Traded car yesterday, garage rang today to say head gasket is gone

The high horse brigade

I did a deal last Saturday and traded my 132 car to a main dealer. He took it for a spin, brought it to a local independent dealer to make an evaluation, came back and said it was a lively powerful car in great condition and then he made me an offer on trade in against a 162 car. I immediately put a deposit on the car and then completed the deal yesterday evening (Tue) settling the balance by bank draft. Today the garage rang to say the local dealer has brought the car back saying the head gasket or water pump was gone, that it was pissing out coolant. I said the car was perfect when I dropped it off. He mentioned on the phone that he was holding the rf100 form for me to look and see my old car pissing out coolant. I have receipts, warranty forms and car breakdown cover documents for the new car. What is the situation here?

Atlantic Dawn

Surely it's between the main dealer and independent dealer to come to an arrangement, you traded it in good faith.

Have you collected the new car? Do you know if the ownership has transferred to you?

Stanford

Your deal is with the main dealer and not the independant dealer, engage your Solicitor

The high horse brigade

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Surely it's between the main dealer and independent dealer to come to an arrangement, you traded it in good faith.

Have you collected the new car? Do you know if the ownership has transferred to you?

Yes I have the new car outside. How do I check if ownership has transferred? It was UK reg they cleared vrt on it, has Irish plates when I collected

Stanford

Can you clarify WHO you actually sold the car to?

You drove the car into the dealership, he accepted the car and took your money. Not your problem anymore.

The high horse brigade

Stanford wrote: »

Can you clarify WHO you actually sold the car to?

I sold the car to the main dealer, the draft was made out to them and I have receipts from them

jj880

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yes I have the new car outside. How do I check if ownership has transferred? It was UK reg they cleared vrt on it, has Irish plates when I collected

Might be worth a check:
https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/changeOwnership.do

Stanford

Then you have no contract with anybody else, see your Solicitor

The high horse brigade

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You drove the car into the dealership, he accepted the car and took your money. Not your problem anymore.

That's what I though and am being told elsewhere, I just want to be absolutely certain to ease my mind as it's bothering me

Stanford

Stop fretting and hand the matter over to your Solicitor to put it to bed

Stanford

And do not entertain any contact from the "local independent dealer", he is not your problem

Always Tired

Sucks to be them, you're away on holidays til sometime in January, you'll call them when you get back. Between now and then the gasket be grand

The high horse brigade

jj880 wrote: »

Might be worth a check:
https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/changeOwnership.do

I get this

No Changes notified in the last 3 months
and
No Vehicle Registration Certificate issued in the last: 3months

Edit, that doesn't mean it wasn't posted, I'll keep an eye

Stanford

Why are you still making this your problem?

Atlantic Dawn

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I get this

No Changes notified in the last 3 months
and
No Vehicle Registration Certificate issued in the last: 3months

Edit, that doesn't mean it wasn't posted, I'll keep an eye

Main dealers usually have an online facility to register the car to you, they can do it there and then after the sale completes, it could take a day or 2 for this to show up online, then new cert in your name is issued and you get it in the post.

sweetie

Why would he need to engage a solicitor at this stage. Don't waste your money, let them cool down and realise they are screwed

The high horse brigade

Stanford wrote: »

Why are you still making this your problem?

I want to know if I'll have to jump through hoops or contact my solicitor to get the log book for this new car

Odelay

Tell him that’s unfortunate but not your problem.

Stanford

It may be that the dealer is trying to frustrate the sale by not registering the change of ownership

Stanford

sweetie wrote: »

Why would he need to engage a solicitor at this stage. Don't waste your money, let them cool down and realise they are screwed

They are not "screwed", no evidence that OP did not act in good faith

ba_barabus

OP, contact Shannon and ask them directly if the car was put into your name or if any logbook has been issued for the car. If not ask them for a Statutory Declaration form to put it into your name.

Tell them you bought it but no logbook was present and you don't know who the previous owner is.

Incidentaly, what Main Dealer brand behaves like this? This doesn't sound like normal main dealer behaviour.

sweetie

Stanford wrote: »

They are not "screwed", no evidence that OP did not act in good faith

I was talking about the garage not the OP.

pablo128

Is the car taxed?

The high horse brigade

pablo128 wrote: »

Is the car taxed?

Not yet

Stanford

sweetie wrote: »

I was talking about the garage not the OP.

I know, so how exactly did OP "screw" the garage?

pablo128

ba_barabus wrote: »

Incidentaly, what Main Dealer brand behaves like this? This doesn't sound like normal main dealer behaviour.

The type of main dealer who sees nothing wrong with importing used cars and presumably selling them on at full whack.

ba_barabus

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Not yet

If the car is VRT'd, you won't get a taxbook until you tax it. It's entirely possible the dealer has registered it in your name and is currently talking sh!t.

ba_barabus

pablo128 wrote: »

The type of main dealer who sees nothing wrong with importing used cars and presumably selling them on at full whack.

Normally speaking a main dealer wouldn't get up to the dirty tricks mentioned here.

pablo128

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Not yet

That's why there's no change of ownership. Go online and tax it using the last 6 digits of the chassis number as the pin number. Then you will receive the book in a few days in your name.

Stanford

pablo128 wrote: »

That's why there's no change of ownership. Go online and tax it using the last 6 digits of the chassis number as the pin number. Then you will receive the book in a few days in your name.

Incorrect, the Sellor initiates the transfer of sale for a second hand vehicle, not the Purchaser

ba_barabus

Stanford wrote: »

Incorrect, the Sellor initiates the transfer of sale for a second hand vehicle, not the Purchaser

Not when the vrt has just been paid. Its possible it was registered in the ops name already. You have to tax it to get the logbook

pablo128

Stanford wrote: »

Incorrect, the Sellor initiates the transfer of sale for a second hand vehicle, not the Purchaser

An imported car is not registered to anyone until it is taxed for the first time. The new owner can't drive it until it is taxed. So therefore I see nothing wrong with him taxing it in his name. It's his car unless you know something I don't?

Stanford

ba_barabus wrote: »

Not when the vrt has just been paid. Its possible it was registered in the ops name already. You have to tax it to get the logbook

True, OP has glossed over this point, was it registered in his/her name already, was he/she driving it with or without tax before it was sold?

Stanford

A complaint (or threat of complaint) to SIMI might sort it out?

https://www.simi.ie/en/consumer-help/complaints-service

TheRiverman

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I did a deal last Saturday and traded my 132 car to a main dealer. He took it for a spin, brought it to a local independent dealer to make an evaluation, came back and said it was a lively powerful car in great condition and then he made me an offer on trade in against a 162 car. I immediately put a deposit on the car and then completed the deal yesterday evening (Tue) settling the balance by bank draft. Today the garage rang to say the local dealer has brought the car back saying the head gasket or water pump was gone, that it was pissing out coolant. I said the car was perfect when I dropped it off. He mentioned on the phone that he was holding the rf100 form for me to look and see my old car pissing out coolant. I have receipts, warranty forms and car breakdown cover documents for the new car. What is the situation here?

Just wondering why a main dealer would take a car to a "local independent"dealer for evaluation ? Sounds dodgy.

adam88

Tell them go scratch. That’s their problem he checked the car out, that’s why he did it to make sure he was buying a new car. I wouldn’t even entertain him and if he is still holding the registration threaten him with complaint to SIMI and solicitor.

He’s some bloody chancer

Stanford

pablo128 wrote: »

An imported car is not registered to anyone until it is taxed for the first time. The new owner can't drive it until it is taxed. So therefore I see nothing wrong with him taxing it in his name. It's his car unless you know something I don't?

To follow your logic, who decided it was a "132 car"?

The high horse brigade

ba_barabus wrote: »

Not when the vrt has just been paid. Its possible it was registered in the ops name already. You have to tax it to get the logbook

It was already in my name. I just taxed it online. Happy days!

Thanks all for your help

Stanford

adam88 wrote: »

Tell them go scratch. That’s their problem he checked the car out, that’s why he did it to make sure he was buying a new car. I wouldn’t even entertain him and if he is still holding the registration threaten him with complaint to SIMI and solicitor.

He’s some bloody chancer

When is a "132 car" a "new" car?

_Brian

Have to say the first thing I would do is stop answering the phone to them.

Sit tight and see what happens over the next few days, your reg fert may just arrive once it’s processed.

If it hasn’t arrived in a few weeks I’d them be getting a solicitor onto the issue.

The big thing here is there is absolutely no reason you should be talking to them about this, it’s their problem

ba_barabus

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It was already in my name. I just taxed it online. Happy days!

Thanks all for your help

Result.

ba_barabus

Stanford wrote: »

A complaint (or threat of complaint) to SIMI might sort it out?

https://www.simi.ie/en/consumer-help/complaints-service

SIMI LOL

pablo128

Stanford wrote: »

To follow your logic, who decided it was a "132 car"?

What the hell are you on about?

Stanford

You said correctly "An imported car is not registered to anyone until it is taxed for the first time.", the OP did not buy a new car so I don't see your point

michellie

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It was already in my name. I just taxed it online. Happy days!

Thanks all for your help

That's great, the log book will be posted out to you now too!

bazz26

Main dealers selling to smaller independent dealers usually means it's sold as a trade sale. Normally there would be no comeback between the dealers with a trade sale so it's a bizarre story from the main dealer about the independent dealer returning. I'd say most likely the independent dealer had a better look over it or test drive of the car before buying it and told the main dealer who realized they bought a pup without fully checking it over.

My guess is that the sales person at the main dealer who took the car as part exchange, probably got a rap on the knuckles from his/her boss and is trying to undo the hit they will have to take on the car by contacting the OP in hope they panic. Reality is they have no real grounds to demand the OP reverse the deal as they being in the business of buying and selling vehicles, should have done proper due diligence and checked the car over before agreeing to buy it. The OP can probably forget about ever darkening the main dealer's door with a warranty issue though.

iamtony

The problem happened after the sale. It's not like you were hiding a problem so just bad luck on their part. The majority of the cost of repair will be from their potential profit so don't loose any sleep.
If it happened before you sold it it would cost you a lot more and it would of been out of your pocket. Dealers put aside a few hundred from every sale towards warranty and this is basically the same as warranty. What I mean is if the car you bought had the same problem this is the pot they would of took the money from they won't be letting people go because of this but if you took tmit back them you would be dealing with potential financial hardship so honestly don't sweat it, and legally I'm sure you are absolutely fine.

mickdw

Could be a low down trick to put you off returning for repair of some known issue on the new car such as a returning engine management light that he just cleared to get it out the door.
Unlikely though seeing as it's a 16 car from a main dealer.

kravmaga

How could the main gasket go on a 132 reg car which you traded into main dealer? Sounds strange.

Name and shame the main dealer, they dont sound very professional.

Have no more contact with them, it's their issue now not yours

Millionaire only not

kravmaga wrote: »

How could the main gasket go on a 132 reg car which you traded into main dealer? Sounds strange.

Name and shame the main dealer, they dont sound very professional.

Have no more contact with them, it's their issue now not yours

What kind of talk is how could the main gasket be gone on a 132 car !
He never said the mileage , it could have 300k miles on it , it’s 6 years old might not have been serviced .
Over heated at some stage from leak who knows !
Reps cars in England and I presume here they don’t service any more , drive the **** out of them and get rid more than likely to some mug this side of the ocean !