Gaming PC for my son

asgaard

Hi all


I'm planning to build up gaming rig for my son. I've ordered Cooler Master MasterCase H500 already, but need some help with the rest

1. What is your budget? [€600]


2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? [Gaming]

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [No]

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? [No as I don't have it)

5. Do you need a monitor? [No]

5a. If yes, what size do you need. [19'/20'/22'/24'/etc.]

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? [1920x1080/1440x900/etc.] 24" FHD [No]

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? [Keyboard/Mouse -I might organize myself with a bit of help of boardies users]

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? [No]

8. How can you pay? [Credit Card/Laser]

9. When are you purchasing? [I will do my best to have it ready for Christmas]

I was thinking to stick with Intel Core i5 8th generation, but to cut a cost I will go for AMD Ryzen processors, I was planning to get 2x8GB DDR4 RAM, 4GB (or 8GB) graphic card, MSI/Gigabyte/Asus motherboard (with RGB/illumination), 256GB 2.5" ssd drive and 2TB 3.5" hard disk drive. Also power supply-750W??



Thanks in advance

MRTULES

I know someone else would be better placed to advise you but if you look through the other treads there are plenty of similar spec builds.

The rysen 5 2600 gets good comments for its bang for buck.
You probably shouldn't need that high a psu either.
Not sure about the HDDs as the price of SSDs is pretty good. Saw a good few 1tb ssds for sub 100 euro.

asgaard

Quick update:

Few days back Cooler MasterCase H500 has been delivered and now I'm waiting for MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC motherboard to be delivered as well.
Question here: does Corsair RM850 Gold would be good option to go for? Will it fit into case?

Thanks

On a Cooler Mastercase website it says Clearance - PSU 180mm/7.1" , what Clearance means?

K.O.Kiki

PSU Clearance: maximum length of PSU that will fit.
RTFM

No you don't need an premium RM850 Gold - most systems will struggle to draw more than 450W.
Something like this Bitfenix Formula Gold is more than sufficient at 2/3rds the price.

Can you please update us on what parts you have left to buy & your remaining budget?
That case & motherboard look like they'd have taken a decent chunk out of the €600.

asgaard

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

PSU Clearance: maximum length of PSU that will fit.
RTFM

No you don't need an premium RM850 Gold - most systems will struggle to draw more than 450W.
Something like this Bitfenix Formula Gold is more than sufficient at 2/3rds the price.

Can you please update us on what parts you have left to buy & your remaining budget?
That case & motherboard look like they'd have taken a decent chunk out of the €600.

I'm still in need of CPU, RAM, graphic card and power supply. I don't know yet about remaining budget, buying some stuff when I get a discount. What you mean by "most systems will struggle to draw more than 450W". 850W would be to much?? The guy on adverts looking for around 80 eu for power supply so don't know buy second hand or brand new. I can go down up to 650W. Looking for powerfull which doesn't gonna take a loads of energy.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3036-how-far-can-450w-get-you-for-a-gaming-pc-wattage

For €80 it's a good deal but I'd only buy if 4yrs+ warranty is left.

asgaard

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3036-how-far-can-450w-get-you-for-a-gaming-pc-wattage

For €80 it's a good deal but I'd only buy if 4yrs+ warranty is left.

The seller stated as a brand new, is there any way of checking it through f.e. Serial Number?

Homelander

You are really overthinking the power supply on a 600 euro budget. You don't need an 850w gold, thats very overkill. The 550w bitfenix linked above would be perfect, you would even be fine with a cheaper supply again.

Let's say your PC is a ryzen 3600 with a gtx1650 super. Even at 100 percent full load the entire pc would only be using about 200w. If you buy a ryzen 3600 and gtx1660, it would still only be about 230w. So you can see how talk of 650 and 850 watt power supplies is pointless waste of money on a limited budget.

asgaard

Homelander wrote: »

You are really overthinking the power supply on a 600 euro budget. You don't need an 850w gold, thats very overkill. The 550w bitfenix linked above would be perfect, you would even be fine with a cheaper supply again.

Let's say your PC is a ryzen 3600 with a gtx1650 super. Even at 100 percent full load the entire pc would only be using about 200w. If you buy a ryzen 3600 and gtx1660, it would still only be about 230w. So you can see how talk of 650 and 850 watt power supplies is pointless waste of money on a limited budget.

I think I will get AMD Ryzen 2600x and at least 4 GB DDR5 graphic card.

Homelander

A Ryzen 2600 is fine, if you can afford it I would get a gtx1660 super, cheapest ones are £199 and great cards for the money. But even a 2600X + 1660 super would only use 250w power at worst.

It seems though you have made really strange choices with your parts. The motherboard you chose is crazy expensive for a budget build, would have been much better off spending half as much on a motherboard and putting the savings into a better graphics card.

eg your motherboard + Ryzen 2600X versus cheaper board + Ryzen 3600 = same price, but Ryzen 3600 is way faster in games.

Or else could be the difference between an ok graphics card (gtx1650 super 4gb) or a really good graphics card (gtx1660 super 6gb)

asgaard

Homelander wrote: »

A Ryzen 2600 is fine, if you can afford it I would get a gtx1660 super, cheapest ones are £199 and great cards for the money. But even a 2600X + 1660 super would only use 250w power at worst.

It seems though you have made really strange choices with your parts. The motherboard you chose is crazy expensive for a budget build, would have been much better off spending half as much on a motherboard and putting the savings into a better graphics card.

eg your motherboard + Ryzen 2600X versus cheaper board + Ryzen 3600 = same price, but Ryzen 3600 is way faster in games.

Or else could be the difference between an ok graphics card (gtx1650 super 4gb) or a really good graphics card (gtx1660 super 6gb)

I bought mobo on Amazon around 25 eu cheaper than advertised price + free shipping.

In your opinion which power supply do I have to take into account? If I gonna put a limit up to 60 eu for 600W would be ok? Looking for efficient and power saver
Corsair VS550 550 W Active PFC 80 PLUS -that one seems to be cheap on Amazon.

K.O.Kiki

Corsair CX series, not VS.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020101-UK-CX450M-Bronze-Certified/dp/B01C3FFOHS/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=atx+power+supply&qid=1576243887&refinements=p_36%3A-5200&rnid=428432031&s=computers&sr=1-11
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020121-UK-CX550-Bronze-Supply/dp/B06WW51XBX/ref=sr_1_30?keywords=atx%2Bpower%2Bsupply&qid=1576243921&refinements=p_36%3A-5200&rnid=428432031&s=computers&sr=1-30&th=1

or be Quiet System Power 9
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Be-Quiet-System-Semi-Modular-Bearing/dp/B07V8RNCH6/ref=sr_1_23?keywords=be+quiet+power+supply&qid=1576244067&s=computers&sr=1-23
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B079KBPXZJ/ref=sr_1_6?s=computers&keywords=be+quiet+power+supply&qid=1576244067&sr=1-6

Cooler Master MWE Bronze
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Bronze-Power-Supply/dp/B074ZQXBHX/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=mwe+bronze&qid=1576244291&sr=8-1

asgaard

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Corsair CX series, not VS.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020101-UK-CX450M-Bronze-Certified/dp/B01C3FFOHS/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=atx+power+supply&qid=1576243887&refinements=p_36%3A-5200&rnid=428432031&s=computers&sr=1-11
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020121-UK-CX550-Bronze-Supply/dp/B06WW51XBX/ref=sr_1_30?keywords=atx%2Bpower%2Bsupply&qid=1576243921&refinements=p_36%3A-5200&rnid=428432031&s=computers&sr=1-30&th=1

or be Quiet System Power 9
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Be-Quiet-System-Semi-Modular-Bearing/dp/B07V8RNCH6/ref=sr_1_23?keywords=be+quiet+power+supply&qid=1576244067&s=computers&sr=1-23
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B079KBPXZJ/ref=sr_1_6?s=computers&keywords=be+quiet+power+supply&qid=1576244067&sr=1-6

Cooler Master MWE Bronze
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Bronze-Power-Supply/dp/B074ZQXBHX/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=mwe+bronze&qid=1576244291&sr=8-1

What's the difference between fixed and semi-modular cables? Which of these guys are the most common to purchase and energy efficient?

K.O.Kiki

No difference other than ease-of-installation / hiding cables.

asgaard

Corsair Rm850 (2018), DDR4 RAM - Corsair Vengeance 3200mhz (2x8GB) RGB, secondhand - 100 eu for power supply and RAM would be a good deal or better go for brand new? Is it any good power supply RM850?

M00lers

100 euro for both is a great deal IMO. PSU is probably a few years old though but I'd be happy enough to chance it.

asgaard

M00lers wrote: »

100 euro for both is a great deal IMO. PSU is probably a few years old though but I'd be happy enough to chance it.

The seller stated that power supply is brand new, but still thinking do I need so much power as PC will take around 550W as I've looked on pc partpicker website.

M00lers

asgaard wrote: »

The seller stated that power supply is brand new, but still thinking do I need so much power as PC will take around 550W as I've looked on pc partpicker website.

You absolutely don't need that much power but to have your RAM and PSU sorted for €100 is a no brainer IMO.

z0oT

Just to add to what the others have said in terms of the PSU size - I did some power measurements on my system (3700X & 5700XT) at the wall, that might be of interest.

I have a 450W PSU, but the numbers suggested I could actually get away with less.

See the below post:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111187958&postcount=3938

Homelander

It really depends on the value you put on brand new items and having a warranty. I agree it is a good deal but I would not say it's a no brainer either.

You can get a decent 550w and 16gb ram new for about €130. Ram prices have dropped massively. Obviously not as good a model as an rm850 power supply wise but perfectly fine, and you have full warranty with both. I rarely buy anything second hand for this reason personally, if something fails it's a write off. But yes again at 100 for both it's a good deal.

asgaard

I will keep u lads update when I get one of the computer parts. I can hold on and purchase brand new with warranty. My son is not in rush to get a gaming computer.

asgaard

Is it worth to buy one year old Corsair RM Series™ RM1000 — 1000 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold for 80 eu? I know better if it's new, but I think it's cheap.

Thanks

No need for a 1000W PSU.

asgaard

Deleted User wrote: »

No need for a 1000W PSU.

Yeah I know, but it's a good price.


Btw. I bought already Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer RGB, 3200MHz (2x16GB, DDR4).

Shiminay

It's not a good price if it's waaaay over the odds for what you need though - it's like buying a second hand super car when all you really need is a hatchback.

GHOST MGG

asgaard wrote: »

Yeah I know, but it's a good price.


Btw. I bought already Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer RGB, 3200MHz (2x16GB, DDR4).

if i am following this thread correctly,you have bought the above ram without having bought the motherboard yet?..putting the cart before the horse in my humble opinion,you will need to make sure the ballistix ram is on the motherboards recommended ram list,as some xmp profiles are unstable with certain ram,and you would have to go down the manual timings route.

K.O.Kiki

GHOST MGG wrote: »

if i am following this thread correctly,you have bought the above ram without having bought the motherboard yet?..putting the cart before the horse in my humble opinion,you will need to make sure the ballistix ram is on the motherboards recommended ram list,as some xmp profiles are unstable with certain ram,and you would have to go down the manual timings route.

AMD Zen has the memory controller on the CPU, not the motherboard.

Samuel T. Cogley

I've run across incompatible RAM due to it not being on the vendor list with a 2600 and ASRock board.

GHOST MGG

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I've run across incompatible RAM due to it not being on the vendor list with a 2600 and ASRock board.

As have i on a few occasions building machines..last time it was with a rog maximus hero xi board where the corsair ram just caused instability in the system using both xmp profiles for that ram..I had to manually set timings for system to be stable..something i would not recommend a "novice" to do.

The Corsair Vengeance RAM i had kept giving me a BSOD on this X570. Swapped it out for Predator and it resolved it.

asgaard

GHOST MGG wrote: »

if i am following this thread correctly,you have bought the above ram without having bought the motherboard yet?..putting the cart before the horse in my humble opinion,you will need to make sure the ballistix ram is on the motherboards recommended ram list,as some xmp profiles are unstable with certain ram,and you would have to go down the manual timings route.

I bought the mobo before I purchased the RAM.

asgaard

What do u think guys about AMD Sapphire Radeon RX480 Nitro+ 8 GB for 120 eu (used)- is it worth it of the price?

GHOST MGG

asgaard wrote: »

What do u think guys about AMD Sapphire Radeon RX480 Nitro+ 8 GB for 120 eu (used)- is it worth it of the price?

Not when you can get this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071R7BTJL/ref=psdc_430524031_t1_B01J1J7SKK for 160 new

asgaard

GHOST MGG wrote: »

Not when you can get this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071R7BTJL/ref=psdc_430524031_t1_B01J1J7SKK for 160 new

Any more with discount prices on Amazon UK worth a look? 140 pounds would be my limit. Is that one worth every penny - any reviews, please?


Thanks
Btw. Last December I purchased that mobo MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC Motherboard. Hopefuly RAM will work fine with it.

2ndcoming

GHOST MGG wrote: »

Not when you can get this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071R7BTJL/ref=psdc_430524031_t1_B01J1J7SKK for 160 new

480 is a much better card than the 570 though? It's on a par with the 580. I'd go for the seciond hand one if I'm honest.

GHOST MGG

2ndcoming wrote: »

480 is a much better card than the 570 though? It's on a par with the 580. I'd go for the seciond hand one if I'm honest.

Having personally owned both cards there is maybe 2fps difference between them running 1080 ultra settings if i remember correctly,maybe k.o.kiki can shed some light on this


edit: just found a comparison gpu chart
https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/amd-radeon-rx-480-vs-amd-radeon-rx-570/intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20ghz/

Skerries

how about an RX 580 £144 with free delivery?

Homelander

On a budget and can only afford a lower end card, yet splashing cash around on 1000w psus and 32GB of RAM?

Strangest budget build I've seen in some time....

asgaard

Homelander wrote: »

On a budget and can only afford a lower end card, yet splashing cash around on 1000w psus and 32GB of RAM?

Strangest budget build I've seen in some time....

I haven't spent money on PSU yet

K.O.Kiki

asgaard wrote: »

I haven't spent money on PSU yet

Just buy a Corsair TXM550 Gold: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06WW8G3S8?tag=pcp0f-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

amadablam

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Just buy a Corsair TXM550 Gold: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06WW8G3S8?tag=pcp0f-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Great price for a decent quality psu too.

asgaard

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Just buy a Corsair TXM550 Gold: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06WW8G3S8?tag=pcp0f-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

What about Cooler Master's power supplys ?

Homelander

What exactly have you bought so far? It's just honestly absurd to be spending money on 32GB ram, and then trying to scrape by with a budget GPU.

It is like planning on buying a car, and spending €2k on gold rims and leather seats, and being left with 2K to buy a banger.

asgaard

Homelander wrote: »

What exactly have you bought so far? It's just honestly absurd to be spending money on 32GB ram, and then trying to scrape by with a budget GPU.

It is like planning on buying a car, and spending €2k on gold rims and leather seats, and being left with 2K to buy a banger.

So far I bought mobo, case, RAM (2x8GB). I have a plan to buy graphic card in this week or PSU.

asgaard

Skerries wrote: »

how about an RX 580 £144 with free delivery?

This ones https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-RX-590-8G-OC/dp/B07PHY5K6L/ref=pd_aw_sbs_147_10?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07PHY5K6L&pd_rd_r=8b26077e-2867-43d1-a64b-0c7f3789dbb9&pd_rd_w=zYbJe&pd_rd_wg=xTPhx&pf_rd_p=15216146-4434-47f5-99d9-56240c85bf4d&pf_rd_r=1RSD0Z5KE4CC8B5V3E2N&psc=1&refRID=1RSD0Z5KE4CC8B5V3E2N seems to be better than RX580, am I right?

One more question to ask: better to have 8GB GDDR5 or 4GB GDDR6 ?

2ndcoming

asgaard wrote: »

This ones https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-RX-590-8G-OC/dp/B07PHY5K6L/ref=pd_aw_sbs_147_10?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07PHY5K6L&pd_rd_r=8b26077e-2867-43d1-a64b-0c7f3789dbb9&pd_rd_w=zYbJe&pd_rd_wg=xTPhx&pf_rd_p=15216146-4434-47f5-99d9-56240c85bf4d&pf_rd_r=1RSD0Z5KE4CC8B5V3E2N&psc=1&refRID=1RSD0Z5KE4CC8B5V3E2N seems to be better than RX580, am I right?

One more question to ask: better to have 8GB GDDR5 or 4GB GDDR6 ?

590 is basically a souped up 4/580, it's the best of that line overall.

On the VRAM I'm not 100% but I'd imagine 8 is better than 4 either way.

Homelander

Better off going for a GTX1660 6gb, it's not much more and a better card. Around £190 new I think.

2ndcoming

This was why I said take the 480 on adverts for 120 or 100 if your man would take it. There's a glut of cards from €180-280 where every ten or twenty quid gets you a bit more.

Just get a cheap one that will do him. If he gets really into it he'll be pushing for a new card by Christmas anyway, if not no loss.

asgaard

What you think guys about Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 6GB ?

TitianGerm

asgaard wrote: »

What you think guys about Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 6GB ?

Where is that being sold and for how much?

asgaard

TitianGerm wrote: »

Where is that being sold and for how much?

Adverts and seller looking 180eu for it.