Sane enough to smuggle self to Ireland...

not sane enough to know not to murder.

Sure God love him.

Better Than Christ

Buttonftw wrote: »

not sane enough to know not to murder.

Sure God love him.

Did you read the article?

During the trial two consultant psychiatrists gave evidence that Mr Morei was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia at the time and did not know that what he was doing was wrong and was unable to refrain from his actions.

ollkiller

Buttonftw wrote: »

not sane enough to know not to murder.

Sure God love him.

You're the expert on paranoid schizophrenia are ya. Do enlighten us.

It must have been fairly compelling evidence if it only took the jury twenty-four minutes to deliberate.

ollkiller

Deleted User wrote: »

It must have been fairly compelling evidence if it only took the jury twenty-four minutes to deliberate.

Seemingly so. There's been two cases in recent memory in Mayo where i'm from where someone with paranoid schizophrenia have murdered people and the same has happened where the verdict was done very quickly.

marieholmfan

ollkiller wrote: »

Seemingly so. There's been two cases in recent memory in Mayo where i'm from where someone with paranoid schizophrenia have murdered people and the same has happened where the verdict was done very quickly.

It's a long sentence in the Central Mental Hospital by the way. He is very unlikely to spend less time in custody than he would have if convicted.

The_Kew_Tour

Hmmm. Amazing how this was not picked up well before now in his Home Country or even when he came along the road to here.

Boggles

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hmmm. Amazing how this was not picked up well before now in his Home Country or even when he came along the road to here.

And you are qualified to make that statement based on your in dept knowledge of the Egyptian Health System?

Graces7

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hmmm. Amazing how this was not picked up well before now in his Home Country or even when he came along the road to here.

Maybe read re the nature and manifestations of this illness; and look at health care resources where he came from. Ireland is more au fait and skilled, clearly. Wonder how many really sick folk were executed in times gone by too

Fr_Dougal

Very strange story.

Det Insp Martin Beggy told the jury that when arrested following the stabbings Mr Morei shouted: “I’m from Syria”, banged a table and repeatedly shouted “Isis” and “Daesh”, another word used to describe the Islamic State.
The accused said, “yes” when asked if he represented Isis but later said he did not represent anybody. He then said that he killed Mr Sasaki “for God”.

Insp Beggy said he was satisfied that Mr Morei was born in Egypt and travelled to Europe and then the UK where he applied for asylum. He then went to Belfast where he came into contact with the PSNI and was arrested. He moved to Dundalk in December 2017 and gardarought him to Dublin the following month to process his asylum application. He returned to Dundalk on January 2nd by bus and stabbed Mr Sasaki the next morning.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

I think ‘not guilty by reason of insanity’ is not an easy verdict to secure. And he’ll be sectioned for a long time probably. Can’t schizophrenia develop in one’s 20s with no sign of it beforehand?

bigroad

The UK got rid of him and now we have to look after him for god knows how long.

Fr_Dougal

bigroad wrote: »

The UK got rid of him and now we have to look after him for god knows how long.

It’s a pity we can’t send him back to Egypt, let them deal with their own sh1t.

Bobblehats

If he’s so paranoid delusional death by samurai would be the honourable thing. Put him out of his schizopathy

various artistes

The interesting thing is this.

After initial reports at the time that the attacker had shouted Islamist slogans, the Gardai denied this, and denied there was a terrorist link, somewhere around 24 hours after the incident.

There was no terrorist link in terms that Morei was likely not in direct contact with a controller in Syria. He was not a member of any group and was not sent to Ireland with orders to carry out an attack.

In essence, he was like 98 percent of attackers where the attack is ruled to have been an ISIS attack. Franchised, DIY terrorism, not following orders but rather following the general call to arms.

The Gardai, under orders from the ministry of justice, lied to the media.

NOBODY who drives a car into a crowd, or knifes strangers, while shouting about Allah, is the full shilling. Nobody. This verdict is utterly fraudulent. Mental illness would be to start stabbing friends at a house party while shouting allahu akbar. Not doing so to strangers on the street.

This tool should be in prison, but it's more politically expedient for him to be forgotten in the hospital system.

Assetbacked

Bobblehats wrote: »

If he’s so paranoid delusional death by samurai would be the honourable thing. Put him out of his schizopathy

It is not fair to those of us who contribute tax money which funds detention of such an individual. This suggestion is not outrageous in that context.

Sardonicat

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I think ‘not guilty by reason of insanity’ is not an easy verdict to secure. And he’ll be sectioned for a long time probably. Can’t schizophrenia develop in one’s 20s with no sign of it beforehand?

Yup. Late teens to early 20s. Happened to a friend of mine. Heartbreaking.

Beechwoodspark

Scum of the earth.

Calhoun

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a pity we can’t send him back to Egypt, let them deal with their own sh1t.

Indeed this is exactly what we should do but you know how it is, it ain't happening.

Victor

various artistes wrote: »

This tool should be in prison, but it's more politically expedient for him to be forgotten in the hospital system.

The Central Mental Hospital is essentially a prison.

various artistes

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Scum of the earth.

That reminds me.


On the day of the attack I distinctly remember Ruth Coppinger sharing a negative article about the catholic church.

The church are kunts, but that this weapon was so embarrassed at reports that a member of the chosen faith had ran amok in Dundalk roaring allah akbar, that she immediately needed to not only not comment on the attack, but remind the people of Ireland that a religious sect that hasn't wielded any real power since the late 80's were awful bastards way back when.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

. Wonder how many really sick folk were executed in times gone by too

i wonder why its not a better answer tbh

anyway, two consultants agreed with each other, case closed.

jesus i hope if someone stabbed me up on a whim some day that somebody would find a consultant to plead on my behalf, at least make a match of it.

various artistes

Victor wrote: »

The Central Mental Hospital is essentially a prison.

Hardly. It's a secure treatment facility, not a place of punishment. This prick would get eaten alive in a real prison.

splinter65

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Scum of the earth.

Absolutely. Mental illness doesn’t exist. Just people looking for notice.

ThunbergsAreGo

marieholmfan wrote: »

It's a long sentence in the Central Mental Hospital by the way. He is very unlikely to spend less time in custody than he would have if convicted.

I hope so, a person is dead

horseofstone

splinter65 wrote: »

Absolutely. Mental illness doesn’t exist. Just people looking for notice.

That's an ignorant comment, the man was clearly mentally ill and deserves to be put into the CMH for treatment.

Bobblehats

Well one thing for certain in Ireland you can always find a caring home. No matter the method

bigroad

Did he only slip into this mental illness when he crossed the border into southern Ireland.

various artistes

horseofstone wrote: »

That's an ignorant comment, the man was clearly mentally ill and deserves to be put into the CMH for treatment.

Anyone who commits murder- suicide furthering a political and legal system based on conversations a man claims he had with a God in a Saudi cave 1500 years ago is a bit loopy.

By that logic, if they had been caught before they carried out the attack, should the 9/11 attackers have been sent to a mental home, or prison?

Crashing yourself into buildings because you believe it is right is hardly full shilling behavior, is it.

Boggles

splinter65 wrote: »

Absolutely. Mental illness doesn’t exist. Just people looking for notice.

I think you just conclusively proved it with your comment.

malinheader

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a pity we can’t send him back to Egypt, let them deal with their own sh1t.

Truth be known he should of probably been sent back long before the murder act was committed.

Mules

various artistes wrote: »

Anyone who commits murder- suicide furthering a political and legal system based on conversations a man claims he had with a God in a Saudi cave 1500 years ago is a bit loopy.

By that logic, if they had been caught before they carried out the attack, should the 9/11 attackers have been sent to a mental home, or prison?

Crashing yourself into buildings because you believe it is right is hardly full shilling behavior, is it.

Research schizophrenia, it's a teensy bit different than believing in God:rolleyes:

Mules

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Scum of the earth.

Look up what paranoid schizophrenia is. It's about the only mental illness that merits the insanity defence. It does because it's such a serious illness. Back when people were routinely executed for lesser crimes than murder, people with this illness weren't held criminally responsible.

This judgement wouldn't have been given if he had any understanding of what he was doing. This isn't a case of someone being let off easy because they were anxious and a bit depressed.

Mules

Deleted User wrote: »

i wonder why its not a better answer tbh

anyway, two consultants agreed with each other, case closed.

jesus i hope if someone stabbed me up on a whim some day that somebody would find a consultant to plead on my behalf, at least make a match of it.

It's not a better answer because the person is judged not guilty by reason of insanity when that person is unaware of their actions or the effects of their actions. Executing them would be like executing someone with a severe intellectual disability.

pjohnson

Mules wrote: »

Executing them would be like executing someone with a severe intellectual disability.

Thats something the whistlers in CA/IMHO would love tbf.

Fr_Dougal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a pity we can’t send him back to Egypt, let them deal with their own sh1t.

This is a quote from you from a few weeks back regarding Lisa Smith.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Nope. Let her stay where she is.

Boggles

:pac:

Salary Negotiator

He’s a humpy bastard and hopefully spends a lot of time locked up somewhere.

Fr_Dougal

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a quote from you from a few weeks back regarding Lisa Smith.

It surely is. And now that she has been brought back to Ireland I’m bewildered as to why we can’t do likewise and export these pieces of sh1t back to where they came from.

Beechwoodspark

Mules wrote: »

Look up what paranoid schizophrenia is. It's about the only mental illness that merits the insanity defence. It does because it's such a serious illness. Back when people were routinely executed for lesser crimes than murder, people with this illness weren't held criminally responsible.

This judgement wouldn't have been given if he had any understanding of what he was doing. This isn't a case of someone being let off easy because they were anxious and a bit depressed.

To be honest I don’t care what illness he has or hasn’t.

No interest.

He shouldn’t be in this country in the first place.

My solution is to land him back to the pyramids let them deal with him.

Boggles

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It surely is. And now that she has been brought back to Ireland I’m bewildered as to why we can’t do likewise and export these pieces of sh1t back to where they came from.

Do you think all people with chronic mental health issues are "pieces of sh1t"?

Big fan of Eugenics, yes?

Irish Guitarist

During the trial two consultant psychiatrists gave evidence that Mr Morei was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia at the time and did not know that what he was doing was wrong and was unable to refrain from his actions.

Any terrorist that kills someone thinks they're doing the right thing.

Fr_Dougal

Boggles wrote: »

Do you think all people with chronic mental health issues are "pieces of sh1t"?

Big fan of Eugenics, yes?

I think that people who murder innocent people are pieces of sh1t.

I also think that if the victim was Irish this little piece of sh1t wouldn’t have gotten away as lightly.

Irish Guitarist

It's terrible the way people are insulting this poor murderer. He was found mentally ill in court after all and I think we can all agree that courts in Ireland are perfect and should never be questioned.

Boggles

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think that people who murder innocent people are pieces of sh1t.

I also think that if the victim was Irish this little piece of sh1t wouldn’t have gotten away as lightly.

That's just your racist heart beating fast though isn't it?

Anyway 2 seconds on Google.

Your welcome.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1023/1085153-courts-mother/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/parents-hit-out-at-mental-health-services-after-random-killing-of-only-son-1.3951670?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fcourts%2Fcriminal-court%2Fparents-hit-out-at-mental-health-services-after-random-killing-of-only-son-1.3951670

rafatoni

Genuine question though. Why dont we deport him back to his own country to a institution there?

Fr_Dougal

Boggles wrote: »

That's just your racist heart beating fast though isn't it?

Anyway 2 seconds on Google.

Your welcome.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1023/1085153-courts-mother/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/parents-hit-out-at-mental-health-services-after-random-killing-of-only-son-1.3951670?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fcourts%2Fcriminal-court%2Fparents-hit-out-at-mental-health-services-after-random-killing-of-only-son-1.3951670

Can you please explain how the fvck I’m a racist? Are you high?

Boggles

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Can you please explain how the fvck I’m a racist? Are you high?

The 2 victims in the links are Irish.

You still sticking with your "theory"?

antix80

Not guilty by way of adherence to islam.

AlekSmart

horseofstone wrote: »

That's an ignorant comment, the man was clearly mentally ill and deserves to be put into the CMH for treatment.

It's worth noting that this individuals has been remanded to the CMH whilst an ongoing treatment plan is put together for him.

Should this treatment plan be successful,the redoubtable Mr Morei must then be allowed walk free,no if's,but's or maybe's...in the eyes of the Law he will be free to leave the CMH.

I see no mention of the State having entered any other "holding" charges to deal with such a situation,so we must assume that there is at least a chance of the Ongoing Treatment Plan actually curing this individual,thus allowing him to become a normal contributing member of our Western Society.

So,it's actually a question of how long this man's condition continues to satisfy the Professional Mental Health staff of the CMH.

My simplistic mind is far more struck with the sentiments of the murdered mans Sister...

Following the verdict, the deceased's older sister Shiori Sasaki in a written statement said she cannot understand, "why a mentally unstable foreign national, whose origin was unknown, was allowed to be in the town."

She said the killer Mohamed Morei (21) had his rights protected but her brother Yosuke Sasaki was deprived of his human rights. "It is truly infuriating and will forever be unforgivable," Ms Sasaki said.

There appeared to be nobody from Official Ireland present in Court to even attempt to answer Ms Sasaki's simple,yet pertinent question.

Quite what the cost of this individual's "Ongoing Treatment Plan" will eventually be is unknown,however what we do know is that Mental Health Services to other,obviously less important,Citizens of this State are not in a good state.

The entire sorry spectacle is perhaps best summed up in the final line of the article....

Mr Morei (21), of no fixed abode, was found not guilty by reason of insanity of the murder of Yosuke Sasaki (24) at Long Avenue, Dundalk, Co Louth on January 3, 2018. He was also found not guilty by reason of insanity of assaulting Mr Grehan and Mr Murphy causing them harm on the same day at Quay Street and Inner Relief Road in Dundalk. The same verdict was returned for a charge of criminal damage to a car and of robbery by trespassing and committing criminal damage between January 2 and 3, 2018. The jury spent 24 minutes considering their verdicts.

Beechwoodspark

Go home boggle you’re drunk/high/mentally incapacitated.