Green Party MEPs vote for Ireland to lose EU Tax Veto

Jamie2k9

The motion failed but honestly cannot believe they voted for such a proposal. Could this do them damage at a national election as they will probably run on increasing taxes in 2020.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/green-party-meps-back-proposal-to-remove-irelands-eu-tax-veto-38805187.html

Wibbs

The Green party are a bunch of naive people and outright dribbling morons. This is not a shock to me.

ednwireland

Wibbs wrote: »

The Green party are a bunch of naive people and outright dribbling morons. This is not a shock to me.

to think many years ago I thought the greens actually had an alternative policy. instead it just seems like alternative bandwagon jumping.

Jinglejangle69

Jesus these commies are going to bankrupt the country AGAIN if they get a whiff of power.

Worrying thing is they have the young naive vote.

Very worrying times.

listermint

Whatever happened to dating article's? And idea when this vote was

biko

The only way they will gain power is by getting the naive vote
And as it happens - Greens call for voting age to be brought down to 16

Jamie2k9

listermint wrote: »

Whatever happened to dating article's? And idea when this vote was

Two points MEPs only took up positions on 1 November and article was published today. The vote took place on Tuesday.

General Details:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-tax-reform-idUKKCN1Q11BA

Yellow_Fern

I liked them when they were proeuropean but slightly euro skeptic

washman3

Wibbs wrote: »

The Green party are a bunch of naive people and outright dribbling morons. This is not a shock to me.

I actually think those at the top are shrewd and conniving but bluffers and chancers of the highest order. Eamon Ryan must be one of the biggest conmen that ever darkened the door of Leinster House, yet is given a virtual free ride by the mainstream media.
It's the clowns that vote for the Greens that I despair about.
They are the real problem.!!

biko

Green politicians think they are looking out for the planet when they should be looking out for their country, or even better their county.
This mindset is globalist which is pretty much the opposite of nationalist (for good or bad).

I was green for many years before I realised the green are children and dreamers with no rooting in reality.

Richard Hillman

I don't mind if they were proposing to increase the tax rate but getting rid of your own Veto is beyond ridiculous bordering treasonous.

tayto lover

Anytime I see a Green Party idea in print I know it would cost the taxpayer.
Useless shower of morons.

Limpy

People in Ireland wont vote en masse for "woke" party's.

RobbingBandit

Collective guilt hipster wannabes oh we've gotta take responsibility for all the bad things we didn't do it's all everyone's fault so everyone has to help

**** off you delusional little brats

Stupid green party

vriesmays

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I liked them when they were proeuropean but slightly euro skeptic

I liked them when they told us to buy diesel cars.

Nate--IRL--

Weren't they the same party that could have Veto'd the creation of NAMA, but OK'd it because they got a ban on mink farming?

Nate

Augme

Seems a fairly sensible idea and I'd say most people who voted green party or would be inclined to vote greens wouldn't have a huge issue with it. The people who hate the idea would never vote greens anyway so it will have zero impact.

ancapailldorcha

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Weren't they the same party that could have Veto'd the creation of NAMA, but OK'd it because they got a ban on mink farming?

Nate

Mink farming is still legal.

circadian

Wow a lot of hatred for the Greens. I don't usually vote for them but I get the feeling a lot of the derision is from people who don't want to face up to the fact that they are, in a way, correct in running with environmental issues as their core tenant and have been for some time.

The difference is now other parties are also on board.

tdf7187

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Jesus these commies are going to bankrupt the country AGAIN if they get a whiff of power.

Worrying thing is they have the young naive vote.

Very worrying times.

Jeez there was me thinking it was Zanu FF/FG, developers, bankers and low interest rates that bankrupted the country.

tayto lover

tdf7187 wrote: »

Jeez there was me thinking it was Zanu FF/FG, developers, bankers and low interest rates that bankrupted the country.

Yes but backed up by the Greens.😉

listermint

circadian wrote: »

Wow a lot of hatred for the Greens. I don't usually vote for them but I get the feeling a lot of the derision is from people who don't want to face up to the fact that they are, in a way, correct in running with environmental issues as their core tenant and have been for some time.

The difference is now other parties are also on board.

What the article had to do with environmental issues is beyond me......

tdf7187

circadian wrote: »

Wow a lot of hatred for the Greens. I don't usually vote for them but I get the feeling a lot of the derision is from people who don't want to face up to the fact that they are, in a way, correct in running with environmental issues as their core tenant and have been for some time.

The difference is now other parties are also on board.

I think the Greens are naive, but some of the comments in the thread are indeed ludicrous.
There's a fella ranting about how the 'commies' bankrupted the country. Wtf. It's like the 'commies are stealing our preciously bodily fluids' character from Doctor Strangelove taking to the internet.

tdf7187

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes but backed up by the Greens.��

Meh. They had very little influence and were only in government for the last year or two of the madness. The bubble had been building for at least a decade.

The people who avidly support Zanu FF/FG today are the ones to blame. That is because they are morons.

tdf7187

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Weren't they the same party that could have Veto'd the creation of NAMA, but OK'd it because they got a ban on mink farming?

Nate

I take if from this that you think vetoing the creation of NAMA would have been a good idea, then. Can you explain your alternative proposal, given the near complete collapse of the banking sector in Ireland and that almost all developers were insolvent?

is_that_so

tdf7187 wrote: »

Meh. They had very little influence and were only in government for the last year or two of the madness. The bubble had been building for at least a decade.

The people who avidly support Zanu FF/FG today are the ones to blame. That is because they are morons.

The Dummies Guide of/to Politics! You mean they won't vote for other even more useless options? Yes, morons indeed.

tdf7187

is_that_so wrote: »

The Dummies Guide of/to Politics! You mean they won't vote for other even more useless options? Yes, morons indeed.

Ehm, guess I must have missed compulsory voting being introduced in Ireland.

LostinBlanch

I agree with Washmans assessment of Eamon Ryan, and the rest of them.

Trevor Sargent, the leader said he’d never take them into coalition with FF and resigned as leader the day before the agreement was struck but was also happy to take a post as junior minister in that govt.

They tried to pull a fast one in the negotiations where the cabinet would be reshuffled after two years so the non ministerial members of the parliamentary party could become ministers. Why two years you ask? Well two years is the minimum requirement to qualify for a ministerial pension. Even FF couldn’t stomach that one. I know people who left the party in disgust at them abandoning a central tenet of their existence. Clean politics how are ye?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Mink farming is still legal.

Yes, the Greens that used to be so against corruption and for probity and transparencies in politics until they got a chance to get their hands on power. They did a deal with the devil Fianna Fáil and ended up voting for NAMA, in return for the ban on mink farms that didn’t come through. Like Seamus Brennan said “senior hurling” indeed.

It’s tempting to call them naive, but their actions are dangerous. Like letting someone light a match in a fireworks factory.

is_that_so

tdf7187 wrote: »

Ehm, guess I must have missed compulsory voting being introduced in Ireland.

You seem to have missed a lot, particularly that insulting voters is not a terribly good way to change minds. Your posts look to have just emerged from about 2010.

tdf7187

LostinBlanch wrote: »

I agree with Washmans assessment of Eamon Ryan, and the rest of them.

Trevor Sargent, the leader said he’d never take them into coalition with FF and resigned as leader the day before the agreement was struck but was also happy to take a post as junior minister in that govt.

They tried to pull a fast one in the negotiations where the cabinet would be reshuffled after two years so the non ministerial members of the parliamentary party could become ministers. Why two years you ask? Well two years is the minimum requirement to qualify for a ministerial pension. Even FF couldn’t stomach that one. I know people who left the party in disgust at them abandoning a central tenet of their existence. Clean politics how are he?


Yes, the Greens that used to be so against corruption and for probity and transparencies in politics until they got a chance to get their hands on power. They did a deal with the devil Fianna Fáil and ended up voting for NAMA, in return for the ban on mink farms that didn’t come through. Like Seamus Brennan said “senior hurling” indeed.

It’s tempting to call them naive, but their actions are dangerous. Like letting someone light a match in a fireworks factory.

This betrays an incomplete understanding of what actually happened. The reality is the deal was voted for and approved of by the Green party membership. IIRC the vote was approx 60/40. That's what their rules required.

As for NAMA, what was the alternative?

tdf7187

is_that_so wrote: »

You seem to have missed a lot, and this looks like a post that has just emerged
from about 2010, particularly that insulting voters are not a terribly good way to change minds.

I couldn't care less, I'm not out there campaigning or running for office. I believe that Ireland has a national case of Stockholm Syndrome. I don't care if 60% of the population, the ones who vote for Zanu Fianna Gael are insulted by my comments. I don't like those people and I sure as damnit don't need or want their approval. Kapiche?

Boredstiff666

Wouldn't worry about it Ireland is toast come Brexit as Leo backed the wrong horse. Added to that the countries debt is spiralling out of control due to him thinking the way to run an economy is to just borrow more money.

Die Hard 2019

tdf7187 wrote: »

I couldn't care less, I'm not out there campaigning or running for office. I believe that Ireland has a national case of Stockholm Syndrome. I don't care if 60% of the population, the ones who vote for Zanu Fianna Gael are insulted by my comments. I don't like those people and I sure as damnit don't need or want their approval. Kapiche?

What is Zanu FG

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about it Ireland is toast come Brexit as Leo backed the wrong horse. Added to that the countries debt is spiralling out of control due to him thinking the way to run an economy is to just borrow more money.

It's really not spiralling at all. Next year there is debt to be redeemed but most other debt is long-term and Paschal has said he'd like to operate a surplus. You'd expect the same from any other MOF. Not entirely sure what Leo could ever have done about Brexit though.

is_that_so

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

What is Zanu FG

Blueshirts!:D The Zanu thing was comparing FF to Mugabe's behaviour. Very 2010 term though!

tonycascarino

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

The motion failed but honestly cannot believe they voted for such a proposal. Could this do them damage at a national election as they will probably run on increasing taxes in 2020.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/green-party-meps-back-proposal-to-remove-irelands-eu-tax-veto-38805187.html

Between voting for Ireland to lose their EU Tax veto, their whackjob climate change ideas and their stupidity of trying to reintroduce wolves into Ireland, the Green Party are stone useless anyway.

BoJack Horseman

Fake news.

The EU love Ireland.
They would never trample on our tax sovereignty like that.

Just as they would not saddle the Irish people with tens of billions of debt we had no part in accumulating.

Thelonious Monk

I still think the greens will do well in next GE, by their standards. Obvs it'll mostly be FF and FG winning seats. They've got my vote anyway.

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not spiralling at all. Next year there is debt to be redeemed but most other debt is long-term and Paschal has said he'd like to operate a surplus. You'd expect the same from any other MOF. Not entirely sure what Leo could ever have done about Brexit though.

It would have helped if he hadnt kept going on Brit tv and attacked the Brits making enemies thinking the EU will back him up.

Debt is debt....it still has to be repaid and when you know hard times are coming you do not keep borrowing more.

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

It would have helped if he hadnt kept going on Brit tv and attacked the Brits making enemies thinking the EU will back him up.

Debt is debt....it still has to be repaid and when you know hard times are coming you do not keep borrowing more.

Nah, very little sovereign debt does although we will probably want to retire some of ours in due course. It generally just rolls over and over, affordability is the key.

Akrasia

The greens didn’t vote to just get rid of Ireland’s Veto, they voted to get rid of everyone’s veto and it was obviously intended to allow the EU to introduce a common tax policy to regulate polluting economic activity which aligns perfectly with the Green party’s reason for being

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

Nah, very little sovereign does although we will probably want to retire some of ours in due course. It generally just rolls over and over, affordability is the key.

When you run a business the only time you borrow money is when you would have had to give money to the tax man.

When you run a country only those who cant run a car boot sale borrow money.

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

When you run a business the only time you borrow money is when you would have had to give money to the tax man.

When you run a country only those who cant run a car boot sale borrow money.

Neither of these examples apply to sovereign debt. It lives in a world of its own. As long as there are buyers of such debt at offered rates, countries will issue it.

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

Neither of these examples apply to sovereign debt. It lives in a world of its own. As long as there are buyers of such debt at offered rates, countries will issue it.

Debt is debt it has to be repaid with hard working peoples tax money.

Wibbs

circadian wrote: »

Wow a lot of hatred for the Greens. I don't usually vote for them but I get the feeling a lot of the derision is from people who don't want to face up to the fact that they are, in a way, correct in running with environmental issues as their core tenant and have been for some time.

Environmental issues are certainly extremely important, but when you hear some of the pronouncements from said Greens, who are supposed to be the ones who are promoting and understanding it, you have to scratch your head, to the point of drawing blood at some of the utter stupidities involved. QV that recent suggestion that we reintroduce wolves into Ireland. Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks something like that is even close to a goer is a grade A fcuking moron, on a few levels.

washman3 wrote: »

Eamon Ryan must be one of the biggest conmen that ever darkened the door of Leinster House, yet is given a virtual free ride by the mainstream media.

Indeed as per above Mr Ryan:

Asked did he support the reintroduction of wolves, Mr Ryan said: “I think yes. Bring back a sense of wildness. Bring back a balance of ecology in the the sense that those wolves would prey on deer that are holding back forestry at the present time.

“Look at other countries that have ecosystems and are more resilient and more attractive,” He said.

That's the level of crosseyed idiocy on offer from that fool. And he's their bloody leader. You couldn't make that level of dense up. Oh and I don't think he's a conman W, well beyond the usual political class looking out for salaries and pensions. I almost wish he and his supporters were conmen, that would be better than bumbling ignoramuses.

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Debt is debt it has to be repaid with hard working peoples tax money.

The interest is paid and eventually one tranche of debt has to be redeemed but that's most often done by issuing new debt. The length of the terms generally means that the actual effect on an economy is diluted by the effect of inflation. This type of debt is the only way really big visions can be achieved but I do think its use to cover Budget debt should be limited. Most of our current sovereign debt came out of the need to run the country during those grim years.

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

Most of our current sovereign debt came out of the need to run the country during those grim years.

Exactly......from February onwards when Irelands best friend and next door neighbour will turn their backs on us thanks to Leo and co as the 'grim years' return.

So anything the Greens or green men from Mars have plans for is just dreaming.

Akrasia

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Exactly......from February onwards when Irelands best friend and next door neighbour will turn their backs on us thanks to Leo and co as the 'grim years' return.

So anything the Greens or green men from Mars have plans for is just dreaming.

How exactly is it Leo’s fault that the UK are leaving the EU?

Boredstiff666

Akrasia wrote: »

How exactly is it Leo’s fault that the UK are leaving the EU?

None but the Brits hate him as he was one who constantly told them they were wrong and made everything more difficult all of last year. He was even talking of Irish reunification such was his attempt to gain glory and stir things up. Even some ministers told him to button it. He was over on Sky tv more than Kay Burley.

Basically he has made it harder for anybody to do anything now.

Anyway gone off topic so..........

listermint

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about it Ireland is toast come Brexit as Leo backed the wrong horse. Added to that the countries debt is spiralling out of control due to him thinking the way to run an economy is to just borrow more money.

Written and thanked by someone without a real grasp of the subject matter.

Montage of Feck

Free market libertarians with a green bow on top is all they are. Useful idiots for a global free maket agenda that depends on unlimited growth and consumerism, the biggest environmental threats of them all.
Remember the last genius plan to get the plebs to buy new cars?