Irish political parties - Election 2020

carq

With election 2020 looming can you help me identify which political party is closest to my belief system below?
It seems we have a different shades of the same party across the board.
What are the political parties positions on below issues?


Against minimum alcohol pricing.
Against abuse of ‘compensation culture, insurance gouging.
Against Hate speech legislation, restrictions on freedom of speech
Against ‘Dole culture’ , rewarding + incentivising people
Against waste of public resources
Against pandering to RTE - more public funding, Against TV licence in general.
Against pandering to Pavee point, traveler culture.

In favour of infrastructure projects that will long term help country.
In favour of increased funding to Gardai, increased prison spaces, tougher sentencing.
In favour of releasing church grip on irish institutions – health service, schools.
In favour of ‘’making work pay’’, supports for working families - childcare etc.

TwoMonthsOff

The National Party

carq

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

The National Party

Are they anti immegration party ?

It might sound like i am right wing but i have no problem with immigration, liberal on many social issues, gay marriage / abortion etc, but would be be against a lot of the nanny state / pc nonsence this govt seems hell bent on introducing.

Is there a centre party where they are not anti immigration but tough on internal social issues and encourage ersonal freedoms ?

ELM327

The national party are a bunch of irexit supporting women hating morons.

I've a similar belief system to you, OP, right wing fiscally but socially liberal, and pro work.
In the absence of anything better, I'm a FG voter awaiting something further to the right

Loafing Oaf

Are you seriously asking this question, OP, or just letting off steam? Surely someone capable of drawing up an articulate manifesto like your post would be able to visit this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland and figuring out which of the parties is closest to, or least far from, your ideal.

I suspect most people with broadly similar beliefs would, like ELM327, regard FG as the best of a bad lot at present.

carq

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Are you seriously asking this question, OP, or just letting off steam? Surely someone capable of drawing up an articulate manifesto like your post would be able to visit this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland and figuring out which of the parties is closest to, or least far from, your ideal.

I suspect most people with broadly similar beliefs would, like ELM327, regard FG as the best of a bad lot at present.

Genuine question
If FG are closest to my points above then i am in trouble.
I find it hard to separate the parties on these issues, find information on what their policies are.
Is there no centre party in Ireland ?

Eric Cartman

carq wrote: »

With election 2020 looming can you help me identify which political party is closest to my belief system below?
It seems we have a different shades of the same party across the board.
What are the political parties positions on below issues?


Against minimum alcohol pricing.
Against abuse of ‘compensation culture, insurance gouging.
Against Hate speech legislation, restrictions on freedom of speech
Against ‘Dole culture’ , rewarding + incentivising people
Against waste of public resources
Against pandering to RTE - more public funding, Against TV licence in general.
Against pandering to Pavee point, traveler culture.

In favour of infrastructure projects that will long term help country.
In favour of increased funding to Gardai, increased prison spaces, tougher sentencing.
In favour of releasing church grip on irish institutions – health service, schools.
In favour of ‘’making work pay’’, supports for working families - childcare etc.

thats all a bit right of centre , sadly theres literally nobody to represent you, im in the same boat here.

Thelonious Monk

It's very strange. In the UK Elections, at least parties were coming out with manifestos.
Opposing parties to FG aren't going to come out and say things that they'll actually do, do they ever do that in Ireland?

mikemac2

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's very strange. In the UK Elections, at least parties were coming out with manifestos.
Opposing parties to FG aren't going to come out and say things that they'll actually do, do they ever do that in Ireland?

Every Irish party has a manifesto before elections and they try to cost it all

You will find these available to read and download on their websites

Seriously it’s not hidden away, they want people to read them

Same is also done each year with their alternative budgets.

If that is what you want it’s already available

Thelonious Monk

mikemac2 wrote: »

Every Irish party has a manifesto before elections and they try to cost it all

You will find these available to read and download on their websites

Seriously it’s not hidden away, they want people to read them

Same is also done each year with their alternative budgets.

If that is what you want it’s already available

I have never been living in Ireland of voting age during a GE, so the next one will be my first. I may be wrong but they don't seem to drive home the main points of what they'll do if they get in power, actual tangible points like we'll build a metro, we'll build a new high rise quarter of apartments for workers, we'll build segregated bike lanes etc. etc.

https://ireland.isidewith.com/en/political-quiz

Give this a go OP.

Stark

Fine Gael promised a lot of what you're asking for last time round. Don't think they've delivered on most of it though.

Loafing Oaf

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I have never been living in Ireland of voting age during a GE, so the next one will be my first. I may be wrong but they don't seem to drive home the main points of what they'll do if they get in power, actual tangible points like we'll build a metro, we'll build a new high rise quarter of apartments for workers, we'll build segregated bike lanes etc. etc.

Maybe they've learned not to after Labour made a litany of such specific commitments ahead of the 2011 election and, after it got into government, felt obliged to renege on most/all of them.

Thelonious Monk

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Maybe they've learned not to after Labour made a litany of such specific commitments ahead of the 2011 election and, after it got into government, felt obliged to renege on most/all of them.

So how are you supposed to know who to vote for?

carq

Deleted User wrote: »

https://ireland.isidewith.com/en/political-quiz

Give this a go OP.

Loits of strange questions in that quiz. none really dealing with what i mentioned in OP.

Results

FG - 82%
FF - 79%
SF - 78%
Green - 75%
SD - 71%
Labour - 69%


The fact that there is 4% difference between the top 3 parties says it all i suppose

Loafing Oaf

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So how are you supposed to know who to vote for?

Well how much detail do you need? Surely you have a general idea where they stand ideologically?

Riskymove

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Maybe they've learned not to after Labour made a litany of such specific commitments ahead of the 2011 election and, after it got into government, felt obliged to renege on most/all of them.

but that is the key issue

unless the party has a majority it must agree a programme with coalition partners (or in the current case with a number of partners as well as an agreement with the main opposition party)

Unless it has a majority it simply cannot just bring in its own policies

Clarence Boddiker

ELM327 wrote: »

The national party are a bunch of irexit supporting women hating morons.

I've a similar belief system to you, OP, right wing fiscally but socially liberal, and pro work.
In the absence of anything better, I'm a FG voter awaiting something further to the right

The National Party are not in favour of Ireland leaving the Eu, you might be mixing them up with the Irish Freedom Party.

They have plenty of Women members too.

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

https://ireland.isidewith.com/en/political-quiz

Give this a go OP.

Interesting
https://ireland.isidewith.com/en/profile/4065626482/parties

Riskymove

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So how are you supposed to know who to vote for?

here is an example

https://www.finegael.ie/our-policies/



all parties have similar and will have more literature nearer election

Riskymove

carq wrote: »

Loits of strange questions in that quiz. none really dealing with what i mentioned in OP.

I would have said it was impossible to be both 82% FG and 78% SF to be honest

not sure how you could do that

ELM327

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

The National Party are not in favour of Ireland leaving the Eu, you might be mixing them up with the Irish Freedom Party.

They have plenty of Women members too.

Ah sorry, yes they arent the irexit loons, they are the anti capitalist loons.
And still anti women as they are anti choice.

jimgoose

Discounting the usual loopers, and you know who they are, I'd say the best the OP could do at the moment around here is FG.

Loafing Oaf

Riskymove wrote: »

but that is the key issue

unless the party has a majority it must agree a programme with coalition partners (or in the current case with a number of partners as well as an agreement with the main opposition party)

Unless it has a majority it simply cannot just bring in its own policies

Parties shouldn't make red-line commitments on policy then.

If Gilmore had said Labour will 'resist Fine Gael plans to cut child benefit' or somesuch people who have got the message. By saying emphatically that Labour would 'not agree' to further cuts in child benefit and the going and agreeing to them they were treating their voters with contempt.

Boggles

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

The National Party are not in favour of Ireland leaving the Eu, you might be mixing them up with the Irish Freedom Party.

They have plenty of Women members too.

Yeah plenty women are anti women though.

The National Party are plain old racist God Bothers whose "leader" is a Cosplay Neo Nazi Wannabe.

Little Justin. Bless is bigoted little socks.

Do you know how many candidates they are running?

Riskymove

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Parties shouldn't make red-line commitments on policy then.

If Gilmore had said Labour will 'resist Fine Gael plans to cut child benefit' or somesuch people who have got the message. By saying emphatically that Labour would 'not agree' to further cuts in child benefit and the going and agreeing to them they were treating their voters with contempt.

certainly but that example is a bit different to what I was talking about in terms of manifestos

I still think they will all produce manifestos but they may well learn from last minute redlines like that and student fees etc

WrenBoy

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah plenty women are anti women though.

The National Party are plain old racist God Bothers whose "leader" is a Cosplay Neo Nazi Wannabe.

Little Justin. Bless is bigoted little socks.

Do you know how many candidates they are running?

Are you just having a laugh or is there credence to this? I've been hearing more about this party the last while but haven't done any research on them yet. Is he a "nazi" like everyone these days is a nazi or is he genuinely a racist ?

ELM327

WrenBoy wrote: »

Are you just having a laugh or is there credence to this? I've been hearing more about this party the last while but haven't done any research on them yet. Is he a "nazi" like everyone these days is a nazi or is he genuinely a racist ?

https://www.thejournal.ie/justin-barrett-national-party-3089289-Nov2016/


"Barrett also admitted attending rallies held by Nazi-sympathiser group the NDP and Italian fascist organisation Forza Nuova."

Boggles

WrenBoy wrote: »

Are you just having a laugh or is there credence to this? I've been hearing more about this party the last while but haven't done any research on them yet. Is he a "nazi" like everyone these days is a nazi or is he genuinely a racist ?

Where have you been hearing about them out of interest?

The last I heard on here by a member is they have to meet in secret.

Riskymove

Boggles wrote: »

Where have you been hearing about them out of interest?

The last I heard on here by a member is they have to meet in secret.

they have a website you know with articles and their policies etc.

WrenBoy

Boggles wrote: »

Where have you been hearing about them out of interest?

The last I heard on here by a member is they have to meet in secret.

I saw chatter on twitter about them in relation to the DP centres a while ago and had youtube suggest videos of speeches they gave when I was searching/watching politicians discussing the immigration crisis and brexit. I'd never heard of them before so I said I'd look into them, went out of my head until I saw them mentioned here.

Clarence Boddiker

WrenBoy wrote: »

Are you just having a laugh or is there credence to this? I've been hearing more about this party the last while but haven't done any research on them yet. Is he a "nazi" like everyone these days is a nazi or is he genuinely a racist ?

He's had some associations in the past with the likes of Jorg Haider who was considered far right and regarded as a Nazi.

I myself wouldn't have given him the time of day back then but since he's re emerged with the National Party I've been consistently surprised and impressed with his analysis of the malaise thats currently enveloping Ireland.

ELM327

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

He's had some associations in the past with the likes of Jorg Haider who was considered far right and regarded as a Nazi.

I myself wouldn't have given him the time of day back then but since he's re emerged with the National Party I've been consistently surprised and impressed with his analysis of the malaise thats currently enveloping Ireland.

Nonsense post, checks join date,


Hello Mr Barrett!

Boggles

Riskymove wrote: »

they have a website you know with articles and their policies etc.

They don't have any policies.

They have a few bullet points.

Against abortion very much for the death penalty, blah, blah, immigrants, etc.

Boggles

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

He's had some associations in the past with the likes of Jorg Haider who was considered far right and regarded as a Nazi.

I myself wouldn't have given him the time of day back then but since he's re emerged with the National Party I've been consistently surprised and impressed with his analysis of the malaise thats currently enveloping Ireland.

How many candidates are ye running?

Boggles

WrenBoy wrote: »

I saw chatter on twitter about them in relation to the DP centres a while ago and had youtube suggest videos of speeches they gave when I was searching/watching politicians discussing the immigration crisis and brexit. I'd never heard of them before so I said I'd look into them, went out of my head until I saw them mentioned here.

Don't bother.

Clarence Boddiker

WrenBoy wrote: »

I saw chatter on twitter about them in relation to the DP centres a while ago and had youtube suggest videos of speeches they gave when I was searching/watching politicians discussing the immigration crisis and brexit. I'd never heard of them before so I said I'd look into them, went out of my head until I saw them mentioned here.

Great conversation here between Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters and Justin Barrett. I know that will make a few heads explode here on Boards, Gemma doesn't really have much to say its mostly Waters and Barrett.

Upon watching this, if anything it shows how far we are gone in the sense that this conversation would never take place in the mainstream Irish media and thats a terrible and terrifying thing.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bS4Wz4Joh36V/

Loafing Oaf

Stark wrote: »

Fine Gael promised a lot of what you're asking for last time round.

Did they? Don't remember them committing to much of this.

carq wrote: »

Against minimum alcohol pricing.
Against abuse of ‘compensation culture, insurance gouging.
Against Hate speech legislation,
Against pandering to RTE - more public funding, Against TV licence in general.
Against pandering to Pavee point, traveler culture.

ELM327

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Great conversation here between Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters and Justin Barrett. I know that will make a few heads explode here on Boards, Gemma doesn't really have much to say its mostly Waters and Barrett.

Upon watching this, if anything it shows how far we are gone in the sense that this conversation would never take place in the mainstream Irish media and thats a terrible and terrifying thing.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bS4Wz4Joh36V/

if those three got shot by ISIS in the morning, would anyone attend their funeral?

jimgoose

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Great conversation here between Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters and Justin Barrett...

As fine a collection of loopers, ne'er-do-wells and whingers as you'd encounter in a long day's walk. :pac::pac::pac:

Bishop of hope

carq wrote: »

With election 2020 looming can you help me identify which political party is closest to my belief system below?
It seems we have a different shades of the same party across the board.
What are the political parties positions on below issues?


Against minimum alcohol pricing.
Against abuse of ‘compensation culture, insurance gouging.
Against Hate speech legislation, restrictions on freedom of speech
Against ‘Dole culture’ , rewarding + incentivising people
Against waste of public resources
Against pandering to RTE - more public funding, Against TV licence in general.
Against pandering to Pavee point, traveler culture.

In favour of infrastructure projects that will long term help country.
In favour of increased funding to Gardai, increased prison spaces, tougher sentencing.
In favour of releasing church grip on irish institutions – health service, schools.
In favour of ‘’making work pay’’, supports for working families - childcare etc.

Contact Jeff Rudd, his party is for everyone.

Loafing Oaf

Not sure why the thread is being dragged down a National Party cul de sac; it's pretty clear they're not the droids OP is looking for

ELM327

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Contact Jeff Rudd, his party is for everyone.

Another nonsense "politician"

Bishop of hope

ELM327 wrote: »

Another nonsense "politician"

I was being satirical, the op is a bit of nonsense too don't you think?

carq

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I was being satirical, the op is a bit of nonsense too don't you think?

It is a genuine question about the political options for 2020 and what the parties represent. I'm still no clearer.
Another way of looking at it - what are top five policy differences between FF and FG?

Bishop of hope

carq wrote: »

It is a genuine question about the political options for 2020 and what the parties represent. I'm still no clearer.
Another way of looking at it - what are top five policy differences between FF and FG?

Well its obviously not a genuine question imo, its just a basic scam to see how many will criticise FF or FG or others for not having all the things you mentioned in a manifesto.

jimgoose

carq wrote: »

It is a genuine question about the political options for 2020 and what the parties represent. I'm still no clearer.
Another way of looking at it - what are top five policy differences between FF and FG?

Despite what some people may be desperate to persuade you of, there is no ideological difference between FF and FG, except in the matter of Northern Ireland. FG don't give a monkey's about it, FF also don't give a monkey's about it but find it politically useful to be seen to be talking about it. Beyond that, it's a mere matter of who your great-grandfathers drank pints with and fired bullets at. :pac:

matt3326

carq wrote: »

With election 2020 looming can you help me identify which political party is closest to my belief system below?
It seems we have a different shades of the same party across the board.
What are the political parties positions on below issues?


Against minimum alcohol pricing.
Against abuse of ‘compensation culture, insurance gouging.
Against Hate speech legislation, restrictions on freedom of speech
Against ‘Dole culture’ , rewarding + incentivising people
Against waste of public resources
Against pandering to RTE - more public funding, Against TV licence in general.
Against pandering to Pavee point, traveler culture.

In favour of infrastructure projects that will long term help country.
In favour of increased funding to Gardai, increased prison spaces, tougher sentencing.
In favour of releasing church grip on irish institutions – health service, schools.
In favour of ‘’making work pay’’, supports for working families - childcare etc.

The Greens. They are actually alot more Fiscally Conservative than they portray themselves. They are very in favour of Long Term Infrastructure and reducing Social Benefits/making work pay.

You're not going to find any party that is against Traveller's, given they are a recognized native ethnic minority.
Same with Hate Speech, all political parties in Ireland are very afraid of turning into America lite with GoD and her crew rolling around plus all the arson attacks on Refugee centers so you will struggle to find a party meeting that..

ELM327

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Don't be arsey. Talk your shyte without having to drag me in, thanks.

Excuse me?
Unless you're Justin Barrett there's nothing to do with you in my post! Do you follow me or something? I have better things to do than think about you in every post!

Loafing Oaf

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Well its obviously not a genuine question imo, its just a basic scam to see how many will criticise FF or FG or others for not having all the things you mentioned in a manifesto.

I think it's a valid exercise even if the OP is just venting their frustration, as it clarifies that FG and FF are not offering a lot of the things that people on the centre right such as carq are looking for, even though they are widely seen as conservative.

carq

matt3326 wrote: »

The Greens. They are actually alot more Fiscally Conservative than they portray themselves. They are very in favour of Long Term Infrastructure and reducing Social Benefits/making work pay.

You're not going to find any party that is against Traveller's, given they are a recognized native ethnic minority.
Same with Hate Speech, all political parties in Ireland are very afraid of turning into America lite with GoD and her crew rolling around plus all the arson attacks on Refugee centers so you will struggle to find a party meeting that..

Ill ignore that bishop lad - seems a bit off.
Would the greens start taxing everything , higher earners ?