Body found in Cork

derfburd2

The body of a man was found outside a derelict house on the Boreenamana Road in Cork today. The victim suffered severe injuries and a murder investigation has been launched.

From what I have heard this is a very gruesome case and the motivation is unclear.

whisky_galore

Sad way to end the year, esp with a number of high profile murders, one of them on that same road.

Mahony0509

Butchered. No head, arms or legs. Gardaí saying they have never seen anything like it.

igCorcaigh

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Butchered. No head, arms or legs. Gardaí saying they have never seen anything like it.

Yeah, gruesome stuff.

RTE keeps it understated... "it is understood the injuries to his body indicate he died violently".

For sure.

enricoh

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, gruesome stuff.

RTE keeps it understated... "it is understood the injuries to his body indicate he died violently".

For sure.

Gardai were treating the death as suspicious yesterday!
In an abandoned house, probably some drug addled nutjob. If not some eastern European revenge thing.
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiOWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnJ0ZS5pZS9uZXdzLzIwMTkvMTIyOC8xMTAzMzg4LWJvZHktY29yay1jaXR5L9IBH2h0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnJ0ZS5pZS9hbXAvMTEwMzM4OC8?hl=en-IE&gl=IE&ceid=IE%3Aen

igCorcaigh

The victim is thought to be a homeless man in his 50s.

The dismemberment may have been an attempt to dispose of the body... The head and limbs were found nearby.

pinkyeye

There does seem to be an increase in violence in Cork I find this year.

Wilfuler.

Dehguil99 wrote: »

Think about it, if circumstances were different and he was at home for Christmas would he have met such a gruesome demise?

Probably not Sherlock

banie01

Nicetrustedcup wrote: »

Can you say what part of the north side as I am from that part of the city so I am wondering could it be someone I might know ?

Surely if it was someone you might know, the bush telegraph would already have alerted you to that fact?

Do you have a homeless friend or acquaintance in his mid 50s?
Is he missing or incommunicado?
Probably him then...

Rather than engage in a gossip fishing expedition, perhaps ask those from that part of the city you hail from?

Larbre34

In his 60s according to RTÉ 6.1

The first thing I thought of was the Mardyke alright.

Minime2.5

enricoh wrote: »

Gardai were treating the death as suspicious yesterday!
In an abandoned house, probably some drug addled nutjob. If not some eastern European revenge thing.
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiOWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnJ0ZS5pZS9uZXdzLzIwMTkvMTIyOC8xMTAzMzg4LWJvZHktY29yay1jaXR5L9IBH2h0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnJ0ZS5pZS9hbXAvMTEwMzM4OC8?hl=en-IE&gl=IE&ceid=IE%3Aen

As opposed to what? Natural Causes?

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/PaulByrne_1/status/1211367904916185089?s=19

SeaFields

Rte are still reporting that the gardai are saying the deceased details won't be released until relatives are informed. I hope they didn't find out that horrendous news online because Paul Byrne wanted the first scoop.

Shocking story.

paleoperson

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulByrne_1/status/1211367904916185089?s=19

"and loved the crack" in replies possibly not the most appropriate wording right now...

s7ryf3925pivug

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, gruesome stuff.

RTE keeps it understated... "it is understood the injuries to his body indicate he died violently".

For sure.

I think that's normal in Ireland with particularly gruesome deaths. There was another extremely gruesome killing this year that was very understated in the media. There were journalists aware of the details but I would guess they were asked not to go into details for the sake of the family.

The perpetrator in that case handed himself in incidentally, so it's not the same person who did it.

Be right back

SeaFields wrote: »

Rte are still reporting that the gardai are saying the deceased details won't be released until relatives are informed. I hope they didn't find out that horrendous news online because Paul Byrne wanted the first scoop.

Shocking story.

I hope they knew beforehand too. What a terrible way to go. May Francis rest in peace.

TheRiverman

A horrific act of savagery.

JP Liz V1

God love him and his family, RIP

SusieBlue

What a horrific act of violence. The poor victim wasn’t even granted dignity in his death, to have his body disrespected in such a gruesome manner. May he Rest In Peace & I hope his final moments were quick & not drawn out.

The Mardyke incident was the first thing that came to my mind also, I truly hope they aren’t connected and it’s just a nasty coincidence.
Homeless people are vulnerable enough without being specifically targeted like this.

igCorcaigh

SusieBlue wrote: »

The Mardyke incident was the first thing that came to my mind also, I truly hope they aren’t connected and it’s just a nasty coincidence.
Homeless people are vulnerable enough without being specifically targeted like this.

Did they ever find the killer behind that incident?

Nicetrustedcup

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Did they ever find the killer behind that incident?

I don’t think they ever did, they where saying it could have been a group of people and that’s about all I heard.

RIP to the poor guy who had to face this kind of death

whisky_galore

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Did they ever find the killer behind that incident?

They said they had two suspects, but they were not in the city at the time of this latest murder.

pinkyeye

The strange thing is that his head and arms were found close by so it wasn't even an attempt at a cover up, just savage butchery.

Poor man and his family.

I know factually the murder stats are not going up but the level of violence involved seems to be rising.

Seth Brundle

pinkyeye wrote: »

The strange thing is that his head and arms were found close by so it wasn't even an attempt at a cover up, just savage butchery.

Why even move the head & arms anyhow?

pinkyeye

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why even move the head & arms anyhow?

I know, just bizarre altogether.

Wilfuler.

pinkyeye wrote: »

I know factually the murder stats are not going up but the level of violence involved seems to be rising.

Wut

tigger123

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why even move the head & arms anyhow?

It may have been an attempt to ensure the body could not be identified when it was found (assuming you dispose of the remains separately).

Unbelievably macabre stuff. So hard for his family and friends. Poor guy.

Lady Haywire

Wilfuler. wrote: »

Wut

The numbers of people being murdered are remaining on a similar level but the violence used during the actual murders is increasing.
E.g. This murder is way more violent than a shooting.

kravmaga

Im not from Cork but is it fair to assume that this is the 2nd murder of a homeless person in Cork city this year, both murders very barbaric in nature.

I wonder why the homeless men are being targeted in this manner?

Pablo Escobar

kravmaga wrote: »

Im not from Cork but is it fair to assume that this is the 2nd murder of a homeless person in Cork city this year, both murders very barbaric in nature.

I wonder why the homeless men are being targeted in this manner?

It's the 3rd homeless murder in 3 months or so. And there's been another few high profile non-homeless ones in the 2nd half of the year. It's been a bad one.

NovemberWren

kravmaga wrote: »

Im not from Cork but is it fair to assume that this is the 2nd murder of a homeless person in Cork city this year, both murders very barbaric in nature.

I wonder why the homeless men are being targeted in this manner?

this is terribly and dreadfully sad. Cork does seem to be even more weird than Dublin.
Homeless are dreadfully vulnerable.

There is a weird, shocking, divide in this country: between firstly, the Millionaires who are drawing in rents from the State and thus ensuring that their many mortgages will be paid;
and secondly, the Social Employed workers (many Unionised), and in this kind of case, these would be the plethora of hostels.

The cute link that maintains these two is: Insecurity. Insecurity of Tenure.

And the people that pay the ultimate price for this deliberate inattention by the political 'elites', is Frankie.

R.I.P.

whisky_galore

Cork may be going through a bad patch right now, but to be fair it didn't have a shootout in a hotel, or a body in suitcase in a canal, or a pair of teens who lured and murdered another teen or semi regular gangland shootings so no, it's nowhere near as "weird" as the capital.

LoughNeagh2017

I am not shocked by human nature, they are slowly going back to their natural animalistic actions. Humans are no different from the monkeys on the trees or the bears in the forests. Chrisianity losing its grip will quickly cause humans to return to their animalistic nature. The worshipping of Gods was the only thing that separated humans from the rest of the wild beasts.

Mahony0509

As someone who lives in the city I agree that it is getting more violent. There's some streets you wouldn't dare go down in the dark anymore. The lack of visible Gardai for the last year or two is a reason for this imo.

Jinglejangle69

NovemberWren wrote: »

this is terribly and dreadfully sad. Cork does seem to be even more weird than Dublin.
Homeless are dreadfully vulnerable.

There is a weird, shocking, divide in this country: between firstly, the Millionaires who are drawing in rents from the State and thus ensuring that their many mortgages will be paid;
and secondly, the Social Employed workers (many Unionised), and in this kind of case, these would be the plethora of hostels.

The cute link that maintains these two is: Insecurity. Insecurity of Tenure.

And the people that pay the ultimate price for this deliberate inattention by the political 'elites', is Frankie.

R.I.P.

Hold on.

I just heard on the news this man was living in a house paid for by a homeless charity.

He wasn’t living on the street.

Can we not wait for the story to be released before ranting about da gubberment?

Cause we know how that mistake has been made in the past many times.

Been homeless doesn’t absolve people from anything.

FAMLEE

Possible warning to distributors of crack/smack in the area who don't pay up?

The gray bird

whisky_galore wrote: »

Cork may be going through a bad patch right now, but to be fair it didn't have a shootout in a hotel, or a body in suitcase in a canal, or a pair of teens who lured and murdered another teen or semi regular gangland shootings so no, it's nowhere near as "weird" as the capital.

There's way more people living in dublin so the likelihood of such things will obviously be higher in dublin, but this is nothing we haven't seen before the scissor sisters done something similar years back.

Pablo Escobar

The gray bird wrote: »

There's way more people living in dublin so the likelihood of such things will obviously be higher in dublin, but this is nothing we haven't seen before the scissor sisters done something similar years back.

Also, the cases given were selected over a number of years. The point was that Cork had had a run of it recently. Probably the most horrific murder I've heard of in the state took place on the same street as where Frankie was found just this past July. Cork generally has lower crime stats than other urban centres. Murders are common annually, but that's a function of population. However, there does seem to have been a spike in the past 6 months, and they have also been incredibly gruesome. Let's hope it ends with the turn of the new year.

JohnFalstaff

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

I am not shocked by human nature, they are slowly going back to their natural animalistic actions. Humans are no different from the monkeys on the trees or the bears in the forests. Chrisianity losing its grip will quickly cause humans to return to their animalistic nature. The worshipping of Gods was the only thing that separated humans from the rest of the wild beasts.

We are living in the most peaceful era in history. In ancient agricultural societies, rife with Gods and religion, about 15 per cent of all deaths were caused by human violence. Today, in the world as a whole, less than 1.5 per cent of deaths are caused by human violence.

Religions and Gods are comforting, because they explain to us in simple terms what is happening in the world, what is our personal place in the cosmic drama, who we are, and what is the meaning of our lives. But these are just fantasies. Humans have existed for more than two million years, while all religions we know today are the product of the last 3,000 years. They are changing social constructs rather than eternal truths.

If anything, it could be posited that violence in Western society has declined as religion's influence has waned.

splinter65

NovemberWren wrote: »

this is terribly and dreadfully sad. Cork does seem to be even more weird than Dublin.
Homeless are dreadfully vulnerable.

There is a weird, shocking, divide in this country: between firstly, the Millionaires who are drawing in rents from the State and thus ensuring that their many mortgages will be paid;
and secondly, the Social Employed workers (many Unionised), and in this kind of case, these would be the plethora of hostels.

The cute link that maintains these two is: Insecurity. Insecurity of Tenure.

And the people that pay the ultimate price for this deliberate inattention by the political 'elites', is Frankie.

R.I.P.

This man wasn’t homeless. He’d been given a home. This isn’t a “homelessness” issue. If it was his choice not to live in that house then we have to either accept that adults are free to live their lives as they see fit OR
Agree that some people need protecting from themselves, due to addiction issues and/or mental health problems. How we do that is a difficult thorny issue.
This man isn’t dead because of rent or landlords or any economic divide. He’s dead because of a chaotic lifestyle in which he probably needed a lot of help or encouragement to make better choices.

splinter65

pinkyeye wrote: »

The strange thing is that his head and arms were found close by so it wasn't even an attempt at a cover up, just savage butchery.

Poor man and his family.

I know factually the murder stats are not going up but the level of violence involved seems to be rising.

I would imagine that it was a cack handed attempt at disposing the remains, which ended when the murderer/murderers realised that it is almost physically impossible to dismember an adult human without power tools. The sheer physical effort would be exhausting and take far too long.

pinkyeye

whisky_galore wrote: »

Cork may be going through a bad patch right now, but to be fair it didn't have a shootout in a hotel, or a body in suitcase in a canal, or a pair of teens who lured and murdered another teen or semi regular gangland shootings so no, it's nowhere near as "weird" as the capital.

So it's a competition now?

Get a grip mate, I'm from Dublin, now living in Cork and I don't think there's either place looking worse or better than the other.

What I do know is that the level of violence used in murders this year has been more horrific than any other year in either county.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Awful death, I really hope they find those responsible.

Lock them up and throw away the keys, animals.

extra gravy

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

I am not shocked by human nature, they are slowly going back to their natural animalistic actions. Humans are no different from the monkeys on the trees or the bears in the forests. Chrisianity losing its grip will quickly cause humans to return to their animalistic nature. The worshipping of Gods was the only thing that separated humans from the rest of the wild beasts.

That's funny because most of the worst people in the world are "Christians".

twowheelsonly

FAMLEE wrote: »

Possible warning to distributors of crack/smack in the area who don't pay up?

That's some jump !!!

This guy was a hopeless alcoholic, his body was found on the grounds of a well known drinking den. I sincerely hope that the Gardai don't jump to the same conclusion as yourself and instead concentrate on following up on the most likely scenario.

kravmaga

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hold on.

I just heard on the news this man was living in a house paid for by a homeless charity.

He wasn’t living on the street.

Can we not wait for the story to be released before ranting about da gubberment?

Cause we know how that mistake has been made in the past many times.

Been homeless doesn’t absolve people from anything.

The Irishtimes article said he was homeless, he was living on the street, he had just been offered a half way house recently by a homeless charity.

See link:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/postmortem-confirms-homeless-man-was-murdered-in-cork-1.4126985

splinter65

extra gravy wrote: »

That's funny because most of the worst people in the world are "Christians".

Why do you think that now? It was atheists who murdered a billion people in the 20th century. In the name of atheism. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao... did you forget about them?
Anyway, tell us all the Christians who are the worst people in the world and why.

splinter65

kravmaga wrote: »

The Irishtimes article said he was homeless, he was living on the street, he had just been offered a half way house recently by a homeless charity.

See link:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/postmortem-confirms-homeless-man-was-murdered-in-cork-1.4126985

You do know that being offered a house wouldn’t cure his addiction to drink?

twowheelsonly

kravmaga wrote: »

The Irishtimes article said he was homeless, he was living on the street, he had just been offered a half way house recently by a homeless charity.

See link:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/postmortem-confirms-homeless-man-was-murdered-in-cork-1.4126985

He was living in a Cork Simon housing shelter not far from where he was found. He left there on Thursday and hadn't been seen since apparently.

hibble

splinter65 wrote: »

Anyway, tell us all the Christians who are the worst people in the world and why.

https://youtu.be/sAn7baRbhx4

Wilfuler.

NovemberWren wrote: »

this is terribly and dreadfully sad. Cork does seem to be even more weird than Dublin.
Homeless are dreadfully vulnerable.

There is a weird, shocking, divide in this country: between firstly, the Millionaires who are drawing in rents from the State and thus ensuring that their many mortgages will be paid;
and secondly, the Social Employed workers (many Unionised), and in this kind of case, these would be the plethora of hostels.

The cute link that maintains these two is: Insecurity. Insecurity of Tenure.


And the people that pay the ultimate price for this deliberate inattention by the political 'elites', is Frankie.

R.I.P.

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