Leinster vs Connacht, Sat 4th Jan, 17:30 Eir

fitz

Granny15 wrote: »

Deegan is a ruck inspector at the best of times and this backs my opinion of that.

Tackling is an essential part of the game but leave it to the backs who are the primary line of defence. Forwards should be involved at the breakdown as that is one of their primary roles including the set piece.

Granny15

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Most obvious way of outing yourself as a complete and utter spoof: saying that backs are the primary line of defence and that forwards should only hit breakdowns.

We all know backs don't tackle.

Backs Are the primary line of defence that is just a fact of the game. True forwards slot in depending on the defensive system you use but to say backs are supposedly girls who don’t tackle doesn’t negate my point.

Burkie1203

Granny15 wrote: »

It would back my opinion that POM is a lot more involved at ruck/maul time rather than hanging out in the back line making tackles. Deegan is a ruck inspector at the best of times and this backs my opinion of that.

Tackling is an essential part of the game but leave it to the backs who are the primary line of defence. Forwards should be involved at the breakdown as that is one of their primary roles including the set piece.

Leinster play a fanned defence where the number on your back doesn’t exist so that plays well to getting up tackling stats but I believe better rugby is played when players stick to their roles. Baird and Doris also have off the charts tackling stats considering the time they were on the pitch.

I’m not saying he won’t be good enough in time just that I think there they are more seasoned attritional players than him. He’s exceptional with the ball in hand in a run out game but that’s all I’ll take from this match.

Ruddock 22
Deegan 29
Doris 21
Baird 20
Molony 24
Leinsters top 5 tacklers tonight

Connachts top 5 were their 4 5 6 7 8


Your post is quite frankly, BS.

awec

Deleted User wrote: »

:pac:

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Most obvious way of outing yourself as a complete and utter spoof: saying that backs are the primary line of defence and that forwards should only hit breakdowns.

We all know backs don't tackle.

AdamD wrote: »

You couldn't be any more full of ****e

fitz wrote: »

Spot the forwards.

Faugheen

awec wrote: »

Spot the forwards.

#PropLife

Granny15

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ruddock 22
Deegan 29
Doris 21
Baird 20
Molony 24
Leinsters top 5 tacklers tonight

Connachts top 5 were their 4 5 6 7 8


Your post is quite frankly, BS.

Making more tackles doesn’t make it your primary role. They have specialist positions which have requirements of them primary amongst which are scrummaging line outs and hitting rucks. Backs hit rucks also but that doesn’t make it their primary role in the design of the game

prawnsambo

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Most obvious way of outing yourself as a complete and utter spoof: saying that backs are the primary line of defence and that forwards should only hit breakdowns.

We all know backs don't tackle.

I think he got lost on his way to the soccer forum.

troyzer

I've seen some amount of ****e on boards in my time but this is up there.

Donnielighto

They are primary defenders off set pieces and should be better at setting the line but tackling numbers are almost always dominated by forwards. The only way you could swing that argument is only looking at set pieces or if you're focusing on the cost of missing a tackle which is worse in the midfield and wide. Even then that'd be reaching and questionable. I played as a wing btw so I'm not a forward denigrating backs here.

Faugheen

Granny15 wrote: »

Making more tackles doesn’t make it your primary role. They have specialist positions which have requirements of them primary amongst which are scrummaging line outs and hitting rucks. Backs hit rucks also but that doesn’t make it their primary role in the design of the game

Right so we’ll leave the backs around the fringes to make all tackles to one-out runners and then leave the forwards to defend against the opposition backline.

Sounds like a great idea!.

stephen_n

awec wrote: »

Spot the forwards.

venjur is definitely one of the girls, there’s no way he’d have been a fattie. In fairness it’s only the outside backs and half backs that don’t tackle.

Squidgy Black

stephen_n wrote: »

venjur is definitely one of the girls, there’s no way he’d have been a fattie. In fairness it’s only the outside backs and half backs that don’t tackle.

We prefer to be called broad shouldered excuse you.

fitz

Squidgy Black wrote: »

We prefer to be called broad shouldered excuse you.

Big boned.

Donnielighto

stephen_n wrote: »

venjur is definitely one of the girls, there’s no way he’d have been a fattie. In fairness it’s only the outside backs and half backs that don’t tackle.

I was a big 14, loved crunching lads.

Granny15

Well I suppose in the modern game and once you get past first phase it could be considered their primary role. But if you ask most people to describe the roles of a forward does they would start with scrum line out and rucks not tackling. I played a system in the old days where backs tackled forwards and were relied upon to do so when not stationed on our own try line. I guess the game has moved on a lot since then where roles have crossed over

Dave_The_Sheep

If you asked most people to describe the roles of any player on the pitch, I doubt they'd start with tackling.

Everyone tackles.

Except Rob Kearney, obviously.

Stheno

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

If you asked most people to describe the roles of any player on the pitch, I doubt they'd start with tackling.

Everyone tackles.

Except Rob Kearney, obviously.

Ah here we cant risk Rob damaging his pretty face

Dave_The_Sheep

Stheno wrote: »

Ah here we cant risk Rob damaging his pretty face

Oh, for sure. I don't blame him in the slightest.

Granny15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What should a back do if they come up against Mako Vunipola? Take him around the ankles like your friend. Granted a back row forward does have a primary role as tackling off first phase I’ll concede

Burkie1203

Granny15 wrote: »

Well I suppose in the modern game and once you get past first phase it could be considered their primary role. But if you ask most people to describe the roles of a forward does they would start with scrum line out and rucks not tackling. I played a system in the old days where backs tackled forwards and were relied upon to do so when not stationed on our own try line. I guess the game has moved on a lot since then where roles have crossed over

A lot of the time Leinster didn't compete at the breakdown. They had a plan to fill the field with 10-12 defenders. Now there is only 7 backs on the team so that makes the "primary line of defence" argument utter BS especially as teams would have 2 or 3 backs covering behind the defensive line.

I don't think you thought this horsesh1t through properly.

Granny15

Burkie1203 wrote: »

A lot of the time Leinster didn't compete at the breakdown. They had a plan to fill the field with 10-12 defenders. Now there is only 7 backs on the team so that makes the "primary line of defence" argument utter BS especially as teams would have 2 or 3 backs covering behind the defensive line.

I don't think you thought this horsesh1t through properly.

Stick to the stats. It will simplify things for you.

Burkie1203

Just saw replay of the injury. Ankle ligament job if not worse. Season ender potentially. Looked Horrible

Granny15

Granny15 wrote: »

What should a back do if they come up against Mako Vunipola? Take him around the ankles like your friend. Granted a back row forward does have a primary role as tackling off first phase I’ll concede

I'm sorry, I mean this in the nicest possible way but I'm not going to dignify this with an answer.

Granny15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm sorry, I mean this in the nicest possible way but I'm not going to dignify this with an answer.

That’s it keep your dignity and don’t respond to me. Much the same as I shouldn’t do with you

Zzippy

Date night. Dragged out for the last 78 minutes. Star Wars is deadly, loved it. Did I miss much?

stephen_n

Zzippy wrote: »

Date night. Dragged out for the last 78 minutes. Star Wars is deadly, loved it. Did I miss much?

An education on who should tackle and who shouldn’t.

Buer

Zzippy wrote: »

Date night. Dragged out for the last 78 minutes. Star Wars is deadly, loved it. Did I miss much?

Whether you watched Connacht or went out with the missus, your night will end up with getting f*cked.

Only joking. I know your married so you'd only get screwed if you watched Connacht.

Zzippy

stephen_n wrote: »

An education on who should tackle and who shouldn’t.

I might hit the cinema again next week so...

Zzippy

Zzippy wrote: »

I might hit the cinema again next week so...

In about three weeks Zzippy is going to be the resident movie buff on offtopic.

stephen_n

Zzippy wrote: »

I might hit the cinema again next week so...

You’d probably learn more at little women.

molloyjh

stephen_n wrote: »

You’d probably learn more at little women.

These little women, how little are they?

stephen_n

molloyjh wrote: »

These little women, how little are they?

Depends on how big the screen is I guess.

AdamD

Zzippy wrote: »

Date night. Dragged out for the last 78 minutes. Star Wars is deadly, loved it. Did I miss much?

The game was the most bored I've been since well, seeing star wars last weekend. :pac:

errlloyd

There were 565 attempted tackles in this game.

For reference, last year Leinster v Bennetton was 470ish, and I skimmed the data to see if that was a record. And it was.

arsebiscuits1

Granny15 wrote: »

Stick to the stats. It will simplify things for you.

Eh... You first sweetheart.

What stats have you offered? 15 Granny's?

You say Deegan doesn't hit rucks yet offer no stat to back up how many rucks he actually hit.

Seriously mate I'm a bit worried about you. You threatened shooting yourself last night and your posts just seem a bit bizarre. If you want to talk I'm a pm away. I don't know if your posts are actually a cry for help but if they are ask and I'm here

Burkie1203

IT report

“[CONOR] thought he heard a crack on his ankle,” said Connacht coach Andy Friend, “and his brother [STEPHEN] did his knee so it is not a good day for the Fitzgeralds. It didn’t look good either.”

Connacht just need to get through European games with no more Injuries and hopefully get players back after the break

Granny15

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Eh... You first sweetheart.

What stats have you offered? 15 Granny's?

You say Deegan doesn't hit rucks yet offer no stat to back up how many rucks he actually hit.

Seriously mate I'm a bit worried about you. You threatened shooting yourself last night and your posts just seem a bit bizarre. If you want to talk I'm a pm away. I don't know if your posts are actually a cry for help but if they are ask and I'm here

If you’re offering I could use help with the U9’s next Saturday. Honestly I try to put my coaches hat on and nobody listens.

Bazzo

I have a mate in work who coaches his sons minis and he legitimately couldn't tell you a prop from a winger so I've no idea why you're using that as some sort of qualification.

Bazzo

Bazzo wrote: »

I have a mate in work who coaches his sons minis and he legitimately couldn't tell you a prop from a winger so I've no idea why you're using that as some sort of qualification.

You can easily tell the difference as the prop shouldn't be making any tackles.

Come on lads, are we really entertaining this guff...

prawnsambo

Bazzo wrote: »

I have a mate in work who coaches his sons minis and he legitimately couldn't tell you a prop from a winger so I've no idea why you're using that as some sort of qualification.

It does explain his confusion though.

Granny15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can easily tell the difference as the prop shouldn't be making any tackles.

Come on lads, are we really entertaining this guff...

Well after some of the touting you’ve done on here I’m not surprised with that response. Discredit your main opponent and ridicule him straight out of the classroom. It’s bullying

Granny15

Granny15 wrote: »

main opponent

What?

Granny15

ecoli3136 wrote: »

What?

We’ve disagreed on some things recently. I’m not going make this about me I have more to worry about than defending my posts on an online forum

Faugheen

Granny15 wrote: »

Well after some of the touting you’ve done on here I’m not surprised with that response. Discredit your main opponent and ridicule him straight out of the classroom. It’s bullying

‘Main opponent’.

You make it sound like some big rivalry. You’re discrediting facts and making claims which are not only untrue but you can’t make any basis for them.

Larbre34

stephen_n wrote: »

Connacht won’t come and role over, I’m sure Leinster will win but they won’t make it easy. I’d be surprised if the spread was accurate.

A cold wind blows through this...

ecoli3136

ecoli3136 wrote: »

What?

I know right...? Everyone knows Buer is my main opponent.

salmocab

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know right...? Everyone knows Buer is my main opponent.

Nobody can defeat venjur but himself.

Buer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know right...? Everyone knows Buer is my main opponent.

Take a ticket.

thomond2006

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