Arrested after Work Christmas Party?

Conor84

Was at my Christmas Party at the weekend, All went OK and 3 of us left after midnight to go somewhere else. A few hours later things got a bit messy and 2 of us had a bit of a "dispute" and it didn't end up well and I ended up getting arrested. Really regret what happened but am dealing with it now.

I am due back in work on Wednesday have been told I have to see my Manager when I am back in. I am just wondering what powers my job have about this especially if the Gardai are dealing with this? This happened outside work time so should they be getting involved at all?

mikeym

Your expected to behave the same as you were in work when your at a Work Christmas Party.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/can-you-sacked-what-happens-17417990

Berserker5

All went OK....lol

They might just want a word

harr

Work wise I would imagine you are ok as the incident didn’t happen at the work party and also the fact you had left the party.
If it had of happened at the party that’s a different matter. Could be repercussions because it involved another member of staff not sure of that.

Atlantic Dawn

How would your employer know you were arrested?

Larbre34

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

How would your employer know you were arrested?

Because its 2019.

jaxxx

Larbre34 wrote: »

Because its 2019.

+ it was probably posted all over Facebook or whatever social media forms these young 'uns are at these days.

Atlantic Dawn

Larbre34 wrote: »

Because its 2019.

Less reason in 2019 with GDPR.

AmberGold

I’ve worked in company where lads (grown men and professionals) have had fisty fights in the office and got away with warnings. Couldn’t make it up.

I’d be thinking about a few sincere apologies, written if needs be. Wouldn’t be worrying who’s at fault, bury the pride on this occasion.

Irishphotodesk

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Less reason in 2019 with GDPR.

Except these days , the kids will change Facebook status, or update it with details of what happened.... Without thinking about the fact they are Facebook friends with co-workers.

BDI

Who won the fight?

Conor84

harr wrote: »

Work wise I would imagine you are ok as the incident didn’t happen at the work party and also the fact you had left the party.
If it had of happened at the party that’s a different matter. Could be repercussions because it involved another member of staff not sure of that.

Yeah it didn't happen at the party itself but it was with another person from work after the party.

Mrs OBumble

harr wrote: »

Work wise I would imagine you are ok as the incident didn’t happen at the work party and also the fact you had left the party.

Nope.

It happened with a work colleague. Work are involved and were brought into disrepute when the guards asked how you know each other.

If I was your boss, you'd be fired. Others may be more lenient.

As it wasn't at the Christmas party it shouldn't be any of their business. Now, if the person you had an altercation with happens to be the CEO, you might have a problem.

Conor84

AmberGold wrote: »

I’ve worked in company where lads (grown men and professionals) have had fisty fights in the office and got away with warnings. Couldn’t make it up.

I’d be thinking about a few sincere apologies, written if needs be. Wouldn’t be worrying who’s at fault, bury the pride on this occasion.

I do want to sort it out with work but know it will be awkward but not sure if it could go against me if it goes to court or something. Just annoyed at myself and dreading going back in knowing people have been talking about me.

Strazdas

Deleted User wrote: »

As it wasn't at the Christmas party it shouldn't be any of their business. Now, if the person you had an altercation with happens to be the CEO, you might have a problem.

You could argue that it was directly work party related and would not have happened without the Christmas party being held. Getting into technicalities about whether the incident happened on the premises of the party or elsewhere may not be enough to get him off the hook.

dartboardio

I would imagine if things got messy then they might want to see you about how drunk you were / how you were acting rather than the Gardaí having informed them of anything.

And yeah I suppose everyone knows you need to try take it easy on work nights to avoid things like this happening.. You're expected to act accordingly.


Hope it all works out anyway

Maybe they just wanna see your side of the story

Conor84

No I don't think the Gardai were in touch with work about what happened - just the 2 others from work who were there. When I was getting released and got my phone back I had plenty of messages about it - gave people plenty to gossip about.

delly

Without wanting to sound like a snowflake modern 2020 view, if this is a company with a modern HR policy, they might be in for some hassle if they failed in their duty of care to you as an employee. It's obviously your own fault, but in this modern world, if the company filled you full of drink, then they have some responsibility for the consequences.

LollipopJimmy

Conor84 wrote: »

No I don't think the Gardai were in touch with work about what happened - just the 2 others from work who were there. When I was getting released and got my phone back I had plenty of messages about it - gave people plenty to gossip about.

Was there free drink at the work party? If so you might have an argument but every colleague will hate you cos it'll never happen again

ZX7R

Read your contract possible that you and the other individual brought the company name into dissreput

punisher5112

Would the other party to the fight.... Maybe have spoken to management and state they would not be willing to work alongside?

I'd be thinking of getting out to be honest unless you can both come to terms and forgive.

Tough one and I'm sure embarrassing.

Do you have a union?

If yes bring a rep with you.

If it's a formal setting and it's basically an interview I'd honestly be thinking of the no comment rule....

I've had to use it myself but I was actually carrying out my duties but they tried to pin it on me different to how things happened.

thecowgoesmoo

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Nope.

It happened with a work colleague. Work are involved and were brought into disrepute when the guards asked how you know each other.

If I was your boss, you'd be fired. Others may be more lenient.

If your in a good company who respects their employees then you should be fine OP, I changed jobs to specifically get away from people like Mrs O Bumble (No offence). I worked in places like this and now work in a great multinational company in IT where they respect their employees with a great life work balance where you can have a honest conversation with your boss about anything and they always see the best in you, not the worst.

Toxic work environment is rotten thing to go into everyday.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Less reason in 2019 with GDPR.

If it happens in a public place, nothing to stop onlookers recording and sharing it. Happens all the time, a member of the public is not a data controller.

If they sack you take them to the cleaners. It didn’t happen at their event.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If they sack you take them to the cleaners. It didn’t happen at their event.

It did happen with a work colleague though, after a work event. So it might not be as clear cut as you think, particularly if the colleague makes a complaint.

Limpy

If you instigated the fight and the other person came off worse they will sack you. Give up the sauce lad if it's making you rowdy.

Jim2007

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Less reason in 2019 with GDPR.

Do you thinking every Tom, Dick and Harry that posts a video even knows what the GDPR is???? Once it is out there, there is no way of reeling it back in no matter what the law says.

Rigor Mortis

Two best pieces of advice in this thread are, find if you have a union available to you and cut back on the sauce.

yosser hughes

Employers have to tread very,very carefully when they are dismissing someone. Use that to your advantage. There are processes to go through. If you are called in to a meeting it should be stated to you if it is disciplinary or not and if it is them you should have someone there with you.
In my opinion you'll be okay as they are unlikely to allow you back in the office if they thought it was very serious. They'd have most likely sent you a letter.
Be confident and take no shyte.
Good luck

whomitconcerns

thecowgoesmoo wrote: »

If your in a good company who respects their employees then you should be fine OP, I changed jobs to specifically get away from people like Mrs O Bumble (No offence). I worked in places like this and now work in a great multinational company in IT where they respect their employees with a great life work balance where you can have a honest conversation with your boss about anything and they always see the best in you, not the worst.

Toxic work environment is rotten thing to go into everyday.

I would say a more toxic work environment would be one where I had to remain working with someone who started s fight with me so severe the police got involved... But we don't have the details so hard to assess.

whomitconcerns

whomitconcerns wrote: »

I would say a more toxic work environment would be one where I had to remain working with someone who started s fight with me so severe the police got involved... But we don't have the details so hard to assess.

Sorry, where does it say who started it?

yosser hughes

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Sorry, where does it say who started it?

It doesn't and the OP doesn't state whether he was charged or not either; or if anyone else was charged.
Were you charged with anything OP? Given an adult caution maybe?

Cork Lass

Ok, good luck with the meeting today. If you feel that the meeting is turning into a disciplinary then you have the right to say that you are unhappy to proceed and request that it be reconvened when you have a representative (union or otherwise) with you. Everyone f*cks up at some stage in their life so learn from it but don’t beat yourself up about it and remember “this too shall pass”.

listermint

thecowgoesmoo wrote: »

If your in a good company who respects their employees then you should be fine OP, I changed jobs to specifically get away from people like Mrs O Bumble (No offence). I worked in places like this and now work in a great multinational company in IT where they respect their employees with a great life work balance where you can have a honest conversation with your boss about anything and they always see the best in you, not the worst.

Toxic work environment is rotten thing to go into everyday.

Ay ya. Toxic work environment means you get absolutely blattered and start fights with colleague's so much so to get the Gaurds involved and shipped off to the cells for the night.

Do people believe this crap.

Op evidently you can't handle your beer. So you should either stop going out in similar circumstances or lay of the alcohol.

Expect to lose your job I'm sure there's some gross misconduct in the contract somewhere.

I love how everyone is offloading the ops personal responsibility on this one. If this was about a walker falling in the mountains and suing the state then the boards massive would be up in arms.


Own your actions fella.

u140acro3xs7dm

listermint wrote: »

Ay ya. Toxic work environment means you get absolutely blattered and start fights with colleague's so much so to get the Gaurds involved and shipped off to the cells for the night.

Do people believe this crap.

Op evidently you can't handle your beer. So you should either stop going out in similar circumstances or lay of the alcohol.

Expect to lose your job I'm sure there's some gross misconduct in the contract somewhere.

I love how everyone is offloading the ops personal responsibility on this one. If this was about a walker falling in the mountains and suing the state then the boards massive would be up in arms.


Own your actions fella.

It will be hard for the company to sack OP unless they can prove it was work-related. They had left the Christmas party at this stage, the fact that the other party is a colleague probably doesn't come into it, for example, I am close friends with some of my colleagues and often meet them outside of work.

That said, a quick look at OPs other posts show it isn't the first time he has been arrested while drunk. I am not sure whether he was working with the same company at the time, but the company would probably have a case if one of its employees is consistently getting arrested while drunk, it could harm the reputation and integrity of the organisation.

Whether you lose your job or not, you clearly have a problem with alcohol, and how to behave while drinking it.

listermint

Finley Moldy Stereoscope wrote: »

It will be hard for the company to sack OP unless they can prove it was work-related. They had left the Christmas party at this stage, the fact that the other party is a colleague probably doesn't come into it, for example, I am close friends with some of my colleagues and often meet them outside of work.

That said, a quick look at OPs other posts show it isn't the first time he has been arrested while drunk. I am not sure whether he was working with the same company at the time, but the company would probably have a case if one of its employees is consistently getting arrested while drunk, it could harm the reputation and integrity of the organisation.

Whether you lose your job or not, you clearly have a problem with alcohol, and how to behave while drinking it.

Form coming out of his ears.

Hannibal_Smith

But the OP and their 3 buddies left the Christmas Party at midnight to go elsewhere. If they left the Company Christmas Party, surely it doesnt affect the company?

Rainbow Kitty

Have you spoken to your colleague since OP?
Maybe break the ice with him before you go to your meeting, might stand to you.

whomitconcerns

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

But the OP and their 3 buddies left the Christmas Party at midnight to go elsewhere. If they left the Company Christmas Party, surely it doesnt affect the company?

How would it not affect the company, if they have to work in the same environment, other colleagues worrying about interacting with the op, etc .? But reality depends on the severity,? Are we talking handbags or real physical damage caused to one another

Francie Barrett

My company would view a fight with a colleague on the night of the Christmas party as no different to a fight on company property during work hours. Gross misconduct and dismissal. Be prepared for the worst I'd say.

riemann

AmberGold wrote: »

I’d be thinking about a few sincere apologies, written if needs be. Wouldn’t be worrying who’s at fault, bury the pride on this occasion.

Terrible advice.

Never admit liability.

riemann

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If I was your boss, you'd be fired. Others may be more lenient.

How are things down at the Workplace Relations Comission?

Hannibal_Smith

whomitconcerns wrote: »

How would it not affect the company, if they have to work in the same environment, other colleagues worrying about interacting with the op, etc .? But reality depends on the severity,? Are we talking handbags or real physical damage caused to one another

If its a conversation to smooth over the tension that makes sense.

Bob Harris

What were you arrested for? Assault? A public order offence?

SteM

riemann wrote: »

Terrible advice.

Never admit liability.

Apologising for something occurring is not admitting liability.

Francie Barrett

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/12/aa-boss-fired-hotel-punch-up-blames-booze-pills-sustained-attack/amp/

gmisk

Francie Barrett wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/12/aa-boss-fired-hotel-punch-up-blames-booze-pills-sustained-attack/amp/

That was at Xmas party, op said he had left Xmas party a couple of hours earlier...I would have thought that makes a difference?

listermint

gmisk wrote: »

That was at Xmas party, op said he had left Xmas party a couple of hours earlier...I would have thought that makes a difference?

Semantics. They could have had a fight in the street outside the venue and you'd argue it had no attachment to the work gig.

This fella needs to knock the drink on the head.

Mrs OBumble

whomitconcerns wrote: »

How would it not affect the company, if they have to work in the same environment, other colleagues worrying about interacting with the op, etc .? But reality depends on the severity,? Are we talking handbags or real physical damage caused to one another

Guards don't get involved with handbags.

OP, your previous posts on this board all seem to be related to getting arrested, prisoners, community service etc.

Forget about the job, you can always find another one.

What really needs attention is yourself! Why are you getting arrested and aggressive when you drink? Maybe see a counsellor or get some help.