lump, vet reckoned he's 80kg.

    Had they an easy winter on the mountain? 3 years ago, I lost 4 calves one after the other, I was nearly drove to distraction.....keep the head, take a few hours off if you can and remember down through the years all the ones you got when your luck was in....


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    #375
    Limestone Cowboy
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    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    Had they an easy winter on the mountain? 3 years ago, I lost 4 calves one after the other, I was nearly drove to distraction.....keep the head, take a few hours off if you can and remember down through the years all the ones you got when your luck was in....

    They had in fairness. I didn't give them any feeding at all yet and they are in great nick still.


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    #376
    squinn2912
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    This was the fella I had to section yesterday out of a springer. Fair lump, vet reckoned he's 80kg.

    That lad is a monster the height and the legs on him!!


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    #377
    Limestone Cowboy
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    That lad is a monster the height and the legs on him!!

    To be honest the picture doesn't do him much justice. You'd have to be standing beside him to really appreciate how big he is.


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    #378
    High bike
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    He's ready to be weaned ffs


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    #379
    patsy_mccabe
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    To be honest the picture doesn't do him much justice. You'd have to be standing beside him to really appreciate how big he is.

    Did that come from teh bull's breeding? What breeding is in the cow?

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #380
    Limestone Cowboy
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Did that come from teh bull's breeding? What breeding is in the cow?

    The bull is dancer x ferry. 3rd round of calves out of him and had no problems last 2 years. Springer was out of old ionesco stock bull.


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    #381
    Angus2018
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    5 calves here so far, 4 heifers and 1 bull. All easy calving Angus so calved in 30 mins from waterbag to on the ground and up on their feet in 20-30 mins and suckling under the hour.

    There really is something to be said about smaller calves. Hay + licks all Winter with meal and silage 7 days before. They are seasoned old cows but we had no trouble last year with the heifers who were first run with the new Angus bull.

    Quiet start. 2 years ago I had 3 breaches in one night so I'm overdue it.


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    #382
    squinn2912
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    Limestone Cowboy wrote: »
    The bull is dancer x ferry. 3rd round of calves out of him and had no problems last 2 years. Springer was out of old ionesco stock bull.

    Similar breeding to our own bull. Throws an odd big calf but usually easy enough and we use him on heifers


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    #383
    squinn2912
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    Angus2018 wrote: »
    5 calves here so far, 4 heifers and 1 bull. All easy calving Angus so calved in 30 mins from waterbag to on the ground and up on their feet in 20-30 mins and suckling under the hour.

    There really is something to be said about smaller calves. Hay + licks all Winter with meal and silage 7 days before. They are seasoned old cows but we had no trouble last year with the heifers who were first run with the new Angus bull.

    Quiet start. 2 years ago I had 3 breaches in one night so I'm overdue it.

    Good to hear all that chap. Do you finish? I think that suits the easier calving lads


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    #384
    Angus2018
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Good to hear all that chap. Do you finish? I think that suits the easier calving lads

    Yep, all finished on grass. Heifers at 18-20 months and bullocks at around 26-28 months.

    Another one this morning. The new hereford bull's calves are due to start in 2 weeks. We had a monster before, calves were gigantic and had a very tough time with vet visits, breaches, jack and many not being able to even stand without a lot of help.


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    #385
    Lime Tree Farm
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    Expected Progeny Performance for ZAG
    Calving Difficulty (%3 & 4) 3.4% 99% (Very High)
    Gestation length (days) 3.91% 99% (Very High)

    Can someone explain "gestation length (days) 3.91% - does it mean increasing the 283 days by 1.0391, resulting in 11 days added on to the normal gestation of 283 days.


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    #386
    patsy_mccabe
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    Lime Tree Farm wrote: »
    Expected Progeny Performance for ZAG
    Calving Difficulty (%3 & 4) 3.4% 99% (Very High)
    Gestation length (days) 3.91% 99% (Very High)

    Can someone explain "gestation length (days) 3.91% - does it mean increasing the 283 days by 1.0391, resulting in 11 days added on to the normal gestation of 283 days.

    Where are you seeing 3.91%? It's 3.91 days PTA on www.icbf.com .
    Also 290 days gestation for his offspring.

    All this in the 'Gestation' tab under 'Replacement index'.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #387
    Lime Tree Farm
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    https://www.progressivegenetics.ie/Store/Detail/CASTLEVIEW-GAZELLE

    Thanks for the reply Patsy.

    What is PTA ?

    I am getting anxious with heifers that are overdue.


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    #388
    patsy_mccabe
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    Lime Tree Farm wrote: »
    https://www.progressivegenetics.ie/Store/Detail/CASTLEVIEW-GAZELLE

    Thanks for the reply Patsy.

    What is PTA ?

    I am getting anxious with heifers that are overdue.

    Ya, that's a mistake. There should be no % after the 3.91.
    290 days back from today would be 11 May 2019. Remember too, that you have to consider the cow's breeding. If she has limousin breeding, this will add a few days too.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #389
    Lime Tree Farm
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    SI 12 May, LM 18 May - I find that if they are carrying bull calves they can go over their time too. Thanks again.


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    #390
    Parishlad
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    Number 14 landed yesterday evening. Gave a small pull but I'd say she would have calved on her own if I left her. Nice handy heifer calf. That's 14 now in 36 days, the bull did a good job in picking them up as soon as they were let out. Average number of days since last calving is 355 with the longest so far being 363 days.
    Have 6 left to go now. 2 or 3 should be soon enough but I'd say the last 3 will drag the ar*e out of it.
    Can't wait to get them out of the shed. Spending half my time checking calve backsides for scour but so far so good.


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    squinn2912
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    Parishlad wrote: »
    Number 14 landed yesterday evening. Gave a small pull but I'd say she would have calved on her own if I left her. Nice handy heifer calf. That's 14 now in 36 days, the bull did a good job in picking them up as soon as they were let out. Average number of days since last calving is 355 with the longest so far being 363 days.
    Have 6 left to go now. 2 or 3 should be soon enough but I'd say the last 3 will drag the ar*e out of it.
    Can't wait to get them out of the shed. Spending half my time checking calve backsides for scour but so far so good.

    Big yella girl calved herself yesterday evening. Calf up sucking within 30mins what a relief. I rushed home as da told me she was slow at making progress. Aggressive enough but I got the spray on his navel. Up to 12 now. 21 to go.


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